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oliverfennell wrote:

banjo wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:A good one was Radcliffe Greene absolutely annihilating a novice but extremely popular prospect at the Elephant and Castle. I forget his name but it was souble-barrelled. Green, who I believe had three wins and about 10 losses to his name, silenced a very voluble crowd by absolutely, literally sparking the guy for a worrying amount of minutes.

Bobby Scott?

Ah, that's him. Checking BoxRec, he went by Rob Scott-Hayes at the time. Obviously my figures for Radcliffe were out too. Anyway, a frightening KO.

It was on some sort of documentary about Scott at the time.He's on a bill im going to in Doncaster next week

tijuana1 wrote:I remember Kirkland Laing gettin sparked in the 90's by what Reg Gutteridge called a Journey man Buck Smith. He had the biggest left hook, what a lucky swing it was. Me and my mate practiced it for years but thought we would get thrown out the ring for using it. lol.

that buck smith was a bull strong, patient type of journeyman. Just shut up shop, soaked up ridiculous ammounts of punches and waited for his chance. fair play to him, i couldnt believe it.

mickey1975 wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

banjo wrote: Bobby Scott?

Ah, that's him. Checking BoxRec, he went by Rob Scott-Hayes at the time. Obviously my figures for Radcliffe were out too. Anyway, a frightening KO.

It was on some sort of documentary about Scott at the time.He's on a bill im going to in Doncaster next week

I'll see you there Mickey, I'm fighting John Anthony on that bill.

rhino222 wrote:

Des1 wrote:

rhino222 wrote: now you are getting on my tits, the thread is about journeymen who spark out a prospect, vinny is a prospect, he got stopped by someone who could be classed as a journeyman, i suggest you take off your mitchell tinted specs and come up with some more examples like others have done, peel down your vinny mitchell posters, throw your vinny mitchell coffee cup in the bin, and take your vinny mitchell watch to the menders, the second hand has come off !!

So he's a prospect now? You was saying he's a nothing fighter on on the other thread . I'm no more obsessed than you though am I? Your the one actually starting the threads...

you burk, he WAS a prospect but his latest demise has put another nail in the coffin of his professional ambitions, either you are vinny mitchell, or you are one sad stalker. this thread is about prospects in general, NOT JUST your boyfriend !!

Just cant help yourself can you. You start a thread trying to disrespect a boxer, you get put in your place so you bring it apon yourself to start this one knowing full well that Vinny got a prospect award at the LEBA the weekend so you could just mention him. Its you that has the obsession...cant contain yourself over a result, you was saying you didn't rate Vinny as a prospect anyway ...... Also, name calling shows frustration ;;-)

How about one that got the build up but got done before even turning pro.
Kelcie Banks was the nail on cert for a gold medal in the 1988 Seoul Olympics, but one right hand in the 1st round from Regilio Tuur ended that.

Tuur went on to have a decent pro career himself though.

Tony Booth won pts Omar Sheika
Chris Saunders won ko 4 Kevin Lueshing,in his previous fight lueshing had just beaten Kirkland Laing
Jon Thaxton won ko 1 Paul scrap Iron Ryan

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

Deno1986 wrote:

somalian wrote:kiko sparking dunne in 30 seconds.

yeah great shout Lirva, why do you make it so obvious

It certainly counts! No use getting upset about it!

Since when was Kiko Martinez a journeyman? And do you call a 28 year old European Champion with two defences a prospect?

hendrix_lennon wrote:Willie Bilan from Fife was a really good amateur and Tommy Gilmour had high hopes for him after signing him.
After winning his first couple of fights he was knocked spark out by Alex Spitko on the undercard of a Kevin Anderson fight.
Was a pretty sickening KO and Bilan has never really bounced back from it.

I mind that, some of the worst refereein I've seen in person. He was clearly fecked after the 1st kd but the ref just let him get splattered.

pm wrote:

hendrix_lennon wrote:Willie Bilan from Fife was a really good amateur and Tommy Gilmour had high hopes for him after signing him.
After winning his first couple of fights he was knocked spark out by Alex Spitko on the undercard of a Kevin Anderson fight.
Was a pretty sickening KO and Bilan has never really bounced back from it.

I mind that, some of the worst refereein I've seen in person. He was clearly fecked after the 1st kd but the ref just let him get splattered.

Absolutely.
I remember watching him just basically drop to his knees and then keel over after the first knock down.
God knows how he managed to get back up, but the ref should have stopped it long before.

Des1 wrote: Vinny got a prospect award at the LEBA the weekend

Really?

No disrtespect to Vinny, but ... why?

Who else was in the running?

His career as a pro hasn't exactly "set the world on fire."

whicker wrote:

Des1 wrote: Vinny got a prospect award at the LEBA the weekend

Really?

No disrtespect to Vinny, but ... why?

Who else was in the running?

His career as a pro hasn't exactly "set the world on fire."

He won it for the 08-09 session at the LEBA

Des1 wrote:

whicker wrote:

Des1 wrote: Vinny got a prospect award at the LEBA the weekend

Really?

No disrtespect to Vinny, but ... why?

Who else was in the running?

His career as a pro hasn't exactly "set the world on fire."

