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DavidPayne wrote: Fighting Catley, the bloke who knocked out Beyer, in a Bristol/Cardiff face off might have lifted his profile a little, don't ya think?

Not really, especially as he did Glenn in a round in the ams (and that can't be attributed to age, unlike the similar Dean Francis scenario). Catley was a natural middle and while he over-achieved fantastically in fights against Beyer and Lucas (and Woodhall to some degree), he would have been made to measure for Calzaghe.

How can you say he conquered light-heavyweight!!! Maybe he should have! But he didn't! He beat two old blown-up middleweights (they were both legends though) I don't see how you can even start a thread like this, asking about cruiserweight!!! I hope you don't think I'm caining Joe Calzaghe here because I'm not! - I liked him and thought he was a brilliant super-middleweight champion and i'm glad he finished when he did unbeaten,rich and in good health! His legacy has already been left! - The cruiserweight is a shit division and would have done nothing for him!! I'm not caining Joe Calzaghe - I'm caining you!!!!

At the time Sheika was considered a threat...

What happened with the Catley/Calzaghe fight then David, was Joe running scared?

After double checking, besides the awful Thornberry - no defending him there - he fought Starie, Reid, Woodhall and Sheika in 99/00

Could be worse?

But I see your point....it would have been a big fight, but would not have had any impact, in my opinion, on his overall CV.

Deserter wrote:

DavidPayne wrote: Fighting Catley, the bloke who knocked out Beyer, in a Bristol/Cardiff face off might have lifted his profile a little, don't ya think?

Not really, especially as he did Glenn in a round in the ams (and that can't be attributed to age, unlike the similar Dean Francis scenario). Catley was a natural middle and while he over-achieved fantastically in fights against Beyer and Lucas (and Woodhall to some degree), he would have been made to measure for Calzaghe.

People, people, people.

I'm not saying Glen beats him.

I'm saying Joe fought doughnuts from Arizona and mechanics from Mexico and Kazakstan (sp) when he had on his doorstep a fellow champion, who held a win over one of Joe's rivals and wasn't in a rival promotional camp of note.

And as you say, was an over-achieveing middleweight.
I'm not saying Joe ran away....I'm asking why the fkk wasn't that fight made instead of the dross we got. Why was Reid never accomodated - it cant just be because he asked for a decent wage, why not take an out of weight fight with Woods or Johnson or heck Eubank in a rematch ffs?

DavidPayne wrote:

Deserter wrote:

DavidPayne wrote: Fighting Catley, the bloke who knocked out Beyer, in a Bristol/Cardiff face off might have lifted his profile a little, don't ya think?

Not really, especially as he did Glenn in a round in the ams (and that can't be attributed to age, unlike the similar Dean Francis scenario). Catley was a natural middle and while he over-achieved fantastically in fights against Beyer and Lucas (and Woodhall to some degree), he would have been made to measure for Calzaghe.

People, people, people.

I'm not saying Glen beats him.

I'm saying Joe fought doughnuts from Arizona and mechanics from Mexico and Kazakstan (sp) when he had on his doorstep a fellow champion, who held a win over one of Joe's rivals and wasn't in a rival promotional camp of note.

And as you say, was an over-achieveing middleweight.
I'm not saying Joe ran away....I'm asking why the fkk wasn't that fight made instead of the dross we got. Why was Reid never accomodated - it cant just be because he asked for a decent wage, why not take an out of weight fight with Woods or Johnson or heck Eubank in a rematch ffs?

I'm cross threading a bit here. But Catley is always the one I think of...not Ottke and Beyer...because there seemed no obsacle to it and it was exactly the type of fifhgt Calzaghe claimed to crave....

He talks retrospectively now about wanting unification fights, but he's as much to blame as anyone for not making them.

It was 9 years between beating Eubank and Lacy.

During that time there were 3 (!) holders of the WBC belt who shared the same promoter as JC. He fought two of them after they'd lost (although they were building Woodhall as he defended against Nardiello on the UC of Calzaghe/Reid but then lost to Malinga).

A fight with Beyer who held that title for years would have been easy to make as he'd already fought twice against fighters who shared the same promoter.

The WBA title was probably doable while Liles held it, as he fought on cards at the point that his promoter and DK had a "special relationship". He fought the guy that beat Liles, but only after Ottke had beaten him. He also fought Brewer after he'd lost his title to Ottke.

He seemed unwilling to travel or take on the best available to him (some were only a short train ride away) as if somehow he was the best in the division and people should queue up to fight him.

Hypothetical threads bore me to tears.

The reason i never registered for ESB.

G0mez wrote:Hypothetical threads bore me to tears.

The reason i never registered for ESB.

what's esb??

hurlock wrote:

G0mez wrote:Hypothetical threads bore me to tears.

The reason i never registered for ESB.

what's esb??

ze german owned east snide bollocks

Captain Hook wrote:

hurlock wrote:

kingfinn wrote: He said as a champion he has the self belief that he could get in the ring with the klitschkos and find a way to win.

What he was saying is he believes he could get in the ring with anyone and win - thats a champions mentality.

until he get's hit

jc would get spanked from pillar to post, he never had the smart's to compete against a big heavy :!:

what would he do???? jump in & out with flurry's or even pressure & outwork them D jc was a talent but he never had that ability :!:
let's not get carried away he scraped a lhw world title against a 43 yr old career middleweight.

Come on that's a very narrow minded post.

Kessler, Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Hopkins..... etc? They get overlooked......

He fought Jones a couple of years ago, do you think Green is getting this much stick, and how about Hopkins?

fornicating Tarver had done nothing before beating a faded Jones.

Give the guy a break, he's retired, it's boring now......

Green never wrote a book in which he claimed he would never fight an over the hill Roy Jones. Green was the underdog going into the Jones fight.

Hardly anyone took the Green or Hopkins fights seriously, and hardly anyone (outside Australia) gave them credit for beating Jones. It was a pathetic way to go out, especially when you consider Calzaghe stated on record that he would not fight a shot Roy Jones. That said, his wins over Hopkins and Kessler are impressive, and there are other solid results on Calzaghe's record. Lacy was a good-- but not great win, because he was an average champion at best. The fact that people believed the hype does not mean the hype was true--Jeff Lacy was never a great fighter and had never done anything to suggest he was.

As far as JC at cruiserweight goes, I think he would have some success and beat a couple decent names, but would struggle with the best. Erdei, who is a small LHW, beat Fragomeni fair and square, so I have no doubts JC could have done the same. Fragomeni was a poor champion however, and I think guys like Haye, Mormeck, Bell, Jirov, and Adamek would beat Joe.I also believe cruiserweights like Lebedev or Huck would have defeated the 2008 version of Calzaghe.

G0mez wrote:Hypothetical threads bore me to tears.

The reason i never registered for ESB.

Thats a fair point which I accept.

And yes - ESB is terrible for threads like that - the General Forum mainly.

Pages and pages of how Ali's jab could have countered Holyfields right hand.

And how Salvador Sanchezs chin would have stood up to Nazs leap uppercut.

And how Joe Calzaghe would have had trouble with Marvin Haglers southpaw stance.

etc
etc
etc

just total random stuff that can and will never be proven either way.

I recall seeing Eastman asking Joe Calzaghe to fight him on BBC in 2002. Why didn't this fight happen?

Obviously because 'Joe was a coward'

calzaghe is not humble in the slightest, i think his cock song tell's you that.