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lefty wrote:Does anyone else think its slightly weird how Khan has gone from having a poor chin to having an almost granite one going on the number of big shots he took last night?!Before anyone says it,yes you can improve punch resistance and going upto 140 has probably done that but you dont go from being a guy who gets put on his butt by the likes of willie limond to taking the amount of shots he took last night off a guy with a 90% ko ratio!Personally and I know im going to get grief for this but personally i think its suspicious!If khan had one last night but not taken that many big shots then i wouldnt find anything wrong with it but the number of right hands,uppercuts,etc he was getting hit with and not going down was abnormal in my opinion going on his history!

khan has never had a week chin, he got caught by a few big blows by a big puncher in prescott.....dont believe the hype!

Sad old thread...he showed a champions grit to tough it out

Khan got caught cold against Prescott that's all. He's more Felix Trinidad than Marvin Hagler in the whiskers department. And no ones asking if Maidana is on drugs for being so winded in the first yet be able to take all the punches he did yet he can still throw so many hard punches late in a fight when surely he should have been slowing down... Anyway, Khan has improved because of conditioning work and plain just growing up and boxing at his best weight .. He is a fantastic athlete who has a coach who knows how he should fight and a conditioner who knows how to prepare him and has distributed his weight far better and improved the strength in his legs. Khans still vulnerable and Roach will probably tick him off for trading and letting his hands drop. Khan proved last night he is a talent we should really enjoy over the next few years. That was an awesome fight last night.

lefty wrote:Does anyone else think its slightly weird how Khan has gone from having a poor chin to having an almost granite one going on the number of big shots he took last night?!Before anyone says it,yes you can improve punch resistance and going upto 140 has probably done that but you dont go from being a guy who gets put on his butt by the likes of willie limond to taking the amount of shots he took last night off a guy with a 90% ko ratio!Personally and I know im going to get grief for this but personally i think its suspicious!If khan had one last night but not taken that many big shots then i wouldnt find anything wrong with it but the number of right hands,uppercuts,etc he was getting hit with and not going down was abnormal in my opinion going on his history!

pathetic post seems you want to nitpick and refuse to give khan credit anyway u can. What exactly are u trying to insinuate? That he took drugs? Pathetic.

Your knowledge of boxing history is also very suspect. Oscar de lay hoya was considered very chinny at the same stage of his career as khan . Yet he moved up the weights and took the shots of known punchers like quartey,mayorga and trinidad

thats just one example. Its clear khan was having big problems making weight plus prescott chinned him and hes grown up since thansimple as that. What has never been in question is the heart and will to win off khan.

Ive been a huge critic of his but enough is enough. I detest this level of unfairness

the mods should take action against the ts or he should publically apologise

Funny, Maidanas trainer in video in post before this says to Khan after the fight he trained Roger Mayweather who at 130lb when he got tagged went over but when he went up to 140lb was much stronger. I think Khan just says he used to kill himself to make weight. Khans just filled out and got better, as one would expect from a guy who has just turned 24 remember?

The thing I think a lot of people are forgetting is that Amir has no bloody head movement when he eventually stops bouncing around & decides to let those nine-punch shoeshines go. This will lead to him being flattened again at some point.

I was, after watching it again sober last night, overall disappointed with his performance -- I thought coming in that Maidana wouldn't lay a glove on him & get outclassed for a late stoppage. Instead I saw Amir waste vast amounts of energy shoeshining at the guy's gloves & (after about the fourth) get uncomfortable every single time he couldn't back away or get the distance to let fly with those mad combos. He is incredibly vulnerable on the inside (thank you, patented Freddie Roach "defend against uppercuts by clamping gloves either side of your face putting your chin down & hoping for the best" tactic!). For all his mad speed & bravery he's so fvcking predictable it's untrue. He was bloody lucky Maidana has a shite defence & awful feet-in-concrete movement.

Maybe it's just the gap between expectation & reality that's dimming it for me, but all this "Maidana couldn't KO him so no-one could" is utter bullshite if you ask me & just as much an overreaction as the "Anyone can KO him" of Riddick Blowe, Boxerbob, G0mez, Overhand Right etc etc before this fight.

He's too wide open & is going to get timed to the canvas at some point. I still say Victor Ortiz (if they can get his head straight) would do him. & I find all this "Bradley/Alexander could never ever knock him out" drivel.

That is all.

Datsue wrote:The thing I think a lot of people are forgetting is that Amir has no bloody head movement when he eventually stops bouncing around & decides to let those nine-punch shoeshines go. This will lead to him being flattened again at some point.

I was, after watching it again sober last night, overall disappointed with his performance -- I thought coming in that Maidana wouldn't lay a glove on him & get outclassed for a late stoppage. Instead I saw Amir waste vast amounts of energy shoeshining at the guy's gloves & (after about the fourth) get uncomfortable every single time he couldn't back away or get the distance to let fly with those mad combos. He is incredibly vulnerable on the inside (thank you, patented Freddie Roach "defend against uppercuts by clamping gloves either side of your face putting your chin down & hoping for the best" tactic!). For all his mad speed & bravery he's so fvcking predictable it's untrue. He was bloody lucky Maidana has a shite defence & awful feet-in-concrete movement.

Maybe it's just the gap between expectation & reality that's dimming it for me, but all this "Maidana couldn't KO him so no-one could" is utter bullshite if you ask me & just as much an overreaction as the "Anyone can KO him" of Riddick Blowe, Boxerbob, G0mez, Overhand Right etc etc before this fight.

