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I like how , all of a sudden the artfull dodger, Calzaghe, is being used as the bench mark, he was a good super middle who spent most of his career fighting the easy options in his home town.

Sakio bika give him a decent fight(i know the score cards say differently) and Kessler dropped a close decision in Calzaghe's home town, with a broken hand.

So let me get this right, Hopkins must be the ducks guts, still peaking age wise, and a master of all the heavier weghts because he only lost a split points decision to W.B.O Joe in Hopkins' home town?

C'mon, you'll need a better arguement than that to convince me I'm sorry.

dberry wrote:I like how , all of a sudden the artfull dodger, Calzaghe, is being used as the bench mark, he was a good super middle who spent most of his career fighting the easy options in his home town.

Sakio bika give him a decent fight(i know the score cards say differently) and Kessler dropped a close decision in Calzaghe's home town, with a broken hand.

So let me get this right, Hopkins must be the ducks guts, still peaking age wise, and a master of all the heavier weghts because he only lost a split points decision to W.B.O Joe in Hopkins' home town?

C'mon, you'll need a better arguement than that to convince me I'm sorry.

ok so u think green is/was better than calzaghe?...is that what u are actually saying?

Pretty sure he isn't saying anything definitively. Just that there is enough twists, turns and interpretations to not make broad brush statements and then go accusing anyone how disagrees of being a goose.

Stupid argument anyhow. The only way it would be settled is for them to fight, and that isn't going to happen. We will never know.

KO1

Marlin wrote:KO1

nah, green would last until mid rounds. the only way your prediction comes true is if green pressures too much and gets countered by a solid left slap

adamheight wrote:

Marlin wrote:KO1

nah, green would last until mid rounds. the only way your prediction comes true is if green pressures too much and gets countered by a solid left slap

lol thats a good one

adamheight wrote:people seem to be putting too much emphasis on weight and age...the main thing here that will determine this fight is skill, and Hopkins far outweighs green in that department

(waiting for someone to reply that jones was also much more skilled than green but still lost)...

the difference is that Hopkins shows not much evidence of being on the downward slope (he almost beat calzaghe), where as Jones has showed us, even before the green fight, that he is definitely on the downward slope (and hence got battered against calzaghe)

I agree with you Adam, I thought Bernard beat Joe, He is deffinently not on the slide. I think Green has a small Punchers chance. But can see Hopkins easily outboxing Green to a UD.

Toppity has articulated my point for me Adamheight, I'm not saying Green is better than Calzaghe, I believe Green would beat Calzaghe at cruiser and vice verse at super middle but that's just my opinion, this is starting to sound like the "my dad can beat your dad" primary school yard arguement. I admire your passion and patriotism though.

Would Calzaghe beat Mormeck, Bell, Braithwait in his prime? Why didn't he fight James Toney at super middle or Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or Ottke etc. instead of sitting at home fighting locals and Byron Mitchel for local money? Hopkins was 44y.o. when they finaly met.

dberry wrote:Toppity has articulated my point for me Adamheight, I'm not saying Green is better than Calzaghe, I believe Green would beat Calzaghe at cruiser and vice verse at super middle but that's just my opinion, this is starting to sound like the "my dad can beat your dad" primary school yard arguement. I admire your passion and patriotism though.

Would Calzaghe beat Mormeck, Bell, Braithwait in his prime? Why didn't he fight James Toney at super middle or Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or Ottke etc. instead of sitting at home fighting locals and Byron Mitchel for local money? Hopkins was 44y.o. when they finaly met.

That second paragraph made no relevance to anything

adamheight wrote:

Asterix wrote:

toppity wrote: I just added my vote...so now it's six D

jezzamundo wrote:

im actually losing respect for u lot...u seem to know very little about boxing. go back to your wwe forums with that kind of nonsense talk.

hopkins is an alltime great, as if anyones gonna put him into orbit

It's already lost Froch hits harder than Green.... WTF

Edit; I'm deeply offended let alone loosing respect, you could have everyone on this board against me siding with Froch being the Heavy hitter, and i'd still think your full of shitt.
Mate, WHAT ARE YOU ON?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Show me where he even hits as hard as Green's jab, show me the article, footage where the most overarated boxer today hit a machine and it broke F'nDH.

