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Brutu wrote:

Brutu wrote:Some sellers have these early fights on vhs.but I wonder if they were locally televised or taped from audience.

1978- Cooney vrs S.T Gordon/Las Vegas/wdq4/(11th professional fight)
1978- Cooney vrs Grady Daniels/NYC/WRSD4/(15th pro fight)


1979-Cooney vrs Charlie Johnson/NYC/KO1/(17th pro fight)
Cooney vrs Tom Prater/NYC/KO2/(18th pro fight)
Cooney vrs John Dino Denis/NYC/KO3/(21st pro fight)
Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone/Atlantic City/TKO6/(22nd pro fight)

I just recently saw an old advertisment in a December 1979 newspaper TV section for a HBO live boxing featuring
" Young American Heavyweights".
Greg Page vrs Ira Martin
Gerry Cooney vrs LeRoy Boone
Tex Cobb vrs Sam McGill(which apparently was canceled as I did not see it on Cobb's boxrec listing.

Anyway according to the newspaper accounts, In the sixth round,Cooney hit Boone in a lower rib with a vicious left hook and Boone doubled over and turned his back on Cooney and the ref stopped the fight.

Looks like Cobb was supposed to fight Bobby Jordan that night, but cancelled due to tendinitus in his shoulder. Pinklon Thomas stepped in instead.

Collins2000 wrote:

Brutu wrote:Earlous Tripp/KO.
That was for the 1976 Golden Gloves Heavyweight Open Championship at Madison Square Garden.

That was re-shown not too long ago on that MSG channel.

I wonder if the MSG channel has in its vaults any film or video tape of the
USA vrs the Soviet Union amateur boxing teams from the night of
Friday.November.14.1975.
It was a 10-bout all heavyweight card.
Including one of the best fights of that night.
A 19 year old Gerry Cooney(190 lbs) vrs Nikolai Aksyonov(198 lbs).
Cooney won his fight with a TKO in the first round,hitting him with lefts and rights until Aksyonov fell in his corner.
the 11,000 crowd cheered,
"Come On Gerry!,Come on Gerry!".

ebeneezer wrote:
You can see the finish to the Boone fight here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgRmNX5 ... re=related

Does the(apparent) suppression of Gerry Cooney's fight films(where he wins) still continue?
You got to wonder...and why?
Man,I was just sitting here eating my bowel of wheaties and wanted to just see a clip again of Gerry Cooney blasting out LeRoy Boone and Ron Lyle with devastating left hooks to the body.
But now I am just glad that I did get to finally see a glimpse of his fights against Boone and Lyle before it was mysteriously removed from youtube(again?).

granberry wrote:Cooney only fought "dead bodies."

He lost to anyone who hit him back.

Even to pathetic Michael Spinks.

Thats a little unfair.
Norton and Lyle were only truly dead once cooney destroyed them

He put up a sprited effort against Holmes.

The spinks fight though was terrible

mugabi wrote:

granberry wrote:Cooney only fought "dead bodies."

He lost to anyone who hit him back.

Even to pathetic Michael Spinks.

Thats a little unfair.
Norton and Lyle were only truly dead once cooney destroyed them

He put up a sprited effort against Holmes.

The spinks fight though was terrible

Lyle was approaching 40 and had already been stopped by club fighter Lynn Ball, so he was certainly far past his prime. And just look at Nortons last few fights before Cooney. He was shot as well.

I'll add Young to the list, because he was also pretty much shot when he fought Cooney.

Of course, Cooney was past prime and rusty against Spinks and Foreman. Basically, it's hard to judge Cooney because of his short and pretty thin career. I'll say that based on his gutsy scrap against Holmes that he was a pretty fair fighter.

What became of Lynn Ball?
He was at one time considered a possible contender for the heavyweight crown in the late 1970's.

Brutu wrote:What became of Lynn Ball?
He was at one time considered a possible contender for the heavyweight crown in the late 1970's.

He ran into Marty Monroe.

The Great John L wrote:
I'll add Young to the list, because he was also pretty much shot when he fought Cooney.

