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There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

good luck to paul briggs, one of my fave fighters to watch, who fought two close, brutal fights with my fave current fighter, tomasz adamek (cruiser champ & heavyweight contender).

green made a comeback during the recession. with green's big success, becoming a hot fighter, it's the perfect time for briggs to come back. i am glad green's ppl want briggs to have a tune-up. this is a great chance for briggs, and bigger for him than any genuine world title fight.

hopefully briggs is refreshed from retirement. he look jaded at the end of his career. what weight will they fight at? i suppose two ex world class light heavies, back from retirement, up at 180-185, is a good weight.

i will root for briggs, who i feel throws his shots more correctly and with more impact. i am excited about this fight.

Autobarn wrote:good luck to paul briggs, one of my fave fighters to watch, who fought two close, brutal fights with my fave current fighter, tomasz adamek (cruiser champ & heavyweight contender).

green made a comeback during the recession. with green's big success, becoming a hot fighter, it's the perfect time for briggs to come back. i am glad green's ppl want briggs to have a tune-up. this is a great chance for briggs, and bigger for him than any genuine world title fight.

hopefully briggs is refreshed from retirement. he look jaded at the end of his career. what weight will they fight at? i suppose two ex world class light heavies, back from retirement, up at 180-185, is a good weight.

i will root for briggs, who i feel throws his shots more correctly and with more impact. i am excited about this fight.

I'm not sure about the power/impact advantage going to Briggs though. The extra weight has added heaps to green's power shots, but Paul has been at LHW for some time. I'd like to see it contracted at no more than 185.

i just think briggs is so much more accurate and this makes a big difference. just look what he did to tomasz adamek's face, one of the most durable, tough world champions in boxing. those fights were truly hard core stuff, and i don't think green - as much as i like the fighter - has quite been in anything as rough and nasty as those 2 fights. also, briggs was a lot better vs stipe drews, a nightmare southpaw.

briggs vs green. potentially amazing clash of aggressive styles. green definitely has the advantage, being active and "hot" at the moment. the fact that green just throws more shots will add to green's advantage. i will root for briggs, big time. he never got the money fight. i reckon he'll be hugely motivated and wouldn't put it past him to win.

even if briggs is badly faded, i still reckon he'll make it a thrilling fight.

adamheight wrote:There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

WBO wasn't really accepted in the 90's, well not that i remember anyway, Tommy Gunn and co were there champions.

Joe calzaghe was a WBO champion in the 90's but absolutely no one outside of Britan took notice of Calzaghe, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people only started caring about the WBO in the early to mid 2000's.

What shits me about this new belts becoming apparent majors, is back in the 90's guys that couldn't win a world title for the major 3 and wouldn't win the WBO strap today are now deemed champions of yesteryear because of the new found credability of the WBO.

Now if we consider the IBO as a major jeff fenech gets knocked of his perch as the only Australian to be a 3 division world champ, and Lester Ellis is our greatest ever fighter as a 4 division champion from Super feather to light Middle......I think the world knows Lester wasn't a 4 div world champion, and why i think the IBO and WBO early days prostituted the value of there belt. Therefore i barely recognize any of the sanctioning bodies as world titles and really rate the ring belt as the true title.

But hey what do i know about boxing.

Autobarn wrote:i just think briggs is so much more accurate and this makes a big difference. just look what he did to tomasz adamek's face, one of the most durable, tough world champions in boxing. those fights were truly hard core stuff, and i don't think green - as much as i like the fighter - has quite been in anything as rough and nasty as those 2 fights. also, briggs was a lot better vs stipe drews, a nightmare southpaw.

briggs vs green. potentially amazing clash of aggressive styles. green definitely has the advantage, being active and "hot" at the moment. the fact that green just throws more shots will add to green's advantage. i will root for briggs, big time. he never got the money fight. i reckon he'll be hugely motivated and wouldn't put it past him to win.

even if briggs is badly faded, i still reckon he'll make it a thrilling fight.

Either way Australia gets a superstar and one of those potentially unforgettable fights that people talk about for years to come.

Greeny to win in an absolute war over 12, i think this is really close.

Well said Hounddawg (i don't like the thought of shortening it to Dawg as in Australia it's the ultimate insult). I once read that Ali and Frasier wheren't just fighting for the world title in their final fight, they where fighting for, as was so eloquently put, fighting for the world championship of each other. The title wasn't the most important thing to these men in this fight.

With 6 or 7 world titles available in any one weight division, and the best in the world at any weight not necessarily holding any title (and I have'nt even mentioned the joke that is the 'super' WBA title), then, clearly the idea of being the world champ has lost a lot of stock.