On the night I said that Khan boxed foolishly, and I stand by that statement; however, you're underrating Maidana hugely. He's far, far better than people give him credit for. I thought as you did after the Ortiz fight -- crude slugger who knows how to throw a heavy punch -- kinda like Valero plus five pounds. However, I went and watched a few of his other fights on youtube and via torrents, and he's better than you think. First, he doesn't have fast feet, but he's adept at cutting down the ring. Second, he's got faster hands than you think. Third, his jab is better than you think. Fourth, he carries his power late into a fight. These attributes, combined with his ghoulish ability to absorb punishment, the white hot pressure he brings and him being an allround bad@ss tough guy are going to make him extremely awkward for any fighter. And, indeed, isn't it Maidana exactly the sort of fighter we wanted to see Khan in with? Doesn't he have exactly the kind of attributes against which we thought Khan would struggle? Didn't we want to see Khan's chin tested? And doesn't Maidana have the hardest punch at 140?

The way I see it is this: Khan just beat (depending on how you ranked it) the second, third, or fourth best guy in a hot division who happened to have the ideal style to overcome what Khan brings to a fight, and happened to have exactly the kind of punch that would test Khan's hitherto fragile chin. And the Kid came through. Not with flying colours, but he came through. In a thrilling fight.

Again, there are things to work on: he did jump in more, he did throw too many shoeshine combinations when he could have picked the guy off behind the jab. He did, I noticed, for the first time since he was under Roach, get his chin infront of his knee by a lot, and lose balance, because he was reaching instead of moving his feet first. But he's 24 and in his 24th fight with one of the best trainers in the world. He can put these things right, and, indeed, had already put them right to a certain degree against Kotelnik (another fighter not to be sneezed at) and Malignaggi.

Just my view.

Fair play, I'm not condemning the lad or damning him & I'm glad he'd won. But his performance wasn't exactly what I was looking for, meself.

As for those things he needs to put right: don't see it. People overestimate Roach. Look at Pac vs. Margarito, Manny does exactly the same fecking thing on the inside as Amir so gets hit by the same stupid stupid uppercuts. It's like Freddie spends so much time on the offensive/movement side of things that he teaches a few basic defensive skills & once an opponent solves them, that's it dude! You're on your own!

I may however, just be a curmudgeon.

& I still stand by saying Maidana has awful foot movement & worse handspeed.

Maidana's jab only looked impressive because Amir is so easy to time with a heavy straight shot from that distance. Because all he thinks about is getting the eleventh punch of his flurry off, his head is completely static & sitting there, so Maidana stuck out the jab (which took about four seconds to deliver) & hey presto! Amir was knocked back two feet & completely thrown off his rhythm, so had to circle & reset.

Have to say Datsue I agree with you. The impressiveness of his standing up to some big shots and staying up has glossed over some massive technical deficiencies.

At points the uppercut kept coming and he stood still, gloves either side of his face leaving a nice path for Maidana up the middle. Made no attempt to move or divert Maidana's hand and it took him some rounds before he could even think to tie up Maidana's arms. Too predictable in close, he wont hit you back or slip, just freeze and hold his gloves high and wide. Luckily Cortez took pity and split the fight even when both fighters hand their hands free.

He doesn't seem a boxer, like say Mayweather, who can have a clear head when hurt. Many times he didn't seem to know what to do, perhaps due to not being tested on the way up and not having been in the situations often before.

What I expected was for him to use his jab to much better effect and control range a lot more. Maidana didn't fear Khan's power and spent too long in his comfort zone. Credit to Maidana for fighting the right fight there, but Khan didn't even seem to try his jab. Perhaps Paulie staying at range and having no power in reply made it look more of a weapon than it is.

Just what was he doing trading so often? If it was to prove that he can take a punch (which I doubt) then that's stupid. More likely they weren't expecting Maidana's chin to hold up so well, so didn't focus enough on consistent punching to keep his opponent outside and foot movement to keep distance.

Amir showed great heart, but I've never questioned that of him. To me his decision making under pressure was a big negative and his inside skills are non existent.

Scottrf wrote:
What I expected was for him to use his jab to much better effect and control range a lot more. Maidana didn't fear Khan's power and spent too long in his comfort zone. Credit to Maidana for fighting the right fight there, but Khan didn't even seem to try his jab. Perhaps Paulie staying at range and having no power in reply made it look more of a weapon than it is.
Amir showed great heart, but I've never questioned that of him. To me his decision making under pressure was a big negative and his inside skills are non existent.

Agree with you to the letter, but especially the bit in bold.

If you fight like that (basically no defence other than your footwork) you have to have something to keep guys off. The jab just didn't look the weapon it needs to be if he's going to continue in this style. I thought coming in that he could control Maidana with the jab, instead it was brushed aside & once Amir tired/Marcos realised he wasn't going to actually get hurt by the flurries coming in behind it, it was bad times at Ridgemont High.

He'll beat a lot of fighters, & like I said I wish him well, but the All-Time talk is overblown.

His legs, traps and neck have all got stronger and hes less drained at 140lbs, those are all factors. As is the fact he doesn't leave his chin out to dry quite as much now and keeps his hands up. Most of the punches Maidana landed weren't on the chin.

Was Khan campaigning at 64kg when Craig Watson chinned him in the 2005 ABA's?