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I think by the responses from this topic that a lot of people forget that these 2 have sparred for years together. Not that I'm saying Harrison WILL win, but you are deluded if you believe he hasen't got a chance. It's a rediculous statement. Of course he has a chance, and a decent chance IMO. They've sparred for years and Harrison believes he's got his number. I don't belive he's got his number, because he's a wonderful talent, but he has a good chance to keep it tight because Haye will obviously be looking to DO IT early, and by the common view in this thread he will succeed, but that plays into Harrisons hands. He'll keep it tight early and look for Haye walking on to one, which very well COULD happen.

Peace.

tntround1 wrote: I think by the responses from this topic that a lot of people forget that these 2 have sparred for years together. Not that I'm saying Harrison WILL win, but you are deluded if you believe he hasen't got a chance. It's a rediculous statement. Of course he has a chance, and a decent chance IMO. They've sparred for years and Harrison believes he's got his number. I don't belive he's got his number, because he's a wonderful talent, but he has a good chance to keep it tight because Haye will obviously be looking to DO IT early, and by the common view in this thread he will succeed, but that plays into Harrisons hands. He'll keep it tight early and look for Haye walking on to one, which very well COULD happen.

Peace.

Some people just can not listen to commonsense!

Crusader being one of them!

tntround1 wrote:I think by the responses from this topic that a lot of people forget that these 2 have sparred for years together. Not that I'm saying Harrison WILL win, but you are deluded if you believe he hasen't got a chance. It's a rediculous statement. Of course he has a chance, and a decent chance IMO. They've sparred for years and Harrison believes he's got his number. I don't belive he's got his number, because he's a wonderful talent, but he has a good chance to keep it tight because Haye will obviously be looking to DO IT early, and by the common view in this thread he will succeed, but that plays into Harrisons hands. He'll keep it tight early and look for Haye walking on to one, which very well COULD happen.

Peace.

Sparring with someone and believing you have their number does not equate to having a decent chance against them. Eddie Chambers was a sparring partner of Wladimir Klitschko’s and he was knocked unconscious after losing every single round. Of course there is a very slim chance Audley lands a big shot on Haye's glass chin, but about 50+ fighters would have that chance against Haye.

I agree with Crease. I see this fight as about 95/5 in Haye’s favor.

crusader wrote:

tntround1 wrote:I think by the responses from this topic that a lot of people forget that these 2 have sparred for years together. Not that I'm saying Harrison WILL win, but you are deluded if you believe he hasen't got a chance. It's a rediculous statement. Of course he has a chance, and a decent chance IMO. They've sparred for years and Harrison believes he's got his number. I don't belive he's got his number, because he's a wonderful talent, but he has a good chance to keep it tight because Haye will obviously be looking to DO IT early, and by the common view in this thread he will succeed, but that plays into Harrisons hands. He'll keep it tight early and look for Haye walking on to one, which very well COULD happen.

Peace.

I agree with Crease. I see this fight as about 95/5 in Haye’s favor.

Similies are always the last resort for someone who can't make a good point.

crusader wrote:Similies are always the last resort for someone who can't make a good point.

95/5? Are you nuts? This is not a prime RJJ vs Ricky Hatton.

Get real!

The only chance Harrison has is to land a big punch. Considering he hardly throws anything and Haye has avoided similar shots from better opponents in his last few fights, I don't see Harrison doing it. Haye is not a Sprott or a Williams.

Again, there is always the possibility for it to happen, but it is very small. Harrison has tricked many people into believing he can defeat the third best heavyweight in the world, yet he couldn't even beat the fringe contender Domnick Guinn or EBU level fighters like Sprott and Rogan. Audley has certainly done a good job hyping himself.

crusader wrote:The only chance Harrison has is to land a big punch. Considering he hardly throws anything and Haye has avoided similar shots from better opponents in his last few fights, I don't see Harrison doing it. Haye is not a Sprott or a Williams.

Again, there is always the possibility for it to happen, but it is very small. Harrison has tricked many people into believing he can defeat the third best heavyweight in the world, yet he couldn't even beat the fringe contender Domnick Guinn or EBU level fighters like Sprott and Rogan. Audley has certainly done a good job hyping himself.

95/5?

If that were the case the match would not be sanctioned even as voluntary.

Admit it, 95/5 is nonsense.

Ruiz and Valuev are slow as snails and you know it - not hard to avoid their shots.

Ruiz and Valuev are better fighters than Harrison, who has never been very fast himself. Check their resumes and you will see they are capable of beating world class opponents and being competative in defeat. 95/5 is not nonsense. Harrison's only chance is to KO Haye with a big shot. He has a very narrow pathway to victory. Harrison is not the type to let the big punches fly or take any sort of chance, and Haye is much faster and ellusive than anyone Audley has faced, so Harrison's punchers chance is a weak one.

crusader wrote:Ruiz and Valuev are better fighters than Harrison, who has never been very fast himself. Check their resumes and you will see they are capable of beating world class opponents and being competative in defeat. 95/5 is not nonsense. Harrison's only chance is to KO Haye with a big shot. He has a very narrow pathway to victory. Harrison is not the type to let the big punches fly or take any sort of chance, and Haye is much faster and ellusive than anyone Audley has faced, so Harrison's punchers chance is a weak one.