And to answer your question with my original question.....you hate Australian fighters but because you live here i tolerate your incesive bitching about my fellow countrymen.....if you don't like aus boxing you know what you can do mate .... ...!

Thats why i through you a bit of burly

adamheight wrote:

Marlin wrote:KO1

nah, green would last until mid rounds. the only way your prediction comes true is if green pressures too much and gets countered by a solid left slap

Slappy , couldn't knock the fluff of a ducks ass 8) this just keeps getting better.......Adams new years resolution.....I'm going to infiltrate the Aus forum and let them know Aus boxing sucks and British boxing rules.

The whole world knows slappy wouldn't get in the ring with a man who could actually punch....he had plenty of chances to fight good punchers and didn't.

Why does everyone keep reffering to Calzaghes win over Bika....Bika was very Green and young, with maybe 1 big fight behind him.....it shits me when a fighter gets credit for beating a fighter that wasn't ready.

Hounddawg wrote:

adamheight wrote:

Marlin wrote:KO1

nah, green would last until mid rounds. the only way your prediction comes true is if green pressures too much and gets countered by a solid left slap

Slappy , couldn't knock the fluff of a ducks ass 8) this just keeps getting better.......Adams new years resolution.....I'm going to infiltrate the Aus forum and let them know Aus boxing sucks and British boxing rules.

The whole world knows slappy wouldn't get in the ring with a man who could actually punch....he had plenty of chances to fight Green and didn't.

Why does everyone keep reffering to Calzaghes win over Bika....Bika was very Green and young, with maybe 1 big fight behind him.....it shits me when a fighter gets credit for beating a fighter that wasn't ready.

Good point about Bika Hounddawg, Bika gave him a good fight too!

adamheight wrote:

dberry wrote:Toppity has articulated my point for me Adamheight, I'm not saying Green is better than Calzaghe, I believe Green would beat Calzaghe at cruiser and vice verse at super middle but that's just my opinion, this is starting to sound like the "my dad can beat your dad" primary school yard arguement. I admire your passion and patriotism though.

Would Calzaghe beat Mormeck, Bell, Braithwait in his prime? Why didn't he fight James Toney at super middle or Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or Ottke etc. instead of sitting at home fighting locals and Byron Mitchel for local money? Hopkins was 44y.o. when they finaly met.

That second paragraph made no relevance to anything

What i'm saying in the second paragraph is W.B.O. Joe would be in over his head against any world class cruiser, and like it or not, that's exactly what Green now is. What else I'm saying is if Calzaghe was all that then why did he stay the world champion of England and not take on any one of any relavence in their prime once he won the, at least then, lightly rated W.B.O. title? Make sense now?

Further more, Hopkins ten years ago would have punched your man Calzaghe all over the place. And who said age hadn't wearied him?

hopkins vs rjj april las vegas, what a joke

dberry wrote:I like how , all of a sudden the artfull dodger, Calzaghe, is being used as the bench mark, he was a good super middle who spent most of his career fighting the easy options in his home town.

Sakio bika give him a decent fight(i know the score cards say differently) and Kessler dropped a close decision in Calzaghe's home town, with a broken hand.

So let me get this right, Hopkins must be the ducks guts, still peaking age wise, and a master of all the heavier weghts because he only lost a split points decision to W.B.O Joe in Hopkins' home town?

C'mon, you'll need a better arguement than that to convince me I'm sorry.

Calzaghe did fight soft touches, but he also fought Eubank, Kessler & Hopkins. Also, Kessler hurt his hand, but I don't think it was broken. Oh, and Calzaghe hurt his hands in most fights as they were notoriously injury prone.

dberry wrote:Toppity has articulated my point for me Adamheight, I'm not saying Green is better than Calzaghe, I believe Green would beat Calzaghe at cruiser and vice verse at super middle but that's just my opinion, this is starting to sound like the "my dad can beat your dad" primary school yard arguement. I admire your passion and patriotism though.

