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slapbangwhallop wrote: No actually I think you are missing the point.

He fought two weeks ago, if this was his only fight of the year (or even six months) then fair enough but it aint.

No, you're definitely missing the point. If this fight was a 'one-off' that was sandwiched between meaningful bouts that would be one thing, but ALL of his fights this year have been of this calibre.

We'll see how well this kind of fight prepares a boxer for "bigger things to come" when Shannon Briggs fight Vitali Klitschko.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

you really are a boring tedious *%$@ arnt you!

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

you really are a boring tedious *%$@ arnt you!

dutchie wrote:

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

Piss poor opponents get slated, whatever the nationality of who they're fighting. Comparing it to the Hatton situation is pointless.

If there is method to the madness, so be it, but until its made clear you can not expect anything other than a slagging of this opponent surely? I can think of prospects who'd be slated for fighting that level of competition. And no, it doesn't bother me who he fights, but to come on here and make out he is being singled out because his Irish is ridiculous.

Oh and for the record, I'm Irish

dutchie wrote:

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

poor comparison but I understand your point.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

dutchie wrote:

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

poor comparison but I understand your point.

I'm glad you do, because no-one else does. Anyone who'd been on this forum during Hatton's ascent would have seen regular criticism of some of his opponents, while criticism of other fighters has been vitriolic at times.
Let me be perfectly explicit about this - no fighter with Lee's skill and record would escape a barrage of criticism if he chose to face a 40-year-old who had lost his last five fights and been stopped in four of them, REGARDLESS of his nationality.
The only prejudice on display here are those who are defending Lee on the basis of his nationality alone.

Deserter wrote: I'm glad you do, because no-one else does. Anyone who'd been on this forum during Hatton's ascent would have seen regular criticism of some of his opponents, while criticism of other fighters has been vitriolic at times.

Let me be perfectly explicit about this - no fighter with Lee's skill and record would escape a barrage of criticism if he chose to face a 40-year-old who had lost his last five fights and been stopped in four of them, REGARDLESS of his nationality.

The only prejudice on display here are those who are defending Lee on the basis of his nationality alone.

speaking on everyone elses behalf now are you?

he has a point...hatton was attacked over and again about his level of oppenents, fighting ray oliveira for example..compared to this guy oliveria is the 2nd coming of Henry armstrong.

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Deserter wrote: I'm glad you do, because no-one else does. Anyone who'd been on this forum during Hatton's ascent would have seen regular criticism of some of his opponents, while criticism of other fighters has been vitriolic at times.

Let me be perfectly explicit about this - no fighter with Lee's skill and record would escape a barrage of criticism if he chose to face a 40-year-old who had lost his last five fights and been stopped in four of them, REGARDLESS of his nationality.

The only prejudice on display here are those who are defending Lee on the basis of his nationality alone.

speaking on everyone elses behalf now are you?

Well look at the thread - it's pretty clear where sentiments lie. And to be honest, focusing on that and ignoring the main points of my post only serves to illustrate how tenuous your position is.

sg1985 wrote:The lad said the last few weeks, I think he was referring to the NOTW coke stuff.

theres been plenty of people condemning it then...fella should try reading before posting crap.

Deserter wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Deserter wrote: I'm glad you do, because no-one else does. Anyone who'd been on this forum during Hatton's ascent would have seen regular criticism of some of his opponents, while criticism of other fighters has been vitriolic at times.

Let me be perfectly explicit about this - no fighter with Lee's skill and record would escape a barrage of criticism if he chose to face a 40-year-old who had lost his last five fights and been stopped in four of them, REGARDLESS of his nationality.

The only prejudice on display here are those who are defending Lee on the basis of his nationality alone.

speaking on everyone elses behalf now are you?

Well look at the thread - it's pretty clear where sentiments lie. And to be honest, focusing on that and ignoring the main points of my post only serves to illustrate how tenuous your position is.

What position am I taking that is tenuous

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

dutchie wrote:The end justifies the means---------------------------------big things to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

misticmonk wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

dutchie wrote:The end justifies the means---------------------------------big things to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

That mind reading talent you have got can make you a fortune you know!

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Deserter wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote: speaking on everyone elses behalf now are you?

Well look at the thread - it's pretty clear where sentiments lie. And to be honest, focusing on that and ignoring the main points of my post only serves to illustrate how tenuous your position is.

