Manny Pacquiao VS Roberto Duran(1977) @ 135

[hhaehre]

hhaehre,

wtf are you talking about, common decency? wtf am i supposed to do, join into the pacquiao nuthuggery club? some of you people are just little whiners who seem to get all butthurt if someone criticizes your favorite fighters. oooooh, i know, this has got to be some flamin' liberal site where we're supposed to give ALL boxers positive critics! sorry buddy but where i come from (u.s.a.), we speak our mind and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, too bad! besides, who else matters other than the greatest country on this earth. sorry aussies and brits!!!

Fine, you just keep on expressing your hatred towards an athlete you have never met. It makes you look like a retarded kid but its your choice. And please don't pretend to speak for all Americans, your nationalistic drivel is yours and yours alone.

[King of the Ring]

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@135, I see Duran winning a close UD against Pac but at 140-147, I see Pac stopping Duran. Pac was not a beast at 135 like Duran was.

Pac at 135 was not as good as the Pac at 147. The guy is getting better and better.

[milmascaras1]

ring,

so you're saying that the duran who beat sugar ray leonard at welterweight gets stopped by pacquiao? even roach says pacquiao couldn't beat duran! wow, you must really be impressed with pacquiao, huh?

[Idisagree]

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@135, I see Duran winning a close UD against Pac but at 140-147, I see Pac stopping Duran. Pac was not a beast at 135 like Duran was.

Pac at 135 was not as good as the Pac at 147. The guy is getting better and better.

You either did not seen Duran fight at 147 or above or are a huge Pac fan. How do you come with the conclusion that he will stop Duran? Duran had granite chin that only Hearns had the power to crack and that was at 154. Are you saying that Pac hits as hard as Hearns? Pac would not in a million years been able to stop Duran at any weight. You must be confusing Duran with Cotto. Duran is light years ahead of Cotto in Power, stamina, defense, and boxing ability. Duran is also faster, more accurate, and better puncher than Marquez and we all know what Marquez has been able to do against Pac. Pac is great, but Duran is just a little better than Pac. Do you really think that Duran would’ve stand in front of Pac like Cotto did? Duran defense is often under-rated and there is no way that Pac could make Duran fight his fight. Duran would counter him all night long and give him angles like he has never seen. Duran wins this one at any weight class.
How do you think Pac would've done against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, or Marvin Hagler?

[milmascaras1]

this is how much of freak roberto duran was. at his lowest weight, he fought at 119 and at his highest weight in which he fought (with a win), he was 174 lbs. at the age of 47 years old against a much younger, 6 ft. fighter with a record of 14-9-2. duran himself was only 5'7". incredible!!!!

duran started off at 119 and fought as heavy as 174. that's a span of 55 lbs.
pacquiao started at 106 and has fought as heavy as 145. that's a span of 38 lbs.

so i hope pacquiao fans can finally quit saying "but pacman started as a 106er!

let's see pacquiao fight at 47 years of age, against a much younger fighter who is 6'0" tall, and at 161 lbs. and win. that's 55 lbs. as heavy as duran fought at and won!!!

[milmascaras1]

i forgot to mention, HERE COME THE CRYBABY PACQUIAO APOLOGISTS!

[King of the Ring]

ring,

so you're saying that the duran who beat sugar ray leonard at welterweight gets stopped by pacquiao? even roach says pacquiao couldn't beat duran! wow, you must really be impressed with pacquiao, huh?

Why not? I'm not even a Pac fan and you know it.

You have to remember that Leonard runs, Duran fights going forward. And this suits up well for Pac. Yes Duran beat Ray Leonard, how? By bullying him. Ray Leonard simply ran from Duran. Pac won't. We can argue that Pac is as fast as Ray Leonard but their main difference is, Pac fights, Ray runs.

And because of this, I will say Pac can't beat Ray Leonard. Pac struggles with runners/boxers. You see, styles make fights.

[milmascaras1]

funny but i never saw leonard run!!! just because he was a classic boxer/puncher did not make him a runner. but okay, that's your opine and we'll leave it at that!

[milmascaras1]

king,

wait a minute, you tell me you are not a pacquiao fan? how should i know?

[King of the Ring]

king,

wait a minute, you tell me you are not a pacquiao fan? how should i know?

You know it just as I can tell you're a Pac hater.

[King of the Ring]

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@135, I see Duran winning a close UD against Pac but at 140-147, I see Pac stopping Duran. Pac was not a beast at 135 like Duran was.

Pac at 135 was not as good as the Pac at 147. The guy is getting better and better.

You either did not seen Duran fight at 147 or above or are a huge Pac fan. How do you come with the conclusion that he will stop Duran? Duran had granite chin that only Hearns had the power to crack and that was at 154. Are you saying that Pac hits as hard as Hearns? Pac would not in a million years been able to stop Duran at any weight. You must be confusing Duran with Cotto. Duran is light years ahead of Cotto in Power, stamina, defense, and boxing ability. Duran is also faster, more accurate, and better puncher than Marquez and we all know what Marquez has been able to do against Pac. Pac is great, but Duran is just a little better than Pac. Do you really think that Duran would’ve stand in front of Pac like Cotto did? Duran defense is often under-rated and there is no way that Pac could make Duran fight his fight. Duran would counter him all night long and give him angles like he has never seen. Duran wins this one at any weight class.
How do you think Pac would've done against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, or Marvin Hagler?