So, how much money are you putting on this 'sure thing'?

95/5? Give me strength!

It's not a sure thing. I'm giving Audley a small chance to win.

crusader wrote:It's not a sure thing. I'm giving Audley a small chance to win.

95/5????

Do you understand how RICH we would all be if we took those odds on fights?

You wont bet because AH has a 'small' chance? You need help.The reason you will not bet is because you know its nowhere 95/5!!

Harrison was the same as an amateur as he is now. He would go somewhere like Odessa in some Euro box off - get hammered off the likes of Samil Sam and make a ton of excuses why he lost. He was lucky to get to the olympics but then he goes and wins it.

Audley is an intensely arrogant man who thinks all he needs to do is to turn up to win and when he is favourite - he seems to labour to a points win/loss. When no-one is giving him a chance he will go balls to the wall and win!

Harrison is not going to beat Haye but he will give Haye a hard scrap - too much pride on the line here for Audley to turn up anything but focused. He will give Haye tons of trouble, drop him for a count and will be leading on the scorecards before being stopped in around 9 rouunds - it will be something like Bruno/Lewis. Haye will prevail but Harrison will give him absolute grief before the end. Anyone who thinks it will be a Haye two round job are barking mad.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:Harrison was the same as an amateur as he is now. He would go somewhere like Odessa in some Euro box off - get hammered off the likes of Samil Sam and make a ton of excuses why he lost. He was lucky to get to the olympics but then he goes and wins it.

Audley is an intensely arrogant man who thinks all he needs to do is to turn up to win and when he is favourite - he seems to labour to a points win/loss. When no-one is giving him a chance he will go balls to the wall and win!

Harrison is not going to beat Haye but he will give Haye a hard scrap - too much pride on the line here for Audley to turn up anything but focused. He will give Haye tons of trouble, drop him for a count and will be leading on the scorecards before being stopped in around 9 rouunds - it will be something like Bruno/Lewis. Haye will prevail but Harrison will give him absolute grief before the end. Anyone who thinks it will be a Haye two round job are barking mad.

So nowhere near 95/5 then?

Othello wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:Harrison was the same as an amateur as he is now. He would go somewhere like Odessa in some Euro box off - get hammered off the likes of Samil Sam and make a ton of excuses why he lost. He was lucky to get to the olympics but then he goes and wins it.

Audley is an intensely arrogant man who thinks all he needs to do is to turn up to win and when he is favourite - he seems to labour to a points win/loss. When no-one is giving him a chance he will go balls to the wall and win!

Harrison is not going to beat Haye but he will give Haye a hard scrap - too much pride on the line here for Audley to turn up anything but focused. He will give Haye tons of trouble, drop him for a count and will be leading on the scorecards before being stopped in around 9 rouunds - it will be something like Bruno/Lewis. Haye will prevail but Harrison will give him absolute grief before the end. Anyone who thinks it will be a Haye two round job are barking mad.

So nowhere near 95/5 then?

60/40 - Harrison stands a big chance here and will be commited and focused. People on here are letting their dislike for Harrison cloud their judgement.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:Harrison was the same as an amateur as he is now. He would go somewhere like Odessa in some Euro box off - get hammered off the likes of Samil Sam and make a ton of excuses why he lost. He was lucky to get to the olympics but then he goes and wins it.

Audley is an intensely arrogant man who thinks all he needs to do is to turn up to win and when he is favourite - he seems to labour to a points win/loss. When no-one is giving him a chance he will go balls to the wall and win!

Harrison is not going to beat Haye but he will give Haye a hard scrap - too much pride on the line here for Audley to turn up anything but focused. He will give Haye tons of trouble, drop him for a count and will be leading on the scorecards before being stopped in around 9 rouunds - it will be something like Bruno/Lewis. Haye will prevail but Harrison will give him absolute grief before the end. Anyone who thinks it will be a Haye two round job are barking mad.

I honestly believe Audley Harrison has enough talent to make it a decent fight - but what contradicts that is the way Audley suffers from nerves and goes into his shell as soon as he steps through the ropes for the fight - David Haye is just the sort of fighter that loves someone being nervous as he will pounce on them quicker that sh*t coming off a shovel.

The chance I would have given Audley Harrison is similar to the one that Carl Thompson had prior to his fight with Haye - but alas for Audley - David Haye has come on leaps and bounds from the mistakes he made in that fight - and thus I really am clutching at straws what feasible chance Audley Harrison has - I simply cannot make a case for him.

jameswilson wrote:You do know that Hide smacked a woman that night.

