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Deserter wrote:

skelp wrote: The biggest mistake he made was fighting southpaw.

The biggest mistake Naz made was relying on his God-given talent, not training properly and losing the proverbial 'eye of the tiger', not fighting Southpaw!

If he had relied on his god given, natural talent; he would never have lost. He changed his style to southpaw when he changed his trainer, losing 50% of his ability. He was unbeatable as a switch-hitter.

i am not a Hamed fan. Never really liked the contempt he showed to guys like Robinson, "Thomas Bum", "ugly" Paul Ingle, etc etc... Although I admit after I wanted Robinson to paste him, I started to support him more.
Remember wanting Kevin Kelley to not get blown away by the arrogant Naz....woke up at 4am to listen to 5 Live and when Kelley put him on his ass for the 2nd time I was suddenly like "Come on Naz!!!!!!"

he lost all respect for me after going over a blind hill at speed in the wrong lane. Then subsequently coming out of jail acting all cocky. Then taking a good hammering of Barrera and disappearing.

But I watched him in the interview and I thought he did come across as OK.

However, I was thinking about it last night. Who would go up to the charge of a trainer of the calibre of Freddie Roach, who has spent months getting him ready and working on a game plan, and start telling the boxer what shots to throw and how to throw them. I think that's pretty cocky. I can imagine Naseem Hamed being one of them individuals that just doesn't shut up. I can see a young lad like Khan listening to him while trying to get ready for his fight with his trainer, but being too polite to stop listening and get on with the job in hand, as Naz just bangs on. That's my take on it.

whicker wrote:

landon wrote:cos ur catholic doesnt mean shite muslims do stick toghter end of

I've heard accusations that Catholics "stick to their own" , or tend to favour the company of other Catholics- that simply isn't the case (at least not where I'm from.)

Are you a devout Catholic, do you live your life by the word of the lord, to the letter, unquestioningly? What about those people 'from where your from'?

What does it really mean to be Catholic/Protestant in the UK? Almost all of us will claim to be either Protestant or Catholic, but almost none of us will live our lives in the manner beffiting of a devout religious follower. Yet so many seem to think they know it all and can pass judgement on any aspect of any religion.

ALI wrote:

whicker wrote:

landon wrote:cos ur catholic doesnt mean shite muslims do stick toghter end of

I've heard accusations that Catholics "stick to their own" , or tend to favour the company of other Catholics- that simply isn't the case (at least not where I'm from.)

Are you a devout Catholic, do you live your life by the word of the lord, to the letter, unquestioningly? What about those people 'from where your from'?

What does it really mean to be Catholic/Protestant in the UK? Almost all of us will claim to be either Protestant or Catholic, but almost none of us will live our lives in the manner beffiting of a devout religious follower. Yet so many seem to think they know it all and can pass judgement on any aspect of any religion.

yep. Tend to agree with that. Personally I'm neither but I wasn't raised with it which probably makes a lot of difference. I tend to think do unto others as you would be done unto.
When Columbus went to America and took Christianity with him, do you think they sat them all down and said, let me tell you about Christ you'll love this.....No, they took weapons and "dogs of war"...big fckin fighting dogs that they would attack people with, and MADE them adopt Christianity. Is that right? Not in my opinion.

twenty six wrote:Don't quite get your comment Hitman.
Big headed then ?
Yes - but he could back it up.
Big headed now ?
Yes - but is there anything wrong with that ?

it was a joke tbh.

still fancies himself a bit too much though.

and i do find meself putting the barrera fight on every once in a while.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:he lost all respect for me after going over a blind hill at speed in the wrong lane. Then subsequently coming out of jail acting all cocky

yeah what a twat.

there's a difference between being arrogant and an arsehole.

he behaved like an arsehole in that whole episode.

skelp wrote:

Deserter wrote:

skelp wrote: The biggest mistake he made was fighting southpaw.

The biggest mistake Naz made was relying on his God-given talent, not training properly and losing the proverbial 'eye of the tiger', not fighting Southpaw!

If he had relied on his god given, natural talent; he would never have lost. He changed his style to southpaw when he changed his trainer, losing 50% of his ability. He was unbeatable as a switch-hitter.