Of course, Cooney was past prime and rusty against Spinks and Foreman. Basically, it's hard to judge Cooney because of his short and pretty thin career. I'll say that based on his gutsy scrap against Holmes that he was a pretty fair fighter.

Young was still pretty useful when he fought Cooney.

Cooney had 3 careers - the first when he started and was fighting good competition for an up and comer like Dino Dennis and LeRoy Boone, his second career when the whacko twins realized they had a cash cow and wrapped him in cotton wool which stunted Gerry's growth as a fighter, and the third when he was totally shot and was just out of rehab for cocaine and alcohol addiction and had the horrendous performance against Spinks.

I really wish Gil Clancy had him from the start.

I remember a television interview with Eddie Futch about 12 years ago,when he was asked over the course of his boxing career,if there had been a fighter that he would have loved to train and his answer was,
Gerry Cooney.

ebeneezer wrote:Young was still pretty useful when he fought Cooney.

I guess you might be closer in saying he was still useful, rather than my saying he was shot, but he was a long way from what he was 4-5 years earlier, and with years of substance abuse was no longer even a fringe contender.

ebeneezer wrote:I really wish Gil Clancy had him from the start.

Agreed.

ebeneezer wrote: He hurt Jimmy Young a couple of times with his right in this fight

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3091926058#

Cooney should have double up on his left hooks against Michael Spinks.
Maybe he would have won that fight if he had.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Chaplin was a good fighter, his two robbery losses to Greg Page were as bad as it gets. It was probably Cooney's best win. There is a lot of sentiment now that Cooney is underrated and could of would of, etc...

'As bad as it gets', I have these fights are they're tough fights but not 'robberies' and if you think these decisions are as bad it gets you really have missed some major bouts.

I will never understand the apparent CDR.
"Cooney Derangement Syndrome"
that still seems to exist 25 years later.
I dont think its roots have anything to do with Cooney's boxing abilities(or lack of according to some people).
The bottom line is,that he didnt fight enough during his prime years
to be accurately judge by anyone..

I still remember that HBO show Legendary Nights,Holmes-Cooney.
smarmy Barry Thompkins adds his 2 cents at the end implying the fight was essentially just
a P.T Barnum-esque stunt to get ass's in seats and that Cooney was a fraud as far as being a legitament contender
to get a shot at the heavyweight crown.

The Great John L wrote:

Brutu wrote:What became of Lynn Ball?
He was at one time considered a possible contender for the heavyweight crown in the late 1970's.

He ran into Marty Monroe.

And then Michael Dokes blitzkrieged him for the NABF title in 1982.

overhand_right wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Chaplin was a good fighter, his two robbery losses to Greg Page were as bad as it gets. It was probably Cooney's best win. There is a lot of sentiment now that Cooney is underrated and could of would of, etc...

'As bad as it gets', I have these fights are they're tough fights but not 'robberies' and if you think these decisions are as bad it gets you really have missed some major bouts.

Agreed.Chaplin gave Page hell, but Greg did enough in both fights to win.Chaplin also got knocked down by Dokes, but it wasn't caught.

There was a 13 month stretch between Cooney's one round knockout of Ken Norton and Cooney's fight with Holmes.
Actually when u consider it,it was really a 2 year stretch between Cooney's last competive fight with Jimmy Young(May-1980) and the Holmes fight(June 1982).
No way could Cooney have been really mentally or physically prepared to fight for the Heavyweight championship of the world.

Leroy Boone.
In 1983 I fought on a card in Chicago where Leroy Boone fought Quick Tillis.
Boone didnt have a cornerman to work his corner so my trainer got up there and helped him out.They had never met. Whats he gonna tell Boone to beat Tillis?
By that time, Leroy had been fighting for awhile.You have to wonder what the deal was.Why noone to corner him.
Maybe he had one other guy with him, I dont recall. Either way, that kinda stuff is what the public doesnt see when they only catch the pretty boys on the tube.

Cooney had some ability.He had a big left hook and with his size,he could do some damage.
The Wacko twins Mike Jones and Dennis Rappaport did the kid a disservice by matching him with so many easy fights. Gerry must have asked himself at some point,"why are these guys protecting me so much? maybe I cant fight to well".
That attitude messes a fighter up.Ruins the confidence.

