Not even close to the most shocking thing in recent history if you're going to take an objective, dispassionate view:G0mez wrote:It makes me wonder if people realise that the most shocking thing in recent history, certainly of our era - is the Twin Towers bombings and the devastation it caused.
9/11 was caused by the US Government. The US has a history of attacking itself in order to get support so to attack the targets they wish without any questions, they have a so called reason then. The US Government does not care about its 'people' just like our Government does not care about us. They're in the big club, and we aint in it. We are only shown what the media shows and what the media shows is controlled by the Governments. Look at the Wikileaks reports which are now being exposed. We didn't hear anything like that in the normal everyday media, now truth is being leaked out there is panic in the Government saying that it puts our forces at risk, well if wrong actions hadn't or happen in the first place then they would be no reports to leak and nothing to panic about.G0mez wrote:It makes me wonder if people realise that the most shocking thing in recent history, certainly of our era - is the Twin Towers bombings and the devastation it caused.
The way it burned for hours and then collapsed killing many more innocent people. Then the other bastards in the air trying and succeeding to blow up / crash jets across the rest of America.
People forget, this atrocity happened BEFORE it was announced that they would be entering Iraq and Afghan.
Two countries with diabolical human rights records. Literally in the dark ages with peasant villages hording heroin, rockets and ammo - even the concern of nuclear or biological weopans of mass destruction.
The west are endeavouring to put diplomatic proceedings in place. Sure, there are civilian casualites along the road and even allied casualities from friendly fire - but did anyone expect anything less ?
Like i said - Twin Towers came before the invasion... did they expect America to do fook all ?
And thats without mentioning the poor souls in London who perished in the terrorist bombings.
I read some posts and think some people should go themselves off back to these peasant villages, where women are stoned to death and a man is rewarded with a 100 virgins for mutilating / castrating his teenage daughters vagina so she may never enjoy a sex life. Where it is legally acceptable to beat a woman, as long as you dont mark her face. Where people crap in the street - and then realise what we have in the UK is pretty good.
No I wouldn’t class the RA as catholicists as their stated aims were a united Ireland….not the imposition of a catholic caliphate across the world.Des1 wrote:What infact do you define as an 'Islamist'? Would you define a member of the IRA as an 'Catholicist'? No, I fall into no trap at all, as persecution and attempted control by the West in the East has been going on long before the Iraq invasionsDEKKER87 wrote:what does that have to do with Small being an Islamic Fascist?Des1 wrote:So do you all feel that the the invasions in the Middle East is right?
don't fall into the trap of thinking that the invasion of iraq is the reason that Islamists exist.
Oh I see!! You’re actually mad.Des1 wrote:9/11 was caused by the US Government. The US has a history of attacking itself in order to get support so to attack the targets they wish without any questions, they have a so called reason then. The US Government does not care about its 'people' just like our Government does not care about us. They're in the big club, and we aint in it. We are only shown what the media shows and what the media shows is controlled by the Governments. Look at the Wikileaks reports which are now being exposed. We didn't hear anything like that in the normal everyday media, now truth is being leaked out there is panic in the Government saying that it puts our forces at risk, well if wrong actions hadn't or happen in the first place then they would be no reports to leak and nothing to panic about.G0mez wrote:It makes me wonder if people realise that the most shocking thing in recent history, certainly of our era - is the Twin Towers bombings and the devastation it caused.
The way it burned for hours and then collapsed killing many more innocent people. Then the other bastards in the air trying and succeeding to blow up / crash jets across the rest of America.
People forget, this atrocity happened BEFORE it was announced that they would be entering Iraq and Afghan.
Two countries with diabolical human rights records. Literally in the dark ages with peasant villages hording heroin, rockets and ammo - even the concern of nuclear or biological weopans of mass destruction.
The west are endeavouring to put diplomatic proceedings in place. Sure, there are civilian casualites along the road and even allied casualities from friendly fire - but did anyone expect anything less ?
Like i said - Twin Towers came before the invasion... did they expect America to do fook all ?
And thats without mentioning the poor souls in London who perished in the terrorist bombings.