What a load of nonsense. Speak to any top-class trainer or boxer and they will all tell you that history is littered with those who had natural talent but didn't have the application to make the most of it. Talent is only one part of the equation and is you haven't got the will and desire to maximise it you'll fall short. Naz so clearly lost the plot in that regard (as anyone who watched the documentary leading up the Barrera fight knows), and that played a far larger part in his downfall than his stance.
But congrats on noticing the fundamental flaw that no-one has picked up on and managing to measure in percentage terms the effect it had on him

Deserter wrote:
What a load of nonsense. Speak to any top-class trainer or boxer and they will all tell you that history is littered with those who had natural talent but didn't have the application to make the most of it. Talent is only one part of the equation and is you haven't got the will and desire to maximise it you'll fall short. Naz so clearly lost the plot in that regard (as anyone who watched the documentary leading up the Barrera fight knows), and that played a far larger part in his downfall than his stance.
But congrats on noticing the fundamental flaw that no-one has picked up on and managing to measure in percentage terms the effect it had on him

You are so full of it Deserter. Why is it everytime I post you've got to contradict every statement I make. Your just a fkin troll. Grow up!

Hagler2002 wrote:Word is he is been employed as Hatton's nutritionist if Ricky does decide to make a comeback.

Well he might hoover up some of the food at the buffet and stop ricky eating it. Actually, that could prompt a Hatton v Khan fight, they are at the same weight now.

WayoftheCass wrote: Controversial subject and Naz was pretty young at the time but didn't he say "I'm no Paki!" or words to that effect which ruffled a few feathers? I remember it in BM and if memory serves it wasn't that Naz denied that he was Pakistani that annoyed many but the way he said it.

I think the comments from Naz were along the lines of "I'm not Asian, I'm a normal Yorkshire kid."

I'm fairly sure he described himself as a normal Yorkshire kid with the normal Yorkshire accent.

I think the problem was he contrasted his own position with other members of the British-asian communities of the time, which was objected to by someone.

Wales wrote:

MPG wrote:Naz Was and still is a legend,Turned Pro at an early age and blasted away all his opponents.

There will never be another Naz. .

Barrera fans would have something to say about that post.

I was over the moon when MAB retired Naz, his big head and mouth got and still get right on my tits.

I think he was genuinely pleased as he likes Khan, feels a lot in common with him - but more so, than anything, because he's a fellow brother muslim - which means the world to Naz, as you've probably all realised by now.

My favourite fighter of all time and in my opinion one of the most talented. Have never found any other fighter as exciting or indeed funny!

Really wished he had made a comeback.

skelp wrote:

Deserter wrote:
What a load of nonsense. Speak to any top-class trainer or boxer and they will all tell you that history is littered with those who had natural talent but didn't have the application to make the most of it. Talent is only one part of the equation and is you haven't got the will and desire to maximise it you'll fall short. Naz so clearly lost the plot in that regard (as anyone who watched the documentary leading up the Barrera fight knows), and that played a far larger part in his downfall than his stance.
But congrats on noticing the fundamental flaw that no-one has picked up on and managing to measure in percentage terms the effect it had on him

You are so full of it Deserter. Why is it everytime I post you've got to contradict every statement I make. Your just a fkin troll. Grow up!

My apologies. I mistakenly thought a forum was about having debates and different opinions rather than agreeing with everything you say...
I now accept that Naz's decline was down to him becoming a southpaw and agree that he lost approximately 50% of his effectiveness as a fighter through doing so. I'm sure everyone else shares that view and in no way, shape or form believes it can be attributed to his changes in lifestyle and loss of dedication

fist wrote:My favourite fighter of all time and in my opinion one of the most talented. Have never found any other fighter as exciting or indeed funny!

Really wished he had made a comeback.

2009 must have been the first full year he's not actually announced one!

oliverfennell wrote:

fist wrote:My favourite fighter of all time and in my opinion one of the most talented. Have never found any other fighter as exciting or indeed funny!

Really wished he had made a comeback.

2009 must have been the first full year he's not actually announced one!

still got time lol.
If Naz made a comeback now he would get stopped by the first decent lad he fought.

Actually tho if he really went away and boiled down for 9 months I think he would still be very effective. Didn't take a lot of shots.
I would say a lot of it is still there with Naz. Don't see it happenening at all though he's a happy little fatty now with a stack of World Titles to his name.

landon wrote:

banjo wrote:

landon wrote:naz loves amir cos there both asian simple as that.

Really?

Naz is of Yemeni ancestry which is in the Arabian Peninsula, I'm good friends with a girl who is of Syrian ancestry(also the Arabian Peninsula) and she didn't take kindly to being called an Asian.

you no what i mean there both muslims and same religion stick togther like poop u nob

ignorant ass.......great contribution to a thread about two of the best boxers out of the UK in the last 20 years.....

PS Like many on here I was a huge fan, but my lasting memory now is that bloody awful documentary where has was having his hair cut and acting an arse.......and his brothers really made my blood boil, helped ruin his image.