You can see one of the Wacko twins actually get up into Cooney's corner in between rounds of a fight
while his trainer was talking to Cooney giving him water.
What could he have possibly needed to say to Cooney?
also shortly after the Norton fight(May 1981)Cooney was supposed to or planning to fight Mike Weaver later that Fall
for the WBA hvywt title,but the WBA instead ordered Weaver to fight James"Quick"Tillis(ranked #3) Oct 1981.

Brutu wrote:You can see one of the Wacko twins actually get up into Cooney's corner in between rounds of a fight
while his trainer was talking to Cooney giving him water.
What could he have possibly needed to say to Cooney?
also shortly after the Norton fight(May 1981)Cooney was supposed to or planning to fight Mike Weaver later that Fall
for the WBA hvywt title,but the WBA instead ordered Weaver to fight James"Quick"Tillis(ranked #3) Oct 1981.

And if Weaver didn't fight him, Page and Tillis were fighting for the vacant belt.

Gerry Cooney was originally suppose to fight Ron Lyle August.2.1980 on the under card of Thomas Hearns-Pipino Cuevas closed circuit fight
However Ron Lyle pulled out a month earlier due to"Psychological reasons"
So then it was supposed to be Cooney vrs Earnie Shavers.
Cooney hurt his back/shoulder muscle while traing for that fight,so finally it became
Earnie Shavers -Tex Cobb.

Cooney vs Lyle in full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2isONxU4aY

ebeneezer wrote:Cooney vs Lyle in full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2isONxU4aY

Geez, kinda a one-sided introduction

As far as Gerry Cooney's boxing schedule and Ron Lyle's boxing career at that point(October 1980).
Earlier Ron Lyle had fought Scott Ledoux in
May 1979,(live on ABC-TV)
Ledoux knocked Lyle down in the third round(twice)
but Lyle was given a split decision win
(by one point).
They were scheduled for a re-match March.9.1980,however Ron Lyle pulled out a couple weeks before because his sparring partner
( Marty Monroe)broke Lyle's nose(thats what was claimed in the newspapers anyway)
Instead Scott Ledoux fought(undefeated) Marty Monroe(aired on the CBS Sports Spectacular)and LeDoux won on points.

So I guess the winner of the Ledoux-Lyle rematch fight was under contract to fight Gerry Cooney
April.19.1980 in Atlantic City,
but the Cooney-LeDoux fight never happened of course.
Reportly Muhammad Ali wanted to fight Scott LeDoux as his first comeback fight around that time
(Ali originally retired a few months earlier
and Scott LeDoux wanted the comeback fight for Ali more.
(LeDoux had previously done a 5 round charity exhibition with Ali in November 1977)
Although I had read somewhere that LeDoux broke his right hand in the Monroe fight,and if so it wouldnt have healed in 6 weeks.
Although LeDoux of course fought Larry Holmes for the heavyweight title JULY.7.1980.
Perhaps there was some BS from keeping people from keeping Cooney busy(i.e promoters who Cooney wouldnt sighn up with)

Anyone here seen a tape of the Gerry Cooney vrs John"Dino"Denis fight
November.9.1979 Madison Suare Garden NYC?
I have seen a brief clip of it now and again on tv over last 30 years.
It was a brutal fight,a grudge match.
Cooney was beating Dino Denis face to pulp in the second round with jabs then flattened him with a left hook in the third.
It was televised on Friday night fights from MSG on WOR-TV Channel 9,NYC.
I think it was also broadcast on the regions radio stations,back when they still did that.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

ebeneezer wrote:Cooney vs Lyle in full

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2isONxU4aY

Geez, kinda a one-sided introduction

This video of Cooney vrs Lyle was removed from youtube so soon too?
You think there may still be some kind of an anti-Gerry Cooney removal from public memory conspiracy or what?
Im just glad I watched it before it was taken off.
Yeah,the violation was probably having to see Cooney adminsitering an ass-whupping.
Probably David Letterman,Chris Rock or some other liberal comedian took offense
as it contradicted their dumb jokes about Cooney over the years.