No he didn't. The woman in question was screeching at him from behind, standing on a table, and continually poking him in the back. Hide didn't even look who was doing it, just pushed away from behind with one hand. Unfortunately for him, yes, it was a woman (all dolled up, who went off the table legs akimbo), and yes it was the catalyst, but to say he "smacked her" is an exagerration. He didn't even look at her.

After it all calmed down, I later overheard her regaling a group of chivalrous guys as to how Hide kicked her in the head after she went down, prompting them to vow "We'll get 'im, love, don't you worry".

Given how the riot kicked off literally within a second or two of that happening, and with Hide not even knowing who he'd pushed, I very much doubt he had the time nor the nous to actively seek out the same woman and "kick her in the head". It was essentially an accident and, while obviously not very nice for her, she was definitely grandstanding afterwards.

Othello wrote:The longer Haye stays out of the ring AND continues to slow down I believe the fight evens up.

They've both been out of the ring for the same time (since April), and Audley's been injured to boot.

oliverfennell wrote:

jameswilson wrote:You do know that Hide smacked a woman that night.

No he didn't. The woman in question was screeching at him from behind, standing on a table, and continually poking him in the back. Hide didn't even look who was doing it, just pushed away from behind with one hand. Unfortunately for him, yes, it was a woman (all dolled up, who went off the table legs akimbo), and yes it was the catalyst, but to say he "smacked her" is an exagerration. He didn't even look at her.

After it all calmed down, I later overheard her regaling a group of chivalrous guys as to how Hide kicked her in the head after she went down, prompting them to vow "We'll get 'im, love, don't you worry".

Given how the riot kicked off literally within a second or two of that happening, and with Hide not even knowing who he'd pushed, I very much doubt he had the time nor the nous to actively seek out the same woman and "kick her in the head". It was essentially an accident and, while obviously not very nice for her, she was definitely grandstanding afterwards.

Just a case of crap security ( that Audley later sacked even though they were his friends!) and a bunch of idiots looking for an excuse to jump a Boxer would would knock them out one on one ( Herbie).

Herbie can be a d--k - but it was way OTT.

Haye Vs Audley? 60/40.

oliverfennell wrote:

Othello wrote:The longer Haye stays out of the ring AND continues to slow down I believe the fight evens up.

They've both been out of the ring for the same time (since April), and Audley's been injured to boot.

But Haye relies more on his speed and timing than Audley does. And I really doubt Hayes stamina with the increased weight, he is not longer a trim cruiser of a trim heavy.

Crease wrote:Didn't Danny Williams destory him with a big overhand right?

No.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

Othello wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:Harrison was the same as an amateur as he is now. He would go somewhere like Odessa in some Euro box off - get hammered off the likes of Samil Sam and make a ton of excuses why he lost. He was lucky to get to the olympics but then he goes and wins it.

Audley is an intensely arrogant man who thinks all he needs to do is to turn up to win and when he is favourite - he seems to labour to a points win/loss. When no-one is giving him a chance he will go balls to the wall and win!

Harrison is not going to beat Haye but he will give Haye a hard scrap - too much pride on the line here for Audley to turn up anything but focused. He will give Haye tons of trouble, drop him for a count and will be leading on the scorecards before being stopped in around 9 rouunds - it will be something like Bruno/Lewis. Haye will prevail but Harrison will give him absolute grief before the end. Anyone who thinks it will be a Haye two round job are barking mad.

So nowhere near 95/5 then?

60/40 - Harrison stands a big chance here and will be commited and focused. People on here are letting their dislike for Harrison cloud their judgement.

Harrison has never been in the ring with a top ten fighter. He has lost to a fringe contender and three EBU level fighters. You could even make a case that George Arias did enough to earn a draw. Almost every fighter that is given a shot at a world title is motivated. Simply being pumped up for the night does not mean a significant gap in talent and skill can be overcome. Do you really think Haye is going to be less motivated or in anything but excellent shape?

To say people are predicting a decided Haye victory because they are blinded by a dislike of Audley is laughable. I for one have no problems with Audley, and would like to see him score an upset. People who see this as a one-sided fight for Haye are doing so because the have actually taken the time out to look at each fighter’s record and watch some of their bouts. Then it becomes clear why Harrison is getting knocked unconscious by the likes of Sprott and losing to guys like Martin Rogan, while Haye was the number one cruiserweight of a decade and now a world champion at heavyweight.

I for one don’t see how a fight between an average EBU level fighter who has never beaten an opponent in the top 20 and someone who is top three in the world is 60/40. I don’t necessarily think Haye will win in two rounds, but he will thoroughly dominate and score a stoppage at some point. I would be surprised if it went past eight.

Well,its certainly caught our imagination,hasnt it?By November we will all be as excited as Benn-Eubank!

Calm down Crusader.

Its no way 95/5!

mickey1975 wrote:Well,its certainly caught our imagination,hasnt it?By November we will all be as excited as Benn-Eubank!

Yes we will!