Would Calzaghe beat Mormeck, Bell, Braithwait in his prime? Why didn't he fight James Toney at super middle or Roy Jones Jr. in his prime or Ottke etc. instead of sitting at home fighting locals and Byron Mitchel for local money? Hopkins was 44y.o. when they finaly met.

Since when did Danny Green beat Mormeck, Bell and Braithwaite?

dberry wrote:What i'm saying in the second paragraph is W.B.O. Joe would be in over his head against any world class cruiser, and like it or not, that's exactly what Green now is.

Green weighed in at around 180 pounds against Jones Jr. He's a good 20 pounds lighter than the cruiserweights you mentioned.

Yes Calzaghe beat Eubank, all be it near the end of a 52 fight pro career, and if you've been following this then you will have noticed I have already addressed his Kessler and Hopkins fights.

Where have I said Green has beaten Mormeck, Bell etc? I've said Calzaghe would be in over his head with a world class cruiser and Danny Green, like all these guys including Calzaghe, is world class and the last time I checked 81 and a half kg's is cruiser weight.

i'm a danny green fan, but the top cruisers r 90kg. thats a fair bit more wack than a 80kg fighter

dberry wrote:Where have I said Green has beaten Mormeck, Bell etc? I've said Calzaghe would be in over his head with a world class cruiser and Danny Green, like all these guys including Calzaghe, is world class and the last time I checked 81 and a half kg's is cruiser weight.

And what I said is that Danny Green is 20 pounds lighter than the top cruiserweights. Green is more a light heavyweight than a cruiserweight, in terms of size.

Fair enough, Asterix and caveman, I do agree with you.

I originally started by saying that if Green fights Hopkins in the future at Greens weight, I think Green would win, what with Hopkins being a natural middle weight for most of his career and 45 going on 46y.o. and all. Then a debate ensued about who would win Green or Calzaghe, I said I thaught Calzaghe would win at super middle but have been trying to illustrate that I think Green would win if they fought at Greens weight.

I've also been trying to point out that I don't think Calzaghe is a great benchmark to use in this instance.

dberry wrote:A few years a go I saw Hopkins fight Echols, I've seen both fights, and if my memory serves me correctly, Echols sat hopkins on his arse a couple of times in one of the fights (please correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think Hopkins is infallable and Green seems to be hitting hard at this weight. This is all academic, however, as this fight probably wont happen, if it does I'd be interested at the odds for Green to win by K.O. That's where my money will be going, if it's good value.

First time they fought Echols was warned for knocking Hopkins down on the break.
Second time they fought Echols had two points deducted for "body slamming" Hopkins. Hopkins went on to KO Echols in the 10th.

Second fight was in 2000. More than a couple of years ago.

Thanks for clarifying this Brute, I watched these fights at the pub a long tima ago, I remember Hopkins climbing up from the canvas. The point I'm trying to make is Hopkins isn't some kind of infallable super hero, immune from a trip to the canvas. This clearly isn't the best example to use, he did, however get dropped twice in a middle weight title fight in 94.

Hounddawg wrote:

adamheight wrote:

Asterix wrote:
im actually losing respect for u lot...u seem to know very little about boxing. go back to your wwe forums with that kind of nonsense talk.

hopkins is an alltime great, as if anyones gonna put him into orbit

It's already lost Froch hits harder than Green.... WTF

Edit; I'm deeply offended let alone loosing respect, you could have everyone on this board against me siding with Froch being the Heavy hitter, and i'd still think your full of shitt.
Mate, WHAT ARE YOU ON?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Show me where he even hits as hard as Green's jab, show me the article, footage where the most overarated boxer today hit a machine and it broke F'nDH.

And to answer your question with my original question.....you hate Australian fighters but because you live here i tolerate your incesive bitching about my fellow countrymen.....if you don't like aus boxing you know what you can do mate .... ...!

Thats why i through you a bit of burly

mate im not even gonna bother getting into this with you..you are far too much of a tool for me to waste my time on

declaration of defeat, lol.

agree 100% with dberry and hounddog.

Let's consider the alternate possibility.

What if Roy beats Bernard? Stranger things have happened.

Nice.