What position am I taking that is tenuous

The inference that the negative posts about Lee are driven by his nationality rather than his appalling run of opponents this year.

misticmonk wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

dutchie wrote:The end justifies the means---------------------------------big things to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

"no finer race of man to ever peel a potato," as john hurt's characters says in the aussie western The Proposition

Autobarn wrote:

misticmonk wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote: No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

"no finer race of man to ever peel a potato," as john hurt's characters says in the aussie western The Proposition

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

misticmonk wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote: No it doesn't! When Frank Bruno fought the likes of Chuck Gardner and Reggie Gross it hindered his progress and Bruno lost confidence fighting these men knowing that his managment didn't believe in him enough to put him in with someone half decent - so when he ended up fighting the likes of Tyson - he lost the fight before he got in the ring.

Every time a critique of Lee or another Irish boxer comes up - Boxrecs own IRA (Irish Remedial Army) come up swinging, even if they know our critique has gravitas.

And I am not biased against the Irish - even some of my best mates have Irish friends!

Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

That mind reading talent you have got can make you a fortune you know!

A closed mind is unlikely to grow. You could use more light.

misticmonk wrote:

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

misticmonk wrote:
Your not biased I've got nothing against the Irish, I think everyone should have one

That mind reading talent you have got can make you a fortune you know!

A closed mind is unlikely to grow. You could use more light.

Oh, I am really open minded allright - just ask my missus! 8)

Deserter wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:

Deserter wrote: Well look at the thread - it's pretty clear where sentiments lie. And to be honest, focusing on that and ignoring the main points of my post only serves to illustrate how tenuous your position is.

What position am I taking that is tenuous

The inference that the negative posts about Lee are driven by his nationality rather than his appalling run of opponents this year.

which post was that in? I think that somewhere in all your misguided rage you seem to have gotten a tad confused.

Anyway, I think I'll leave this thread to die now that the 'Brains of Britain' have arrived.

dutchie wrote:

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

he only did a bit of sniff you tart, fix up. and i slag of alot of english boxers, some of them post on ere

slapbangwhallop wrote:

dutchie wrote:

HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:any lee is a joke.

I didn't see too many so called english boxing fans coming out slating the disgraceful Hitman Hatton in the last few weeks,ye seem to be selective in your slagging of certain boxers from outside the union.

poor comparison but I understand your point.

slap have you not seen my arguments with smigga

slapbangwhallop wrote:which post was that in? I think that somewhere in all your misguided rage you seem to have gotten a tad confused.

Anyway, I think I'll leave this thread to die now that the 'Brains of Britain' have arrived.

Rage? I think there are plenty of articulate points in this thread, both by myself and others. As for misguided, your irrational defence of Lee is the only thing that fits that criteria. Unless your eyesight rivals Stevie Wonder's, it was clear I was responding to the post where you stated that you understood dutchie's point, where he clearly implied that there was a disproportionate level of criticism directed at fighters from Ireland (which has already been proven to be utter nonsense on this thread).
In a bid to draw one sensible response from you I'll ask you to answer this one question honestly, given you've ducked just about any other question thrown at you in recent posts:
If a fighter of another nationality with Andy Lee's record and potential was involved in the same series of utter mismatches, would you be so 'animated' in your defence of said boxer?
Please try to answer properly for once Slap as your responses to date on this thread are dangerously close to consigning you to 'laughing joke of Boxrec' status...

Deserter wrote:

slapbangwhallop wrote:which post was that in? I think that somewhere in all your misguided rage you seem to have gotten a tad confused.

Anyway, I think I'll leave this thread to die now that the 'Brains of Britain' have arrived.

Rage? I think there are plenty of articulate points in this thread, both by myself and others. As for misguided, your irrational defence of Lee is the only thing that fits that criteria. Unless your eyesight rivals Stevie Wonder's, it was clear I was responding to the post where you stated that you understood dutchie's point, where he clearly implied that there was a disproportionate level of criticism directed at fighters from Ireland (which has already been proven to be utter nonsense on this thread).
In a bid to draw one sensible response from you I'll ask you to answer this one question honestly, given you've ducked just about any other question thrown at you in recent posts:
If a fighter of another nationality with Andy Lee's record and potential was involved in the same series of utter mismatches, would you be so 'animated' in your defence of said boxer?
Please try to answer properly for once Slap as your responses to date on this thread are dangerously close to consigning you to 'laughing joke of Boxrec' status...

Yer talkin out yer arse hombre. I havent defend this fight as being a competative encounter so back your truck up there He-Man.

I think you are getting your knickers in a twist over nothing to be honest.