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Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 07 May 2010, 19:31
by Brute
Kali has had seven fights fall through in the last two years.
Not many boxers like being pounded out in two or three rounds.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 10 May 2010, 03:36
by oliverfennell
foxdog1923 wrote:oliverfennell wrote:Meehan's best hope really is that Chagaev is damaged goods coming off the Klitschko beating. Otherwise, on paper, it does look a big ask for your guy.
But saying that, I will be rooting for Kali. I'd say he doesn't deserve his ranking at present, but fair enough if he can beat Chagaev - and importantly, he makes for a much more interesting challenger to Haye than Chagaev would.
Meehan being more of challenge to Haye then Chagaev?...yep I think so too but I'm not saying Meehan automatically is better then Chagaev, its a styles thing.
It would have been good to see Meehan take on a fairly decent opponent before this fight. One who can take him through 12 rounds im sure he gets plenty of high intensity sparring but sparring is sparring and fight's are just that. Kali's camp probably thought of this ages ago but couldnt find anyone to fight Kali.
Im going for Kali but Chageav is still a force in HW boxing.
Yeah, by "more interesting", I didn't necessarily mean "better than", but I just think Haye v Meehan is a more exciting match than Haye v Chagaev. Two huge punchers, both aggressive, both vulnerable... that's a good combination!
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 19 May 2010, 19:45
by crusader
Fights coming up soon and I'm more excited about this fight than I was for Haye-Ruiz, Klitschko-Chambers, and the upcoming Klitchko-Sosnowski.
This is a very competitive match, but I feel like both men may not be at their best. Chagaev with his health issues and the beating from Klitschko, and Meehan with his inactivity. I don't think this will prevent the bout from being exciting but it makes it harder to predict an outcome when you don't know which version of each fighter will turn up.
The main thing that Chagaev has in his favor is durability. He was able to take a lot of hard shots from Klitschko and has never been seriously hurt in his career, while Kali does not have the strongest chin around. On the other hand Kali has a significant size advantage (In the press conference pictures I thought Meehan looked to have more than four inches on Chagaev, he made him look tiny) and I feel he punches harder.
Very tough fight to predict but I'm narrowly leaning towards Chagaev. He is the home fighter, can take a better shot, and I feel he is also a little more skilled. I hope Meehan wins though, he deserves another big pay day after being treated poorly by the WBA.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 20 May 2010, 03:10
by buster007
i don't know how u can question meehan's chin tbh. just watch the last round vs rahman. rahman hit meehan with more than 60 power shots and he still didn't go down, meehan's corner stopped the fight when the round was finished. there were some huge shots that he took. considering it took one shot to ko lennox lewis, his chin can't be that bad. nobody else took that punishment from rahman without being ko'd.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 20 May 2010, 03:19
by crusader
I question Meehan's chin because he was stopped in thirty seconds by Williams, dropped by Okhello, and had some rocky moments in round five against Williamson. Chagaev punches as hard as all of these fighters.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 20 May 2010, 03:37
by buster007
against williams he was just as much caught cold. i think he was overwhelmed by such a big shot so early. not to mention that it was probably the best punch williams has ever thrown. good example of always be prepared from when the 1st bell goes. haumono learnt that the hard way too.
the rocky moments u talk about vs williamson were more exhaustion than anything. he only had 7 days notice for this fight. his fitness was terrible.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 03:53
by Brute
Meehan 230 pounds, Chagaev 231 pounds.
Meehan lighter than Chagaev? Interesting. Meehan is around his usual weight, Chagaev is usually lighter than that.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 18:07
by crusader
Well the chin certainly wasn't Kali's problem........
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 18:10
by Tinnie
How did it go down? I wasnt able to see the fight...
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 18:15
by Brute
Kali went the distance with him. That's about it.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 18:27
by crusader
Tinnie wrote:How did it go down? I wasnt able to see the fight...
Kali won the first round as Chagaev did nothing but it went downhill from there. Chagaev started to get going and it was clear by the fourth that Meehan was out of his depth. Chagaev would stalk Meehan and then trap him in corners and unload quick and hard combos. Kali was unable to keep Chagaev off as the Uzbek did a great job of blocking his punches and slipping in between them. Chagaev also was very accurate with counter punches and made Kali pay for missing.