It seams to me the only people flying the flag for the WBO and the IBO are their title holders, and more sadly, the fans using these titles to justify their favourite boxers. Guess what people, a fighter doesn't have to hold a title, or have a perfect record to be a champ!

Hounddawg wrote:

Autobarn wrote:i just think briggs is so much more accurate and this makes a big difference. just look what he did to tomasz adamek's face, one of the most durable, tough world champions in boxing. those fights were truly hard core stuff, and i don't think green - as much as i like the fighter - has quite been in anything as rough and nasty as those 2 fights. also, briggs was a lot better vs stipe drews, a nightmare southpaw.

briggs vs green. potentially amazing clash of aggressive styles. green definitely has the advantage, being active and "hot" at the moment. the fact that green just throws more shots will add to green's advantage. i will root for briggs, big time. he never got the money fight. i reckon he'll be hugely motivated and wouldn't put it past him to win.

even if briggs is badly faded, i still reckon he'll make it a thrilling fight.

Either way Australia gets a superstar and one of those potentially unforgettable fights that people talk about for years to come.

Greeny to win in an absolute war over 12, i think this is really close.

The Paul Briggs come back can only be good for Australian boxing. I have been a bigg fan of his since rading, many moons ago, about him turning pro, at the ripe old age of 15, in Thailand, against a Thai, full Thai riles. I watched,ringside, as he had his first pro fight in Melbourne, K.O ing Tai kin. Isat ring side as he took on Jomhod, and have seen all of his Melbourne boxing fights.

I'm also a fan of Danny Greens and have followed his career since the Am. days. Ring rust or no ring rust this fight will be a war. I recon it will last nine rounds, I don't know who will win but my money is on Briggs.

dberry wrote: Well said Hounddawg (i don't like the thought of shortening it to Dawg as in Australia it's the ultimate insult). I once read that Ali and Frasier wheren't just fighting for the world title in their final fight, they where fighting for, as was so eloquently put, fighting for the world championship of each other. The title wasn't the most important thing to these men in this fight.

With 6 or 7 world titles available in any one weight division, and the best in the world at any weight not necessarily holding any title (and I have'nt even mentioned the joke that is the 'super' WBA title), then, clearly the idea of being the world champ has lost a lot of stock.

It seams to me the only people flying the flag for the WBO and the IBO are their title holders, and more sadly, the fans using these titles to justify their favourite boxers. Guess what people, a fighter doesn't have to hold a title, or have a perfect record to be a champ!

This is very true Not a popular term in prison or on the street anyways!

Greeny is my favorite fighter but i can't justify him as a Cruiser champion, until he fights a cruiser. Still it doesn't stop me from believing that he's pretty close though, or my belief that he could be cruiser champ.
Paul Briggs if he could make LT heavy would be top 5 in his division, and i have no doubt he could make the adjustment to Cruiser.

Mate totally agree you don't have to hold a title to be champion, BHop has done it according to those who know, without holding any alphebet
title.
Manny Pac while the best feather held the WBC international title for years and was considered the best feather.
Most people know who's the champ/best.

is it just me or has the boxing world lost a lil push/desire for the "unification bouts" to deterimine a true champ?
i know i said about danny being a champ, and i still agree. but look at darchynian, he unified super flyweight for the first time, thats a true champ i feel. there is not enough push/demand/request/wateva else to get these fights made recently.
the super 6 tourny is a great concept, and possibly should be looked at more across the board
imagine a local super 6 for any of our solid divisions??? or even to get the heavys fighting each other amongst each other? if im wrong sorry, but thin kit is a good concept. shame they hand picked the international one though(how can fighters ranked well outside the top 6 be involved??)
way off topic, sorry, but puttin it out there

dberry wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:

Autobarn wrote:i just think briggs is so much more accurate and this makes a big difference. just look what he did to tomasz adamek's face, one of the most durable, tough world champions in boxing. those fights were truly hard core stuff, and i don't think green - as much as i like the fighter - has quite been in anything as rough and nasty as those 2 fights. also, briggs was a lot better vs stipe drews, a nightmare southpaw.

briggs vs green. potentially amazing clash of aggressive styles. green definitely has the advantage, being active and "hot" at the moment. the fact that green just throws more shots will add to green's advantage. i will root for briggs, big time. he never got the money fight. i reckon he'll be hugely motivated and wouldn't put it past him to win.

even if briggs is badly faded, i still reckon he'll make it a thrilling fight.

Either way Australia gets a superstar and one of those potentially unforgettable fights that people talk about for years to come.

Greeny to win in an absolute war over 12, i think this is really close.