Granite chin? I've heard that all the time. Margarito, Morales, Duran etc. Hell even Pac is regarded as having a granite chin and they all got KO'd.

Duran would counter him all night long and give him angles like he has never seen.

Maybe it's the other way around. Okay, probably Pac won't win at 147 against Duran. I may have overstated but I can see Pac winning at 140.

How do you think Pac would've done against Davey Moore, Iran Barkley, or Marvin Hagler?

Barkely will probably be too big for Pac. You see, Pac fights at 147 but that is actually his normal weight.

At 154, Pac loses against all these names. At 147, Pac is at a disadvantage simply because he is small at that weight but I won't dismiss him.

[milmascaras1]

king,

oh, i know who you are! you're one of those pinoy pactards from another forum, aren't you. and so friggin' what if i don't like pacquiao! does that hurt your little feelings? dude, grow up and grow a strong pair because right now you're acting like a little chavala!

[King of the Ring]

king,

oh, i know who you are! you're one of those pinoy pactards from another forum, aren't you. and so friggin' what if i don't like pacquiao! does that hurt your little feelings? dude, grow up and grow a strong pair because right now you're acting like a little chavala!

I don't like Pacquiao as well but I don't hate him either. It's you who needs to grow up. With you age and everything, I see you still have not changed.

People here still ignore and dislike you like other posters on other forums. Says something about you is not it?

[milmascaras1]

you know, i was watching an interview of roberto duran about a year ago and he praised pacquiao for being a great champion but when the interviewer asked him how pacquiao would have done fighting him, he laughed and said pacquiao is good but he (duran) would have killed him. and then he started laughing hard.

[milmascaras1]

king,

people don't like me because i say the God damned truth and you jotitos cannot handle the god damned truth. i mean, someone says something derogatory about your Lord and Savior and right away you people come out with "you're a hater", "i'm offended", "you soiled my panties", bullshit. you know King, wouldn't these forums be so bland if there weren't forumers like me giving their honest, truther, opinions? stop with the little girl nonsense already. it's okay if not everyone loves pacquiao, your national treasure! i've seen much better fighters than he. but i do admit he is a great fighter! i just don't get off caressing his huevos like you and others here do. he's not the whole sport of boxing like you pactardos think he is. watch, for saying these comments you and your other pacquiao man-lovers are going to go to the moderators and demand that they ban me, right? well go ahead, it will just prove my point how sensitive and delicate some of you really are!

[PPLLUVTHIS]

The sad thing is you write with a style indicative of someone not far removed from diapers (milmascaras1).

I wasn't around until Duran was fighting the likes of Hearns & Hagler.

It looks like your the one not too far from diapers.

If you study boxing and open up the the archives of boxing history, YOU WOULDNT DARE THINK ANYONE CAN MESS WITH DURAN @ 135. Duran would have broke down any fighter at that weight in his prime!!

[dempseyfire]

At 135, Duran by KO.

At 147, I'd favor Manny by decision. I just was never impressed at how Duran looked at 147 and above. THe first Sugar Ray fight . . .great performance but he barely scrapped by Leonard in my book. Pacquao with his in and out footwork and southpaw stance presents a different kettle of fish, and I think Duran was just not fast enough at this weight. But of course he could win.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The sad thing is you write with a style indicative of someone not far removed from diapers (milmascaras1).

I wasn't around until Duran was fighting the likes of Hearns & Hagler.

It looks like your the one not too far from diapers.

If you study boxing and open up the the archives of boxing history, YOU WOULDNT DARE THINK ANYONE CAN MESS WITH DURAN @ 135. Duran would have broke down any fighter at that weight in his prime!!

PPLLUVTHIS (Who cannot distinguish between, 'your' &, 'you're') has never heard of Henry Armstrong & Benny Leonard, to name but two.

"Henry Armstrong & Benny Leonard cannot mess with Roberto Duran at Lightweight." What a fvcking moron

I can keep naming names for you to research, if you'd like...

[PPLLUVTHIS]

The sad thing is you write with a style indicative of someone not far removed from diapers (milmascaras1).

I wasn't around until Duran was fighting the likes of Hearns & Hagler.

It looks like your the one not too far from diapers.

If you study boxing and open up the the archives of boxing history, YOU WOULDNT DARE THINK ANYONE CAN MESS WITH DURAN @ 135. Duran would have broke down any fighter at that weight in his prime!!

PPLLUVTHIS (Who cannot distinguish between, 'your' &, 'you're') has never heard of Henry Armstrong & Benny Leonard, to name but two.

"Henry Armstrong & Benny Leonard cannot mess with Roberto Duran at Lightweight." What a fvcking moron

I can keep naming names for you to research, if you'd like...