I had Chagaev winning 119-109.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 19:48
by Marlin
Damn.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 20:30
by unleash06
i was thinking and hoping that with the near misses and being screwed around for the past couple of years that Kali might have had some pent up aggression there somewhere but only going on the highlights, it seems he wasn't aggressive enough??
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 21:08
by Rogue
OK so that settles that. Hopefully, Kali made a decent purse from this and move on....
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 21:09
by crusader
unleash06 wrote:i was thinking and hoping that with the near misses and being screwed around for the past couple of years that Kali might have had some pent up aggression there somewhere but only going on the highlights, it seems he wasn't aggressive enough??
He was aggressive in spots but whenever he would really let his punches go Chagaev would block/evade them and catch Kali with hard counters. I think if he was more aggressive he probably would have just ended up getting caught more often. There were really no answers for him tonight.
I thought he looked slower than ever before and I don't think it was the best Meehan in there, which makes it very hard to beat a former world champion and top 5/6 fighter like Chagaev.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 21:17
by Hounddawg
You cant win a fight if your 40 and haven't fought in 2 years, Kali should come home and fight some local fighters.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 21:49
by davidk59
The way I see it Chagaev got the nod but both fighters weren't throwing any combinations and playing it too safe. To suggest that Chagaev is THE WHITE TYSON is ridicules David Tua would Knock him out.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 22:20
by Tinnie
crusader wrote:Tinnie wrote:How did it go down? I wasnt able to see the fight...
Kali won the first round as Chagaev did nothing but it went downhill from there. Chagaev started to get going and it was clear by the fourth that Meehan was out of his depth. Chagaev would stalk Meehan and then trap him in corners and unload quick and hard combos. Kali was unable to keep Chagaev off as the Uzbek did a great job of blocking his punches and slipping in between them. Chagaev also was very accurate with counter punches and made Kali pay for missing.
I had Chagaev winning 119-109.
Thx for the run down mate. Im a little disappointed but not surprised, still proud of Kali though it takes alot of guts to step up and get in the ring with a top ranked guy after being inactive for so long.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 23:03
by Brute
Hounddawg wrote:You cant win a fight if your 40 and haven't fought in 2 years, Kali should come home and fight some local fighters.
Boxrec rating three Australians ahead of him (including Wilson, knocked out enough times by Kali for Kali to own him) may get him hungry.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 23:49
by Rogue
Brute wrote:Hounddawg wrote:You cant win a fight if your 40 and haven't fought in 2 years, Kali should come home and fight some local fighters.
Boxrec rating three Australians ahead of him (including Wilson, knocked out enough times by Kali for Kali to own him) may get him hungry.
Probably for some Hungry Jacks.....
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 22 May 2010, 23:58
by Brute
Kali has just gone the distance with a man who held a World Title recently. He could still make a living fighting American heavyweights, most of whom could not have done any better than he did this weekend.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 23 May 2010, 03:19
by funso banjo baby
meehan never had the firepower to trouble a top heavyweight
could be the end at his age but maybe a return with Okhello
Ishimaru wants revenge
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 23 May 2010, 03:27
by iron rhino
boring fight with no real agression,(like tua vs ahunanya) survival seemed to be the answer,because of inactivity maybe, both looked outdated,chagaev for a former world champ didn't look 'the goods' david haye would be licking his chops.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 23 May 2010, 04:32
by Brute
funso banjo baby wrote:meehan never had the firepower to trouble a top heavyweight
could be the end at his age but maybe a return with Okhello
Ishimaru wants revenge
Okhello could not beat time with a stick. Go suck some volcano ash.
Re: Kali Meehan and Ruslan Chagaev
Posted: 23 May 2010, 20:08
by buster007
looked like meehan was trying not to go too hard just in case the fight went a long way. but simply never put his foot on the pedal. when he moved forward and threw some punches, he looked far more dangerous than chagaev, its just he hardly attempted it. if he can learn from this and execute the game-plan properly in his next fight then i think he has the ability to defeat chagaev, who most people put in the top 5 heavies atm.