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Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 15:48
by SweetLikeSugar
GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

That 9/1 has got to be worth a tenner of anyone's money.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 18:46
by kevinmaree
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 19:30
by bigped
SweetLikeSugar wrote:GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

That 9/1 has got to be worth a tenner of anyone's money.
It will be gettin more than a tenner of my money, kenny will destroy groves come 13th

Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 20:46
by johnnyd1
bigped wrote:SweetLikeSugar wrote:GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

That 9/1 has got to be worth a tenner of anyone's money.
It will be gettin more than a tenner of my money, kenny will destroy groves come 13th

sportingbet took a hiding when they put groves up at 4/6 to beat adamu. they obviously are scared to price him up now and the 1/14 is ridiculous. expect boylesports to go around 1/8
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 21:40
by bigped
johnnyd1 wrote:bigped wrote:SweetLikeSugar wrote:
That 9/1 has got to be worth a tenner of anyone's money.
Is there limits with this sporting bet? or can you put as much as you want with them?
It will be gettin more than a tenner of my money, kenny will destroy groves come 13th

sportingbet took a hiding when they put groves up at 4/6 to beat adamu. they obviously are scared to price him up now and the 1/14 is ridiculous. expect boylesports to go around 1/8
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 01 Nov 2010, 21:56
by Asterix
Smigga wrote:Ben Carey wrote:How many times has Groves been dropped / stopped in the amateurs? I know Travis Dickinson stopped him and that he had to take a knee against Froch in sparring lately.
But other than that? I'd be grateful if people could shed any further light.
I wasn't there Ben so my info is 2nd hand. In my opinion though, this is any boxer and not just Groves - "had to take a knee" means you have your senses and choose to take a knee. Being hit that hard that your senses go and your legs give, dropping to your knee is a different matter. Also you won't see many people taking knees from head shots voluntarily. Normally body shots do that.

Do you know if it was an uppercut? Froch throws a really mean uppercut.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 04:23
by GlobalBox
johnnyd1 wrote:bigped wrote:SweetLikeSugar wrote:
That 9/1 has got to be worth a tenner of anyone's money.
It will be gettin more than a tenner of my money, kenny will destroy groves come 13th

sportingbet took a hiding when they put groves up at 4/6 to beat adamu. they obviously are scared to price him up now and the 1/14 is ridiculous. expect boylesports to go around 1/8
That 4/6 was great I remember it well every time I look at my Fridge/Freezer and Dishwasher that was her indoors presents, she likes me betting now!!
Although the 5/1 Munroe against Martinez in there first fight was just as memorable (that was with Skybet)
1/10 Martinez 5/1 Munroe they opened up - oh happy days!!
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 04:30
by dondada
Smigga wrote:Also you won't see many people taking knees from head shots voluntarily. Normally body shots do that.

I try and take a knee BEFORE receiving a head shot, thereby missing it altogether

Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 06:24
by MightyWarrior
Smigga wrote:
Also you won't see many people taking knees from head shots voluntarily
Funnily enough, that's exactly what his boss did in the Mormeck fight.
I hope the rumours of Groves having a weak chin prove false, as he looks a future world beater if his chin holds up. I've got my doubts too, but only because of the rumours, because we haven't seen anything like that in the ring so far.
The stumble in the US was hard to call, was he hurt, or tripped over his own feet? He got flattened in the ams, but that can happen to anyone, Ricky Hatton included. Plus he took Travis the distance next time out. And Froch can knock down most super middles out there, if he connects right, especially on a ten fight novice.
Not sure if the Scotsman is being a bit over rated here, he hasn't done a lot. Groves should win this one. Great fight.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 07:46
by bigped
MightyWarrior wrote:Smigga wrote:
Also you won't see many people taking knees from head shots voluntarily
Funnily enough, that's exactly what his boss did in the Mormeck fight.
I hope the rumours of Groves having a weak chin prove false, as he looks a future world beater if his chin holds up. I've got my doubts too, but only because of the rumours, because we haven't seen anything like that in the ring so far.
The stumble in the US was hard to call, was he hurt, or tripped over his own feet? He got flattened in the ams, but that can happen to anyone, Ricky Hatton included. Plus he took Travis the distance next time out. And Froch can knock down most super middles out there, if he connects right, especially a ten fight novice.
Not sure if the Scotsman is being a bit over rated here, he hasn't done a lot. Groves should win this one. Great fight.
The thing with kenny mate is his strength and mental strength. The guys has has a torrid time with injuries and bad lcuk since he tunred over. Several pull outs and as stated in the press his personal issues outside the ring aswell.
What i do know about this fight is that kenny willl not be stopped, he doesnt go down end of too strong and too rock chinned. So can groves out box him and win a decesion? or will his chin fail him if and when hes caught through the duration of a 12 rounder?
I thonestly think kenny will be too focused for this and see it as a man vs boy situtaion. Kenny stops groves for me possiobly on his feetor cuts?

Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 08:07
by lefty
hoop wrote:Groves will look great against anyone who'll let him so Anderson has to perform and be on the ball.
Yeh I agree with that Anderson will have to start fast and keep busy if he goes missing in action like he has before for a round or two then it will be right up Groves street. I think Groves may keep his hands up for the first few rounds but will get dragged into a fight and get clocked, I dont think it has to be Andersons biggest shot to put Groves away. I cant see Groves stopping Anderson unless Anderson is unfit which considering he is sparring with Froch at present seems unlikley, but you never know. Its sink or swim time for both of them.[/quote]
Why is froch sparring with anderson at the mo?!That doesnt make alot of sense considering he's fighting abraham who is absolutely nothing like anderson in style.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 08:12
by lefty
Smigga wrote:hoop wrote:bennie wrote:I can still see this going the full 12 rounds. Pride, grit and ability take men a long way, but in the end Groves stands up to Anderson's biggest punches and rallies with thrilling bursts of punches to take a thrilling decision.
Agree with most of what you've said but Groves will not stand up for about 10 min if he gets hit with one of Anderson biggest punches, that I am sure off.
It's a 50/50 fight imo but if Anderson clocks Groves it will be over.
I don't think I've ever agreed with anything you've said, hoop, but I do here.
Good fight to be made. Hopefully a sign of the way the division is going (all the top ten lads fighting each other) and an intriguing fight.
If Anderson lands a decent shot it's game over for Groves. His chin is badly vulnerable, hit the deck in amateurs, ko'd, decked in sparring recently and Anderson can dig. Groves could look great because Anderson is slow at times, predictable and easy to hit. He has struggled with Mendy and King but this fight/show should make him rise to the occasion big time.
I'll be having a bet on the fight not going the distance, Anderson early - Groves late.
You do make a good point paul,whilst groves is a talented boxer he definietly seems vunerable around the chin area,it was quite alarming how against a non-puncher in alfredo contreras his legs seemed to buckle badly when the shot landed didnt look all that solid!So that along with other incidents does raise question marks.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 08:13
by orbtastic
he goes missing in action like he has before for a round or two
that does make a lot of sense considering he's fighting abraham
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 09:07
by Lightsoot
Smigga wrote:Ben Carey wrote:How many times has Groves been dropped / stopped in the amateurs? I know Travis Dickinson stopped him and that he had to take a knee against Froch in sparring lately.
But other than that? I'd be grateful if people could shed any further light.
I wasn't there Ben so my info is 2nd hand. In my opinion though, this is any boxer and not just Groves - "had to take a knee" means you have your senses and choose to take a knee. Being hit that hard that your senses go and your legs give, dropping to your knee is a different matter. Also you won't see many people taking knees from head shots voluntarily. Normally body shots do that.

Thank you for the insight, Paul.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 09:36
by SteveDow
GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

Just done a tenner on Anderson just to win at 13/2 and another tenner on him by ko/tko/disq at 8/1. The 9/1 was no longer available. Crazy prices.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 09:51
by GlobalBox
SteveDow wrote:GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

