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boxingchat wrote:

hurlock wrote:it seem's the only way of guaranteein 50/50 competitive fights & a stacked bill. i dont like the event being over the one night & fights over 3rds it should be 5.

Can't happen over 5 rounds as a boxer would exceed 12 rounds that is the maximum any fighter can have.

read it properly.i dont like the event being over the one night.

THEBUTCH wrote:

housesecond wrote:Honestly I struggle to believe the threads that slag off prizefighter. How many bills has anyone been to where there's 7 evenly matched fights. 8 boxers that are desperate to win. All fights are guarenteed action. No eastern european imports. Nobody surviving on points so they can get paid next week. Big name quality fighters willing to put it all on the line.
Honestly, we got what we always wanted. Long may it continue.

7 evenly matched fights ?

All fights are guaranteed action ?

Nobody surviving on points ?

This doesn't represent every Prizefighter I've seen. Some of the shows have been a poor nights viewing. I'd take just one of the brutal Title eliminators or Area title fights that we get rather than a whole Prizefighter show or even the whole lot.

come off it butch :!: sky show some lame title fight's. atleast we see some form of title race :!:

hurlock wrote:

THEBUTCH wrote:

housesecond wrote:Honestly I struggle to believe the threads that slag off prizefighter. How many bills has anyone been to where there's 7 evenly matched fights. 8 boxers that are desperate to win. All fights are guarenteed action. No eastern european imports. Nobody surviving on points so they can get paid next week. Big name quality fighters willing to put it all on the line.
Honestly, we got what we always wanted. Long may it continue.

7 evenly matched fights ?

All fights are guaranteed action ?

Nobody surviving on points ?

This doesn't represent every Prizefighter I've seen. Some of the shows have been a poor nights viewing. I'd take just one of the brutal Title eliminators or Area title fights that we get rather than a whole Prizefighter show or even the whole lot.

come off it butch :!: sky show some lame title fight's. atleast we see some form of title race :!:

Sky do show the odd stinker but in general I much prefer the title fight + one good undercard scrap live, than any amount of prizefighter. I duno what the viewing figures are for Prizefighter vs normal fights, maybe the casuals pick up on it more, but to me they could just have it once or twice a year and that would be more than enough for me.

sky never promote or have decent undercards on sole domestic title fights.

Some figures I just found off someone posting on Eastside Boxing, think it was also posted on here a bit ago, so Prizefighter doesn't seem to do significantly better than other shows, in fact slightly below average if anything looking at these figures.:

Figures from Sky in 2010


I can only show figures when they are listed, they have to be in the top 10 for the channel they were shown on.

Date – Event – Figures – Where it stands in top 10 for that Channel - Promoter

13/02 Big Fight Live (Cleverly, Mitchell, Degale etc.) – 222,000 (SS1 #6) allegedly
13/02 FNF Replay (Daws-Cook) Saturday 29,000 (SS2 #9) Matchroom
26/02 Prizefighter (Light Middles) – 147,000 (SS1 #6) Matchroom
09/04 Big Fight Live (Sprott-Harrison) – 274,000 (SS1 #8 ) Matchroom
12/04 Haye-Ruiz replay – 55,000 (SS2 #4) Hayemaker
30/04 Prizefighter (Cruiserweights) – 152,000 (SS2 #4) Matchroom
02/05 Mosley-Mayweather Replay – 99,000 (SS2 #7) Golden Boy
15/05 Mitchell-Katsidis – 272,000 (SS1 #8 ) allegedly
16/05 Khan-Mallignagi Replay (second replay one earlier on ITV1) – 349,000 (ITV4 #2) Golden Boy
04/06 Hall-Napa - 90,000 (SS2 #5) Matchroom
11/06 McCloskey-Lauri - 112,000 (SS2 #1) Matchroom
25/06 Fury-McDermott II - 118,000 (SS2 #2) Frank Maloney
31/06 Prizefighter (Super Middleweights) - 112,000 (SS1 #7) Matchroom
02/07 McDonnell-Bracco - 66,000 (SS2 #3) Frank Maloney
09/07 Laws-Williams - 59,000 (SS2 #6) Matchroom
16/07 Hatton-Nuzhenko - 166,000 (SS1 #4) Hatton Promotions
23/07 Hall-Power - 89,000 (SS2 #7) Frank Maloney