MAB showed him who was better and he couldn't take it.....was clueless in that fight.

Deserter wrote:
I'm sure everyone else shares that view and in no way, shape or form believes it can be attributed to his changes in lifestyle and loss of dedication

How do you know he changed his lifestyle and lost his dedication? Do you know him? Were you around him, judging his every move? Total nonsense, an opinion based of pure fantasy!

Captain Hook wrote: MAB showed him who was better and he couldn't take it.....was clueless in that fight.

MAB is a legend and it was a privelege to see him live in Manchester earlier this year, even though it didn't last long cos of the cut.

Khan was swarming all over him but MAB was never in any trouble whatsoever, he was bobbing and weaving and comfortable, he still would have had every chance in that fight. I think in hindsight it was a lucky thing for Khan, who I admire, that Barrera got cut.

I have not seen loads of Barrera fights, but the way he took on the arrogant Hamed and handed him his ass is a big part of why I like him.

Just going back to Naz, those talking about a comeback do realise he's now 35 and hasn't fought for many years.
Forget about anything else, weight etc, that tells you everything you need to know.
Oh and the several million in the bank !

skelp wrote:

Deserter wrote:
I'm sure everyone else shares that view and in no way, shape or form believes it can be attributed to his changes in lifestyle and loss of dedication

How do you know he changed his lifestyle and lost his dedication? Do you know him? Were you around him, judging his every move? Total nonsense, an opinion based of pure fantasy!

So says a man who:

a) Clearly hasn't watched the Barrera fight documentary

b) Hasn't read the words of people who were either part of or close to Hamed's camp and saw at first-hand the way he changed.

There are a number of people on Boxrec alone who can tell you categorically that it's not pure fantasy.

I have to ask this.... how old are you? It's just that you're genuinely the first person I've encountered in seven years of posting who doesn't feel that Naz's decline was due to his loss of dedication and indulgent lifestyle.

It is entirely possible to hit a point in life when you have enough money to live comfortably for the rest of your life that you never feel the need to get out of bed and put the work in anymore.

You go in, make as much money as you can and get out before you end up stumbling around the ring punch drunk in your mid 30's still believing you can hit the top like a lot of fighters do.

I would qualify that slightly Deserter.
Naz simply began to believe the hype, 100%.
That involved family members in the main wishing to keep everything "in house" and ensuring nothing financially was given away lightly.
He totally under valued the involvement of his mentor, Brendan, and his close friends from the Gym.
The routine that goes into a Boxers prep is vital.
Sadly he only realised that when it was too late.
Brendan worked for gratis for Naz from the age of 8, and deserved every penny he got paid when he hit the big time.
That continuing percentage (had it done so) paled into insignificance value wise when the full impact of going it alone is considered.
Training alone, suddenly realising the crutch that was Brendan was missing, and his pals from the Gym, how can you put a price on that ?
Naz knew it, but put a face on it.
Retrospective review is a wonderful thing, but I often wonder what would have happened had he stayed at Wincobank.

Deserter wrote:

skelp wrote:

Deserter wrote:
I'm sure everyone else shares that view and in no way, shape or form believes it can be attributed to his changes in lifestyle and loss of dedication

How do you know he changed his lifestyle and lost his dedication? Do you know him? Were you around him, judging his every move? Total nonsense, an opinion based of pure fantasy!

So says a man who:

a) Clearly hasn't watched the Barrera fight documentary

b) Hasn't read the words of people who were either part of or close to Hamed's camp and saw at first-hand the way he changed.

There are a number of people on Boxrec alone who can tell you categorically that it's not pure fantasy.

I have to ask this.... how old are you? It's just that you're genuinely the first person I've encountered in seven years of posting who doesn't feel that Naz's decline was due to his loss of dedication and indulgent lifestyle.

x2

If he'd kept the hunger he may have retired unbeaten. In terms of attitude there was a chasm between him and Barrera before their fight, and that chasm grew when it became apparent MAB had the physical and mental tools to do the job as well.

That documentary tells you everything about Naz at that point in his life.

Greedy, self-obsessed, ignorant, arrogant and lazy.....

He got what he deserved in the end. Sad to say, but it's true.

It's a crying shame he never had the strength of character to come back and have another go, retire on a high. That's the way we should have remembered him.

Not as an explosive puncher with bags of charisma who disappeared up his own backside, developed an unhealthy obsession with his religion ('Allahu Akbar' everywhere he bloody went, became like Aaron Pryor with that fecking "Hawk Time" chant), and listened to the wrong people........before ruining a man's life by driving on the wrong side of the road at ?mph and blowing up to cruiserweight....