The Paul Briggs come back can only be good for Australian boxing. I have been a bigg fan of his since rading, many moons ago, about him turning pro, at the ripe old age of 15, in Thailand, against a Thai, full Thai riles. I watched,ringside, as he had his first pro fight in Melbourne, K.O ing Tai kin. Isat ring side as he took on Jomhod, and have seen all of his Melbourne boxing fights.

I'm also a fan of Danny Greens and have followed his career since the Am. days. Ring rust or no ring rust this fight will be a war. I recon it will last nine rounds, I don't know who will win but my money is on Briggs.

Australia gets more exposure if this fight happens, Briggsy is hardcore, pro at 15 in the heart of Thai Boxing.

I agree with you, bigred, unification has lost flavour and is a fair way of guaging who is the best in any weight division. I also think the 'Super Six' tourniments are a great way to unify the belts.

Something positive has to happen as I feel the average punter is getting dissolusioned by what is going on at the moment.

Has anyone entertained the idea that the super six might not produce a unified world champ.

Hear me out, I think Kessler will take Frochs WBC, Ward will retain his belt against Green, but what happens if they don't meet in the final and both are still alpha title holders, mathematically if Abraham and Ward were to remain undefeated they would meet in the final, with only the WBA on the line.

adamheight wrote:There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

I agree. That being said I am sick of the "world champ"moniker anyway. I have seen some of the lesser organisations put on much better match ups over the years than some fights thrown together by the "3 majors". That being said until you have an undisputed champ yu really dont know....so both Klitschkos hold world titles, but surely they both cant be world champs....yes they can !! danny holds a version of the world title and it should be used to generate interest and money, which he and many other fighters will continue to do. Would any of the top "3" step up and fight Green ?? If they dont and take easier options should they still be recognised as world champs ? This argument could go on and on and on (as I think I have).

amwsnw wrote:

adamheight wrote:There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

I agree. That being said I am sick of the "world champ"moniker anyway. I have seen some of the lesser organisations put on much better match ups over the years than some fights thrown together by the "3 majors". That being said until you have an undisputed champ yu really dont know....so both Klitschkos hold world titles, but surely they both cant be world champs....yes they can !! danny holds a version of the world title and it should be used to generate interest and money, which he and many other fighters will continue to do. Would any of the top "3" step up and fight Green ?? If they dont and take easier options should they still be recognised as world champs ? This argument could go on and on and on (as I think I have).

What, Oniel Bell, Steve Cunningham, Jean Mark Mormeck, Marco Huck and Tomasz Adamek et al. need to 'step up' to challange Danny Green for the IBO cruiserweight title? I like Danny Green but lets get real, he would need to 'step up' to take their titles and prestige if he wants to seriously campain at cruiserweight.

dberry wrote:

amwsnw wrote:

adamheight wrote:There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

I agree. That being said I am sick of the "world champ"moniker anyway. I have seen some of the lesser organisations put on much better match ups over the years than some fights thrown together by the "3 majors". That being said until you have an undisputed champ yu really dont know....so both Klitschkos hold world titles, but surely they both cant be world champs....yes they can !! danny holds a version of the world title and it should be used to generate interest and money, which he and many other fighters will continue to do. Would any of the top "3" step up and fight Green ?? If they dont and take easier options should they still be recognised as world champs ? This argument could go on and on and on (as I think I have).

What, Oniel Bell, Steve Cunningham, Jean Mark Mormeck, Marco Huck and Tomasz Adamek et al. need to 'step up' to challange Danny Green for the IBO cruiserweight title? I like Danny Green but lets get real, he would need to 'step up' to take their titles and prestige if he wants to seriously campain at cruiserweight.

Mate i think O'neil Bell hung em up and Adamek is fat now.

Hounddawg wrote:

dberry wrote:

amwsnw wrote: I agree. That being said I am sick of the "world champ"moniker anyway. I have seen some of the lesser organisations put on much better match ups over the years than some fights thrown together by the "3 majors". That being said until you have an undisputed champ yu really dont know....so both Klitschkos hold world titles, but surely they both cant be world champs....yes they can !! danny holds a version of the world title and it should be used to generate interest and money, which he and many other fighters will continue to do. Would any of the top "3" step up and fight Green ?? If they dont and take easier options should they still be recognised as world champs ? This argument could go on and on and on (as I think I have).

What, Oniel Bell, Steve Cunningham, Jean Mark Mormeck, Marco Huck and Tomasz Adamek et al. need to 'step up' to challange Danny Green for the IBO cruiserweight title? I like Danny Green but lets get real, he would need to 'step up' to take their titles and prestige if he wants to seriously campain at cruiserweight.

Mate i think O'neil Bell hung em up and Adamek is fat now.