I read some posts and think some people should go themselves off back to these peasant villages, where women are stoned to death and a man is rewarded with a 100 virgins for mutilating / castrating his teenage daughters vagina so she may never enjoy a sex life. Where it is legally acceptable to beat a woman, as long as you dont mark her face. Where people crap in the street - and then realise what we have in the UK is pretty good.
Also, 9/11 happened after the 1st Gulf invasion. After 9/11 it was said that the master mind was a sandle wearing old man holed up in a cave in Afghanistan that was the the the reason to invade Afghanistan, then without any result in Afghan the invasion moved onto Iraq, why? Never bothered the US or our Government that Saddam was ruling there before. So we fight Iraq with Iraq using weapons that we and the US sold them!
The buildings of 9/11 would not have come down the way they did if just a planewent into them. There are many reports of Fire Fighters hearing explosives going off in the buildings, A building even collasped without anything hitting it building No.7 its refered to I belief.
Amazing also that the only things recovered from the planes was ID's of the so called high jackers, I'd like to know what their passports was made of survivng that heat which even melted metal!! And no other passports survived the heat! There is no record of the so called High Jackers booking in on the planes. How can that be?
cite examples.The US has a history of attacking itself in order to get support so to attack the targets they wish without any questions, they have a so called reason then.
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Look at the Wikileaks reports which are now being exposed. We didn't hear anything like that in the normal everyday media, they are worried about Iraqi sympathisers…not out forces per se.now truth is being leaked out there is panic in the Government saying that it puts our forces at risk
There was no invasion in 1991 other than the Iraqi one into Kuwait. The actions taken by the UN were fully supported by all of iraq’s neighbours at the time.Also, 9/11 happened after the 1st Gulf invasion.
Because one of the central tenets of war is that you choose your battlefield. Bin Laden thinks he brought about the destruction of the soviet union via the war in Afghanistan…and so wanted to entice the US into a land war on the same terrain. Rather than do so the US invaded the rogue state of Iraq…where al-qaeda did indeed enter into battle with US forces.After 9/11 it was said that the master mind was a sandle wearing old man holed up in a cave in Afghanistan that was the the the reason to invade Afghanistan, then without any result in Afghan the invasion moved onto Iraq, why?
No fly zone mean anything to you? The UN sanctions?Never bothered the US or our Government that Saddam was ruling there before.
If we heard in the every day media of what was leaked by WikiLeaks why the issue and uproar that reports have been leaked?.DEKKER87 wrote:cite examples.The US has a history of attacking itself in order to get support so to attack the targets they wish without any questions, they have a so called reason then.
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Look at the Wikileaks reports which are now being exposed. We didn't hear anything like that in the normal everyday media,
they are worried about Iraqi sympathisers…not out forces per se.now truth is being leaked out there is panic in the Government saying that it puts our forces at risk
There was no invasion in 1991 other than the Iraqi one into Kuwait. The actions taken by the UN were fully supported by all of iraq’s neighbours at the time.Also, 9/11 happened after the 1st Gulf invasion.
Because one of the central tenets of war is that you choose your battlefield. Bin Laden thinks he brought about the destruction of the soviet union via the war in Afghanistan…and so wanted to entice the US into a land war on the same terrain. Rather than do so the US invaded the rogue state of Iraq…where al-qaeda did indeed enter into battle with US forces.After 9/11 it was said that the master mind was a sandle wearing old man holed up in a cave in Afghanistan that was the the the reason to invade Afghanistan, then without any result in Afghan the invasion moved onto Iraq, why?
No fly zone mean anything to you? The UN sanctions?Never bothered the US or our Government that Saddam was ruling there before.
So we fight Iraq with Iraq using weapons that we and the US sold them!
Utter nonsense. The weapons were supplied by the French back I 91 nd since then an embargo had been in place regarding arms sales to Iraq.
The buildings of 9/11 would not have come down the way they did if just a planewent into them.
Oh you’re a physicist now too!! Far greater minds than mine or yours have pronounced the evidence that the buildings did indeed fall due to airplane strikes (coupled with the earlier attacks by islamists).
There are many reports of Fire Fighters hearing explosives going off in the buildings,
Oh there you go then!! Two jet airliners hit a building…someone hears some explosions….so they must have been due to explosives!!!
Amazing also that the only things recovered from the planes was ID's of the so called high jackers,
That story is not true.