Just done a tenner on Anderson just to win at 13/2 and another tenner on him by ko/tko/disq at 8/1. The 9/1 was no longer available. Crazy prices.
Took the 9's this morning for a few bob Steve, crazy prize even though I fancy Groves which kind of sounds foolish I know but sometimes you have to take the value.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 14:16
by Deserter
bigped wrote: What i do know about this fight is that kenny willl not be stopped, he doesnt go down end of too strong and too rock chinned.
Unfortunately you just can't say that - boxing's history is littered with examples of 'rock-chinned' fighters being stopped, sometimes by those who aren't known posters. The reality is that pretty much anyone can be dropped if they're caught right, or stopped if they ship too much. Not saying this will happen in this fight, but definitive statements like this can't be made.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 15:12
by Camcas
Groves will win this by stoppage easy, people are really underestimating him
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 16:06
by hoop
I agree that anyone can get knocked out. As far as I'm aware Anderson has a pretty solid chin I have never heard of him being hurt or looking rocked, I think anyone saying Groves will win this easily is being taken in by the hype this is a massive step up for both of them. If I had to pick a winner I'd say Anderson between 3-8 by KO, If it goes the distance then I go with Groves.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 17:21
by Smigga
hoop wrote:I agree that anyone can get knocked out. As far as I'm aware Anderson has a pretty solid chin I have never heard of him being hurt or looking rocked, I think anyone saying Groves will win this easily is being taken in by the hype this is a massive step up for both of them. If I had to pick a winner I'd say Anderson between 3-8 by KO, If it goes the distance then I go with Groves.
My mate stopped Anderson in the amateurs. Had him down too. Clubmate of mine, good friend. I remember it well I boxed on the same show
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 17:53
by LeedsLad
I'd hardly say being put down in sparring with Froch is a good indicator as to a fight between Groves and Anderson.
Froch is 3-1 at world level and holds KO wins over all his domestic rivals at the time.... it's not as if he's an unskilled hack that can't punch.
Groves is a bit over enthusiastic too.....
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 18:15
by hoop
Smigga wrote:hoop wrote:I agree that anyone can get knocked out. As far as I'm aware Anderson has a pretty solid chin I have never heard of him being hurt or looking rocked, I think anyone saying Groves will win this easily is being taken in by the hype this is a massive step up for both of them. If I had to pick a winner I'd say Anderson between 3-8 by KO, If it goes the distance then I go with Groves.
My mate stopped Anderson in the amateurs. Had him down too. Clubmate of mine, good friend. I remember it well I boxed on the same show
I think your mistaken mate I remember that fight now down in Liverpool about 10/11 years ago it didnt get stopped it went to points, the other boy was down as well.
Also just wondering how you think your inactivity will effect you against Degale?, and do you think Warren is trying to set you up I dont mean that I think you will lose I personally think you will win, but its Warren's style he done the same with Willy Limond v Khan kept the older champion inactive and then put him in with the fresh Khan. Theres no doubt Warren will want Degale to win after the money he has put into him, so there must be some resentment on your part?.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 18:24
by SteveDow
GLOBALBOX wrote:SteveDow wrote:GLOBALBOX wrote:Thought this might interest some
1/14 GROVES
13/2 ANDERSON
Anderson is 9/1 to win by ko/tko as well
Above with Sportingbet

Just done a tenner on Anderson just to win at 13/2 and another tenner on him by ko/tko/disq at 8/1. The 9/1 was no longer available. Crazy prices.
Took the 9's this morning for a few bob Steve, crazy prize even though I fancy Groves which kind of sounds foolish I know but sometimes you have to take the value.
Jesus, good job we got on sharpish mate as Anderson is now just 15/4 to win and 3/1 to win by ko/tko/disq at Sportingbet!! They'll get caned if either one comes in.
Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 18:38
by hoop
SteveDow wrote:GLOBALBOX wrote:SteveDow wrote:
Just done a tenner on Anderson just to win at 13/2 and another tenner on him by ko/tko/disq at 8/1. The 9/1 was no longer available. Crazy prices.
Took the 9's this morning for a few bob Steve, crazy prize even though I fancy Groves which kind of sounds foolish I know but sometimes you have to take the value.
Jesus, good job we got on sharpish mate as Anderson is now just 15/4 to win and 3/1 to win by ko/tko/disq at Sportingbet!! They'll get caned if either one comes in.
They didn't waste anytime getting that sorted, must be a lot of money being put on Anderson. The prices where mental glad I got in last night I got the 9/1
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Re: Groves next fight!!!
Posted: 02 Nov 2010, 19:40
by Asterix
hoop wrote:Theres no doubt Warren will want Degale to win after the money he has put into him, so there must be some resentment on your part?.
Smigga said yes. I don't think he was forced to take this fight. Therefore, no need for any resentment. It's business, after all.