04/09 Roman Martinez-Ricky Burns - 141,000 (SS1 #6) Replay 44,000 (SS2 #10) allegedly
11/09 Wladimir Klitschko-Samuel Peter & Steve Molitor-Jason Booth - 202,000 (SS1 #6) Frank Maloney
24/09 Tony Bellew-Bob Ajisafe - 161,000 (SS1 #9) allegedly
02/10 Levan Kirakosyan-Stephen Foster - 139,000 (SS1 #10) Hatton Promotions
23/10 Liam Walsh-Maxwell Awuku - 131,000 (SS1 #8 ) allegedly
24/10 Toshiaki Nishioka-Rendall Munroe Replay @ 18:30 - 44,000 (SS3 #6) Frank Maloney
20/11 Prizefighter (Super Featherweights) - 102,000 (SS1 #9) Matchroom

After seeing the Khan figures I also decided to check out how Boxing did on ITV with Fat Mick from last year here are the figures

04/10/09 Thaxton-Melero 295,000 (ITV4 #5)
08/11/09 Williams-Sosnowski 260,000 (ITV4 #10)
17/01/09 Murray-McAllister 405,000 (ITV4 #2)
28/02/09 Thaxton-Mezaache 369,000 (ITV4 #7)
11/04/09 Watson-O’Donnell 260,000 (ITV4 #10)
23/05/09 Barker-McDermott 204,000 (ITV4 #10)
13/06/09 Murray-Lawton 231,000 (ITV 4 #10)
18/07/09 McIntosh-Cleverly 406,000 (ITV4 #7)
05/09/09 O’Donnell-Glover 330,000 (ITV4 #10)
03/10/09 Murray-Thaxton 212,000 (ITV4 #5)
28/11/09 Barker-Butler 299,000 (ITV #5)

The sad reality is that Boxing doesn’t do such great numbers I’m afraid. On ITV4 Boxing was regularly outdone by AUF WIEDERSEHEN, PET. And on Sky, Boxing gets outdone by Darts although it has to be taken into account that it is shown on a Thursday at a much more favourable time. Anyway I’m going to continue looking through figures and I will add them on as I find them.
　
Figures during FW's tenure on ITV

10/12/2005 Harrison-Williams 6.1million (ITV1 #21)
28/01/2006 Jennings-Mutley 270,000 (ITV4 #1)
18/02/2006 Arthur-Burns 243,000 (ITV4 #3)
25/02/2006 Skelton-Williams 193,000 (ITV4 #7)
11/03/2006 Pryce-Duran 210,000 (ITV4 #6)
29/04/2006 Arthur-Guliakevich 257,000 (ITV4 #3)
13/05/2006 Mitchell-Kirkorov 211,000 (ITV4 #8 )
01/06/2006 Hobson-Keeton 140,000 (ITV4 #9)
08/09/2006 Hobson-Pavlokovic 181,000 (ITV4 #7)
18/02/2007 Sprott-Harrison 493,000 (ITV4 #1)
10/03/2007 Matthews-Simpson 223,00 (ITV4 #5)
14/07/2007 Khan-Limmond 3.5 million (ITV1 #26)
21/07/2007 Maccarinelli-Braithwaite 333,000 (ITV4 #5)
08/12/2007 Khan-Earl 4.14 million (ITV1 #22)
02/02/2008 Khan-St Clair 4.15 million (ITV1 #29)
05/04/2008 Khan-Kristjansen 4.37 million (ITV1 #21)
21/06/2008 Khan-Gomez 3.98 million (ITV #18 )

Setanta

08/03/2008 Haye-Maccarinelli 136,000 (Setanta #1)
22/03/2008 Rees-Kotelnik 37,000 (Setanta #5)
14/06/2008 Brook-Jones 5,000 (Setanta #7)
15/11/2008 Haye-Barrett 172,000 (Setanta #2)
28/03/2008 Dodson-Quigley 21,000 (Setanta 2 #1)
19/04/2008 Calzaghe-Hopkins 243,000 (Setanta #4)
25/04/2008 Lindsay-Appleby 42,000 (Setanta #5)
26/07/2008 Cotto-Margarito 14,000 (Setanta #9)
21/02/2009 Cotto-Jennings 12,000 (Setanta 2 #2)
13/06/2009 Cotto-Clottey 10,000 (Setanta 2 #6)

No it si not irrelevent. But it must be taken with a pinch of salt, it's not like a serious world title fight.