I didn't say it had anything to do with anything other than Small was protesting againts the Iraq conflict. Iraq or Afghanistan was not imposition of an Islamic caliphate across the world, if thats what your trying to say regarding the IRA and Ireland. The IRA are Catholics and you cant judge all Irish Catholics as IRA. Just as you cant judge all Muslims with terrorist groups.DEKKER87 wrote:No I wouldn’t class the RA as catholicists as their stated aims were a united Ireland….not the imposition of a catholic caliphate across the world.Des1 wrote:What infact do you define as an 'Islamist'? Would you define a member of the IRA as an 'Catholicist'? No, I fall into no trap at all, as persecution and attempted control by the West in the East has been going on long before the Iraq invasionsDEKKER87 wrote: what does that have to do with Small being an Islamic Fascist?
don't fall into the trap of thinking that the invasion of iraq is the reason that Islamists exist.
The aims of an Islamist….by which I mean those who follow wahabist / salafist teachings…are to bring about a worldwide Islamic state and the imposition of sharia law.
Are you really as thick as you’re coming across or are you just tryin extra hard to appear so?
i assume you were also a fan of saddam and his actions.
x2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Des1 wrote:I didn't say it had anything to do with anything other than Small was protesting againts the Iraq conflict. Iraq or Afghanistan was not imposition of an Islamic caliphate across the world, if thats what your trying to say regarding the IRA and Ireland. The IRA are Catholics and you cant judge all Irish Catholics as IRA. Just as you cant judge all Muslims with terrorist groups.DEKKER87 wrote:No I wouldn’t class the RA as catholicists as their stated aims were a united Ireland….not the imposition of a catholic caliphate across the world.Des1 wrote: What infact do you define as an 'Islamist'? Would you define a member of the IRA as an 'Catholicist'? No, I fall into no trap at all, as persecution and attempted control by the West in the East has been going on long before the Iraq invasions
The aims of an Islamist….by which I mean those who follow wahabist / salafist teachings…are to bring about a worldwide Islamic state and the imposition of sharia law.
Are you really as thick as you’re coming across or are you just tryin extra hard to appear so?
i assume you were also a fan of saddam and his actions.
No, your assumtions are wrong. My opinion doesn't mean Im a fan of Saddam
the group that small associates with are islamists. i judge islamists not all muslims. where did i say otherwise?Des1 wrote:I didn't say it had anything to do with anything other than Small was protesting againts the Iraq conflict. Iraq or Afghanistan was not imposition of an Islamic caliphate across the world, if thats what your trying to say regarding the IRA and Ireland. The IRA are Catholics and you cant judge all Irish Catholics as IRA. Just as you cant judge all Muslims with terrorist groups.DEKKER87 wrote:No I wouldn’t class the RA as catholicists as their stated aims were a united Ireland….not the imposition of a catholic caliphate across the world.Des1 wrote: What infact do you define as an 'Islamist'? Would you define a member of the IRA as an 'Catholicist'? No, I fall into no trap at all, as persecution and attempted control by the West in the East has been going on long before the Iraq invasions
The aims of an Islamist….by which I mean those who follow wahabist / salafist teachings…are to bring about a worldwide Islamic state and the imposition of sharia law.
Are you really as thick as you’re coming across or are you just tryin extra hard to appear so?
i assume you were also a fan of saddam and his actions.
No, your assumtions are wrong. My opinion doesn't mean Im a fan of Saddam
Only things intact, was the so called passportssg1985 wrote:I'm not getting into this argument with you, but this part just isn't true. They found lots of things from all different passengers.Des1 wrote: Amazing also that the only things recovered from the planes was ID's of the so called high jackers, I'd like to know what their passports was made of survivng that heat which even melted metal!! And no other passports survived the heat! There is no record of the so called High Jackers booking in on the planes. How can that be?
