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Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:32
by orbtastic
I thnk so long as we get to watch at least some of the top guys face each other, no matter what the outcome, format or net result - We need to see those fights.

Otherwise you end up like we did in the mid-late 90s onwards where you had paper champs defending their titles against a steady stream of promoter manipulated rankings and the top guys who clearly do have talent, NOT facing each other.

You can't have everyone face each other, that's just not realistic.

I mean, people talk about the golden TV age of the middleweights where Hagler/Hearns/SRL/Duran all faced each other...which in reality they did, but you have to look at it objectively and say that at least three of those fights had a slight stench about them and they also spanned nearly a decade...I mean, if those fights all happened in 12-24 months like everyone seems to want these fights to happen, you'd have at least one fighter having his career cut short and the overall legacy of maybe 2 of them being tarnished perhaps.

You need to build fighters and careers, but at the same time, not let them stagnate and feast on easy fights.

If this were a straight elim. tourney, then Dirrell would already be out and wouldn't have won by DQ to AA. Kessler would be out and have no world title. Froch would still have his title and fighting who? AA?

People would still be saying Froch fight Dirrell, AD would be moaning that he should still be unbeaten blah blah. Kessler would be on the outside looking in (no pun intended) and many people would have condemned him as finished etc.

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:45
by Counter-puncher
hmm yeh, aye, all this ^^^ = super six as a compromise formation. compromise formations never fully satisfy everyone. I like it.

i'm a supporter but then i'm the original dewy-eyed optimist.

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:48
by Autobarn
i agree with whoever said it has made abraham, ward etc come out of their comfort zones.

so, shall we hope that green is booted out, that kessler doesn't gte replaced, and that we get 2 semi finals froch v abraham and ward v dirrell?

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 05:51
by orbtastic
I have no problem with that concept.

I think the result of Froch/AD made him fight differently, not so sure it's the tournament per se...but you could definitely argue that he probably would not have gone in with someone like AA in his next fight.

I thought the two Dres were not keen on fighting each other? Some hubris and flim flam about purses and venues?

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 07:06
by mickey1975
orbtastic wrote:I have no problem with that concept.

I think the result of Froch/AD made him fight differently, not so sure it's the tournament per se...but you could definitely argue that he probably would not have gone in with someone like AA in his next fight.

I thought the two Dres were not keen on fighting each other? Some hubris and flim flam about purses and venues?
And they are good friends

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 08:46
by THEBUTCH
I didn't read the original article properly and thought Kessler had retired from boxing, but simply withdrawing is dodgy to say the least. Maybe he has realised he's bitten off more than he can chew, and for Kessler to say he was on his way to winning the Super 6 is complete bollocks. He had just barely clung on to a lifeline by squeezing past Froch.

Froch v Abraham should be for the vacant WBC belt (not interim crap please), Alan Green was fortunate to be drafted in, so should be removed.

Logically, like several posters have said, the semi finals should be next : Froch v Abraham. Ward v Dirrel.

This tournament was all about "last man standing", if boxers can't hack the heat, the others remaining shouldn't have to suffer as a result.

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 08:53
by Asterix
THEBUTCH wrote:I didn't read the original article properly and thought Kessler had retired from boxing, but simply withdrawing is dodgy to say the least. Maybe he has realised he's bitten off more than he can chew, and for Kessler to say he was on his way to winning the Super 6 is complete bollocks. He had just barely clung on to a lifeline by squeezing past Froch.

Froch v Abraham should be for the vacant WBC belt (not interim crap please), Alan Green was fortunate to be drafted in, so should be removed.

Logically, like several posters have said, the semi finals should be next : Froch v Abraham. Ward v Dirrel.

This tournament was all about "last man standing", if boxers can't hack the heat, the others remaining shouldn't have to suffer as a result.
This could be the end of the road for Kessler. We won't know until next year.

Froch vs Abraham will be for the vacant WBC title. Green is probably going to also withdraw, which would leave the remaining fights as semi-finals.

Re: Kessler withdraws from Super Six

Posted: 26 Aug 2010, 13:26
by Autobarn
froch-pascal 2 would have been a very nice idea. but few probably would have banked on a pascal win over dawson. and pascal only has a one fight window before he has to rematch dawson. also, froch would probably have been slated as a "coward" had he not entered the super 6, and he wouldn't have been getting the guaranteed US TV dates and the paydays that come with them.