It's not irrelevant but I wish it was. As I said in another thread 3 rounds isn't enough for a boxing match, poor skill levels and a flawed format which needed two replacements to decide the last one. It's a test of how 'does this ex-champ have enough left to beat this novice who hasn't learnt the pro game yet'?

It's taking TV slots and attention from real fights that haven't been reduced to quick and easy brawls for those with a short attention span. It may be fun for some but I don't think it's where boxings resources should be aimed.

boxingchat wrote:Too many of them I agree but it has it's place as an entertainment type show, like the masters five a side tournament. What I don't like is the waste of a TV slot and the portion of the boxing budget allocated to it. Keep it separate and find separate money for it I say.

Six of these of these a year is too much and it's costing us six real fight nights that don't happen and potential champions of the 'real' sport are being held back.

Problem is, a lot of what you call "real fight nights" are piles of shite, with horrid, predictable undercard bouts and one sided main events, often for pointless belts like the Commonwealth against creditless opponents.

A good, well matched "real show" would be ace, but they are few and far between these days.

Prizefighter is better.

Really interesting stats above.

ITV4 fights kick Sky Sports arse.

Sprott v Harrison was bigger than Mitchell v Katsidis.

"26/07/2008 Cotto-Margarito 14,000 (Setanta #9)"

Wow.

Can't think why they went bust can you?

Deno1986 wrote:

johnnygreaves wrote:Yeh, ok Casey could be an exception. I know Willie and think he would have done well regardless! All I'm saying is the quality last nite was standard . The first bout was shocking . Us journeymen would give a better show than that. Looks like it won't happen tho. I'm just dreaming !

Yeah, he would have done well but PF has definitely fast tracked his career. I agree with you though, it was a poor PF last night. It does need something to spice it up. I like Carlos's idea of the team event.

The problem with a team event featuring UK boxers is if all the UK boxers were to be beaten in the first bracket, the semis and final would fall a bit flat.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:[
nonsense man and don't even bring Harrison into it. Yeah so what....he got an EBU shot. And what happened?? He served up some sh*tty lame duck performance and Sprott was the only proactive man in the ring, working hard , putting on a show for the fans....the problem is Sprott worked too hard and gassed himself.....I guarantee you right now that if Sprott, who was 4 or 5 rounds up, had gone into that last round and just stood there and moved around the ring and done fck all, Harrison would have done the exact same thing, big fraudulent lump that he is, and Sprott would have won.

But Sprott didn't win, and you said yourself it's because Sprott made mistakes, yet somehow that's proof he was the better boxer?

If Audley blew a wide points lead by boxing irresponsibly in the last round and getting knocked out, the critics would have a field day!

And anyway, Sprott didn't gas. If he had have gassed, it may have served him better. But he attacked hard, which gassed boxers don't do, and that's what cost him.

housesecond wrote:Honestly I struggle to believe the threads that slag off prizefighter. How many bills has anyone been to where there's 7 evenly matched fights. 8 boxers that are desperate to win. All fights are guarenteed action. No eastern european imports. Nobody surviving on points so they can get paid next week. Big name quality fighters willing to put it all on the line.
Honestly, we got what we always wanted. Long may it continue.

THIS

THEBUTCH wrote:

housesecond wrote:Honestly I struggle to believe the threads that slag off prizefighter. How many bills has anyone been to where there's 7 evenly matched fights. 8 boxers that are desperate to win. All fights are guarenteed action. No eastern european imports. Nobody surviving on points so they can get paid next week. Big name quality fighters willing to put it all on the line.
Honestly, we got what we always wanted. Long may it continue.

7 evenly matched fights ?

All fights are guaranteed action ?

Nobody surviving on points ?

This doesn't represent every Prizefighter I've seen. Some of the shows have been a poor nights viewing. I'd take just one of the brutal Title eliminators or Area title fights that we get rather than a whole Prizefighter show or even the whole lot.

Of course not all fights in all Prizefighters deliver, but you can say that about any boxing promotion of any format. But personally speaking, I'd say I've been entertained by them more often than I've been let down, and I've certainly seen more upsets and surprising turns of events in Prizefighter than I have on the average FFN/SFN.