No, I'm just not a muppet spoon fed by the media......DEKKER87 wrote:Oh I see!! You’re actually mad.Des1 wrote:9/11 was caused by the US Government. The US has a history of attacking itself in order to get support so to attack the targets they wish without any questions, they have a so called reason then. The US Government does not care about its 'people' just like our Government does not care about us. They're in the big club, and we aint in it. We are only shown what the media shows and what the media shows is controlled by the Governments. Look at the Wikileaks reports which are now being exposed. We didn't hear anything like that in the normal everyday media, now truth is being leaked out there is panic in the Government saying that it puts our forces at risk, well if wrong actions hadn't or happen in the first place then they would be no reports to leak and nothing to panic about.G0mez wrote:It makes me wonder if people realise that the most shocking thing in recent history, certainly of our era - is the Twin Towers bombings and the devastation it caused.
The way it burned for hours and then collapsed killing many more innocent people. Then the other bastards in the air trying and succeeding to blow up / crash jets across the rest of America.
People forget, this atrocity happened BEFORE it was announced that they would be entering Iraq and Afghan.
Two countries with diabolical human rights records. Literally in the dark ages with peasant villages hording heroin, rockets and ammo - even the concern of nuclear or biological weopans of mass destruction.
The west are endeavouring to put diplomatic proceedings in place. Sure, there are civilian casualites along the road and even allied casualities from friendly fire - but did anyone expect anything less ?
Like i said - Twin Towers came before the invasion... did they expect America to do fook all ?
And thats without mentioning the poor souls in London who perished in the terrorist bombings.
I read some posts and think some people should go themselves off back to these peasant villages, where women are stoned to death and a man is rewarded with a 100 virgins for mutilating / castrating his teenage daughters vagina so she may never enjoy a sex life. Where it is legally acceptable to beat a woman, as long as you dont mark her face. Where people crap in the street - and then realise what we have in the UK is pretty good.
Also, 9/11 happened after the 1st Gulf invasion. After 9/11 it was said that the master mind was a sandle wearing old man holed up in a cave in Afghanistan that was the the the reason to invade Afghanistan, then without any result in Afghan the invasion moved onto Iraq, why? Never bothered the US or our Government that Saddam was ruling there before. So we fight Iraq with Iraq using weapons that we and the US sold them!
The buildings of 9/11 would not have come down the way they did if just a planewent into them. There are many reports of Fire Fighters hearing explosives going off in the buildings, A building even collasped without anything hitting it building No.7 its refered to I belief.
Amazing also that the only things recovered from the planes was ID's of the so called high jackers, I'd like to know what their passports was made of survivng that heat which even melted metal!! And no other passports survived the heat! There is no record of the so called High Jackers booking in on the planes. How can that be?
Yeah its sick f*cking sick when certain soldiers have abused their position and beat and killed innocents infront of their children.greenyox3 wrote:this was always going to digress into a wider debate about current issues. Whatever your opinion of Iraq & Afghanistan etc, there is a right way & a wrong way to voice it. Standing with "child killer" banners at the repatriation of fallen soldiers in front of widows & fatherless/motherless children is not the right way. In fact, it's f*cking sick.
That's a ridiculous point.Des1 wrote:Yeah its sick f*cking sick when certain soldiers have abused their position and beat and killed innocents infront of their children.greenyox3 wrote:this was always going to digress into a wider debate about current issues. Whatever your opinion of Iraq & Afghanistan etc, there is a right way & a wrong way to voice it. Standing with "child killer" banners at the repatriation of fallen soldiers in front of widows & fatherless/motherless children is not the right way. In fact, it's f*cking sick.
x2SweetLikeSugar wrote:I actually think the loony may have a point. There are literally dozens of things that can't be logically answered regarding the 9/11 attacks, the collapse of WT7 being one of them.
Have an open mind, maaaaaaaaaaaaan.
I quite concur my friend. In these cases we will never know the full truth.hurlock wrote:peasant's will never know the truth :!:
all we no is propaganda & conspiricies.
there is too much political red tape & smoke screen's in place to see or know the truth.
A ridiculous point is it? Who to, those it doesn't effect?SweetLikeSugar wrote:That's a ridiculous point.Des1 wrote:Yeah its sick f*cking sick when certain soldiers have abused their position and beat and killed innocents infront of their children.greenyox3 wrote:this was always going to digress into a wider debate about current issues. Whatever your opinion of Iraq & Afghanistan etc, there is a right way & a wrong way to voice it. Standing with "child killer" banners at the repatriation of fallen soldiers in front of widows & fatherless/motherless children is not the right way. In fact, it's f*cking sick.