He won it for the 08-09 session at the LEBA

London Ex-Boxers Association?

Was it just for fighters from the Capital?

SexySouthPaw wrote:Tony Booth won pts Omar Sheika
Chris Saunders won ko 4 Kevin Lueshing,in his previous fight lueshing had just beaten Kirkland Laing
Jon Thaxton won ko 1 Paul scrap Iron Ryan

Ah beat me to to it mate!

Saunders was much better than his record would suggest. He also floored a 23-0-0 Mike Jennings in the first before being stopped in five in one of the final fights of his career. You can't help but feel if he'd been matched a bit easier earlier in his career he'd have a much better statistical record and perhaps got the british title earlier.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

whicker wrote:

Des1 wrote:

whicker wrote: Really?

No disrtespect to Vinny, but ... why?

Who else was in the running?

His career as a pro hasn't exactly "set the world on fire."

He won it for the 08-09 session at the LEBA

London Ex-Boxers Association?

Was it just for fighters from the Capital?

Not to sure to be honest, maybe just from the Capital being London Ex Boxers Association. Might let us know in boxing news.

jamie moore getting stopped by scott dixson ??????
oj abrahams stopping darren dyer

1southpaw wrote:jamie moore getting stopped by scott dixson ??????
oj abrahams stopping darren dyer

the jamie moore result was a big shock, i was there at the velodrome i think it was, undercard of farnell v tak....

jamie seemed 'gassed' that night and body shots took their toll, perhaps he took the training lightly...only mooresy can enlighten us, come on jamie, spill the beans.

Des1 wrote:

rhino222 wrote:

Des1 wrote: So he's a prospect now? You was saying he's a nothing fighter on on the other thread . I'm no more obsessed than you though am I? Your the one actually starting the threads...

you burk, he WAS a prospect but his latest demise has put another nail in the coffin of his professional ambitions, either you are vinny mitchell, or you are one sad stalker. this thread is about prospects in general, NOT JUST your boyfriend !!

Just cant help yourself can you. You start a thread trying to disrespect a boxer, you get put in your place so you bring it apon yourself to start this one knowing full well that Vinny got a prospect award at the LEBA the weekend so you could just mention him. Its you that has the obsession...cant contain yourself over a result, you was saying you didn't rate Vinny as a prospect anyway ...... Also, name calling shows frustration ;;-)

?????? .... and now you are telling me what i know, coupled with telling me what should be and what is my opinion !!

i had no idea that vinny won prospect of the year at the LEBA awards at the weekend, and how on earth would i know, i live in lincolnshire..surrounded by spuds, tractors, polish people and drains (great pike fishing !!) .......im not too bothered about who won the prospect of the year, i bet those that voted are busy wiping the egg of their faces now !!

in all seriousness, there is a huge void at the moment in talent coming through from the capital, far more fighters are emerging from the midlands, wales, manchester and scotland...... but equally........how has vinny mitchell beat the likes of degale, groves and even tony owen and akaash bhatia in a prospect award from the capital...??

were stevie wonder and ray charles on the judging panel !! ....

Has there EVER and I mean, EVER been an Eastern European fighter who was flown over as an "opponent", and ended up winning?

What would they do? Would they celebrate?

(As an "opponent." Notable fighters challenging for titles, or defending titles etc obviously don't count.)

((Alex Spitko doesn't count, as he is British based.))

whicker wrote:Has there EVER and I mean, EVER been an Eastern European fighter who was flown over as an "opponent", and ended up winning?

What would they do? Would they celebrate?

(As an "opponent." Notable fighters challenging for titles, or defending titles etc obviously don't count.)

((Alex Spitko doesn't count, as he is British based.))

already mentioned one..when krence got stopped by prizyuk who was 8-8 at the time, im sure there are a few more, but i do admit it is a rarity.

Another good one: Andrew Singh Kooner got quite a bit of buzz for his British debut (Audley-Williams 2 undercard) and then he got absolutely wiped out by Shinny Bayaar, who was at the time still very much considered a journeyman.

although he didn't win pavels dolgovs drew with ian lewison! he didn't exactly celebrate, but he looked surprised and gave me a bar of latvian chocolate, very nice it was too

Gary Lockett vs Yuri Tsarenko.

David Walker vs Jimmy Vincent.

Paul Wesley KO1 Neville Brown, at the time Brown was 11-0 and Wesley was 11-14-3

plus Paul Wesley KO2 Paul Jones, after that one Jones went on to win the WBO title.

Glen McCorry 13-0 lost KO4 to John Westgarth 5-2-2
Glenn Catley 7-0 lost KO 5 to Carlo Colarusson 10-8
Carl Thompson 8-0 got stopped in 6 by a then 10-3 Crawford Ashley in Manchester.
As mention Paul Silky Jones got KO'd by Paul Wesley 13-20-1

All went on to win major world titles, how many would have predicted that directly after these defeats.

Old bones Ian wrote:Paul Wesley KO1 Neville Brown, at the time Brown was 11-0 and Wesley was 11-14-3

plus Paul Wesley KO2 Paul Jones, after that one Jones went on to win the WBO title.

Great shouts Ian - Wesley certainly was a dangerman when in the mood...