Leonard and Armstrong were both great fighters, but neither had the power to stage off Manos de Piedra @ 135.

You know what Irene......I really don't like you. "Your" a fowl mouth, immature little punk who gets off trying to insult people and throwing jabs behind the cpu keyboard....."you're" a online gangsta who don't have the balls to get in a fight.......Who gets off calling people names and insulting ppl on a chat forum anyways????? Whats the point?? A punk who thinks they know shit. Rather your a man or a girl.....you get no respect for talking shit to someone behind the cpu (take that advice and learn from it). I just wanted to tell you about yourself, your slip is showing.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's, 'foul,' not, 'fowl' bird-brain --- & before you come back with the oh-so-predictable, "This isn't a spelling bee" line, don't bother. These are 5th-Grade distinctions you're failing. It's frankly embarrassing. You'll accuse me of this or that --- great, I'll accuse you of not knowing what you're talking about.

Difference is, you don't know a thing about me, & are just reaching at whatever insults you can to try & injure me --- whereas I am going off what you've actually said --- words which expose you of having little real knowledge of the division's history. No one would say the things you said of Duran if they had any real depth to their 135lb. knowledge.

"...Leonard & Armstrong were both great fighters, but neither had the power to stage off Manos de Piedra at 135lbs..."

Give me a break. Everyone can see this is a generic comment put up by someone who can't go into any detail, because they don't know what they're talking about. All they've really seen is how great Duran was, & are going to go with that. Never mind Benny Leonard. Never mind Henry Armstrong. Never mind Ike Williams, Barney Ross, or Carlos Ortiz. I've seen Roberto Duran

See how that works? My post is substance, based on proven statements --- yours is randomised insults & baseless presumptions. You belong in Current Scene, with the rest of the Boxing-was-born-when-I-was-born crowd. Go back --- this isn't a place for someone with a text-message for a name.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's mind blowing how smooth Benny looks on that old film that is rarely flattering. He hit plenty hard and as much of a Duran fan as I am, that's probably a 50/50 fight as is Ike Williams.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's mind blowing how smooth Benny looks on that old film that is rarely flattering. He hit plenty hard and as much of a Duran fan as I am, that's probably a 50/50 fight as is Ike Williams.

Plainly obvious to anyone who knows what he's talking about

Fact is, putting it bluntly, most of the CS types don't.

[Goodnight, Irene]

^^^Would you consider Pacquiao any chance to frustrate Duran into quitting, by way of the sheer speed of his in-&-out assault, above 140?

[hhaehre]

^^^Would you consider Pacquiao any chance to frustrate Duran into quitting, by way of the sheer speed of his in-&-out assault, above 140?

Well I think Pacquiao could have a chance against Duran above 140 but make him quit? I don't think so. The only 'quit job' Duran pulled was not due to pressure and he did hang in there with Hagler at 160 so I don't think he'd quit. I think Pacquiaos success against Duran at welter would hinge on whether Manny would be able to dictate the pace or not.

[PPLLUVTHIS]

It's, 'foul,' not, 'fowl' bird-brain --- & before you come back with the oh-so-predictable, "This isn't a spelling bee" line, don't bother. These are 5th-Grade distinctions you're failing. It's frankly embarrassing. You'll accuse me of this or that --- great, I'll accuse you of not knowing what you're talking about.

Difference is, you don't know a thing about me, & are just reaching at whatever insults you can to try & injure me --- whereas I am going off what you've actually said --- words which expose you of having little real knowledge of the division's history. No one would say the things you said of Duran if they had any real depth to their 135lb. knowledge.

"...Leonard & Armstrong were both great fighters, but neither had the power to stage off Manos de Piedra at 135lbs..."

Give me a break. Everyone can see this is a generic comment put up by someone who can't go into any detail, because they don't know what they're talking about. All they've really seen is how great Duran was, & are going to go with that. Never mind Benny Leonard. Never mind Henry Armstrong. Never mind Ike Williams, Barney Ross, or Carlos Ortiz. I've seen Roberto Duran

See how that works? My post is substance, based on proven statements --- yours is randomised insults & baseless presumptions. You belong in Current Scene, with the rest of the Boxing-was-born-when-I-was-born crowd. Go back --- this isn't a place for someone with a text-message for a name.

Dang Irene........you still giving me love!??! "Goodnight, Irene", wasn't that a title of a Meg Ryan movie or something?? I'm sure you are aware that styles make fights.....Stylistically, Duran is his prime @ 135 would have given any LW problems. On any given night in boxing, any fighter can be beaten, that's why they call it an "upset", when the favorite fighter is defeated. No one thought Tyson would have been manhandled by Buster Douglas, who thought Max Baer would have fallen to Jimmy Braddock?? So, we are entitled to our opinions, right?? Since you are the "professor" in this forum, you seem to pay more attention in my grammar and pronunciation then in your own blindness of who started the insults........ I tell you what, if you are ever in the Virginia, New York, or Las Vegas area, let me know so we can have this discussion in person.....and so I can get to "know you". Other than that, you really should have no more words for me.