You know what I'm trying to say.
P.S. adameksays he'll come back to cruiser if the fight is right, so he's still in the mix.

dberry wrote:

Hounddawg wrote:

dberry wrote: What, Oniel Bell, Steve Cunningham, Jean Mark Mormeck, Marco Huck and Tomasz Adamek et al. need to 'step up' to challange Danny Green for the IBO cruiserweight title? I like Danny Green but lets get real, he would need to 'step up' to take their titles and prestige if he wants to seriously campain at cruiserweight.

Mate i think O'neil Bell hung em up and Adamek is fat now.

You know what I'm trying to say.
P.S. adameksays he'll come back to cruiser if the fight is right, so he's still in the mix.

Yeah i hear ya And i agree, i won't be disappointed if he fights at LT heavy but rather see him fight a bit higher.

I thought Adamek's weighing around 220 atm, if so thats over 10 kegs that he'll need to lose to make weight, i don't know i think Ademak is going to settle at Heavyweight.

judging by hi latest interview adamek wont be back lower than HW
did we see that article???

No but heard his weight somewhere, when a boxer has been on a diet for longer than a decade and then enters a division with no limit it's hard to get him back on a diet.

it was posted in current scene. thin kit was on spam.com. he said he struggled big time for LHW, and hard for CW, walking weight 209 - 214, next fight lookin at around 220. so no way he coming back to LHW, and very MINIMAL of CW by the sound. he would need to be earning mils i think to come back to CW

Hounddawg wrote:Now if we consider the IBO as a major jeff fenech gets knocked of his perch as the only Australian to be a 3 division world champ, and Lester Ellis is our greatest ever fighter as a 4 division champion from Super feather to light Middle.......

Precisely, but when I objected on here to Green being billed as a "three-weight world champ" in the lead up to the RJJ fight, on the basis of 1 x WBA, 1 x IBO and 1 x interim, you guys didn't like it!

dberry wrote:It seams to me the only people flying the flag for the WBO and the IBO are their title holders, and more sadly, the fans using these titles to justify their favourite boxers.

Case in point: "cruiserweight champion of the world" Danny Green!

bigred83 wrote:is it just me or has the boxing world lost a lil push/desire for the "unification bouts" to deterimine a true champ?
i know i said about danny being a champ, and i still agree. but look at darchynian, he unified super flyweight for the first time, thats a true champ i feel. there is not enough push/demand/request/wateva else to get these fights made recently.
the super 6 tourny is a great concept, and possibly should be looked at more across the board
imagine a local super 6 for any of our solid divisions??? or even to get the heavys fighting each other amongst each other? if im wrong sorry, but thin kit is a good concept. shame they hand picked the international one though(how can fighters ranked well outside the top 6 be involved??)
way off topic, sorry, but puttin it out there

i think at this stage of green's and briggs' careers, it's the fight that matters, not the title.

i mean, if the can have a huge domestic fight without genuine world title(s), there's no point gunning for the titles fist.

australian TV commentators make a point of recognising bogus belts such as WBA regular and IBO. the titles mean less and less.

though i would love to see the winner take on one of the rugged, undefeated and exciting light heavy title holders such as shumenov (WBA) or cloud (IBF).

amwsnw wrote:

adamheight wrote:There's no such thing as the "big 3" anymore and hasn't been since the mid 90's. U can thank the wbo for starting what has essentially become the undoing of the importance of the IBF, WBC and WBA. The ibo is just cementing the fact that the "big 3" are no longer as prestigious. De la hoya tried launching "the ring" belt as the ultimate measure of a divisions champ but that doesn't seem to be taking off too much.

I agree. That being said I am sick of the "world champ"moniker anyway. I have seen some of the lesser organisations put on much better match ups over the years than some fights thrown together by the "3 majors". That being said until you have an undisputed champ yu really dont know....so both Klitschkos hold world titles, but surely they both cant be world champs....yes they can !! danny holds a version of the world title and it should be used to generate interest and money, which he and many other fighters will continue to do. Would any of the top "3" step up and fight Green ?? If they dont and take easier options should they still be recognised as world champs ? This argument could go on and on and on (as I think I have).

Realistclly Nowdays, The Champion makes the belt, Not vise versa. If the belt is fought out between 2 guys no where near the best in there division then the belt is little more than a paper Title. Whether it be WBA WBC IBF IBO WBO.
And to be honest all Sanctioning Bodies have Skeletons in the closets, And realisticlly there all pretty much on the same page, If the fight makes $ and the Sanction fee's are paid then the Title fight will be held.

We are a long way past the days when guys like Like Lionel Rose and Jimmy Curruthers won a legitamate World Title belt. When you compare that with guys today having 10 belts in 6 diffrent divisions but never having been the best in any of the divisions it really makes the belts quite Worthless IMO.