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lefty wrote:look at holyfield,he blew something like $200 million!How idiotic is that!

It's only £2,000 per kid.

Scottrf wrote:

lefty wrote:look at holyfield,he blew something like $200 million!How idiotic is that!

It's only £2,000 per kid.

TheCobra wrote:

simon fox wrote:There a perception that every 'world' champion boxer will make enough money so that he can live in luxury without working for the rest of their life. It simply does not happen in 99% of cases. If the boxer gets enough to buy a house and keep their head above water without falling into debt then they're doing pretty well compared to most people.

I don't think Enzo Macc probably earned enough to live in luxury. But it depends on the boxer, if they invest their money wisely they can set themselves up, look at Gary Lockett , I hear he got into property with his money and has set himself up nicely and I bet his purses never added up to what Enzo Macc's did.

The Haye fight alone, I know Haye got £500k+ for this fight, Enzo surely got £200k+, sell out fight at O2 arena shown on multiple TV channels, shown late at night so American TV could have it as well. £200k could buy 2 terraced houses outright somewhere and rent them out. Do that a few times, build up a portfolio and you don't have to work again.

He also fought on many big allegedly cards at various arenas, shows that were on both SKy normal and Sky PPV, can't see he was taking home rubbish money for those fights.

Probably the major issue for a lot of 'better earning' boxers is spending all their money in the good times and not really putting much away for the future.

I don't understand what the big deal is with not having to work again; what the hell are they going to do all day? It'd be like being on the dole but with enough money to get the shopping in. It'd be crap.

simon fox wrote:

TheCobra wrote:

simon fox wrote:There a perception that every 'world' champion boxer will make enough money so that he can live in luxury without working for the rest of their life. It simply does not happen in 99% of cases. If the boxer gets enough to buy a house and keep their head above water without falling into debt then they're doing pretty well compared to most people.

I don't think Enzo Macc probably earned enough to live in luxury. But it depends on the boxer, if they invest their money wisely they can set themselves up, look at Gary Lockett , I hear he got into property with his money and has set himself up nicely and I bet his purses never added up to what Enzo Macc's did.

The Haye fight alone, I know Haye got £500k+ for this fight, Enzo surely got £200k+, sell out fight at O2 arena shown on multiple TV channels, shown late at night so American TV could have it as well. £200k could buy 2 terraced houses outright somewhere and rent them out. Do that a few times, build up a portfolio and you don't have to work again.

He also fought on many big allegedly cards at various arenas, shows that were on both SKy normal and Sky PPV, can't see he was taking home rubbish money for those fights.

Probably the major issue for a lot of 'better earning' boxers is spending all their money in the good times and not really putting much away for the future.

I don't understand what the big deal is with not having to work again; what the hell are they going to do all day? It'd be like being on the dole but with enough money to get the shopping in. It'd be crap.

He could dedicate himself to being a top boxing trainer or manager without the financial pressure of it having to make him a living or else having to get out and get a regular job with guaranteed income. So maybe I would re-phrase it to 'never have to be under the financial pressure that most people have to face'. Would be a nice place to be imho.

I agree with that Cobra; 'what a wonderful world it would be' :)

People on the dole DO have enough money to get the shopping in. Well the ones near me do, and they have Sky and smoke 80 million cigs a day and have decent cars. The list goes on.

TheCobra wrote:People on the dole DO have enough money to get the shopping in. Well the ones near me do, and they have Sky and smoke 80 million cigs a day and have decent cars. The list goes on.

definietly a sun reader

I'm not arsed; I'd sooner work than not even if the money was the same

lefty wrote:

TheCobra wrote:People on the dole DO have enough money to get the shopping in. Well the ones near me do, and they have Sky and smoke 80 million cigs a day and have decent cars. The list goes on.

definietly a sun reader

Independent actually.

TheCobra wrote:

lefty wrote:

TheCobra wrote:People on the dole DO have enough money to get the shopping in. Well the ones near me do, and they have Sky and smoke 80 million cigs a day and have decent cars. The list goes on.

definietly a sun reader

Independent actually.

crikey you've slipped through the net!

A kid I know used to work as a plasterer (about 18 years at it) he was used to good money (£700 quid a week take home). He's had no work for a year or so and gets about £70 and his rent paid.

simon fox wrote:A kid I know used to work as a plasterer (about 18 years at it) he was used to good money (£700 quid a week take home). He's had no work for a year or so and gets about £70 and his rent paid.

and? Whats the point you're making i mean.

That he doesn't get a right load to live large on. He drives an ok car and has a big telly from when he was working. He's no lifestyle anymore, can't do the things he enjoyed and he has to watch what he buys when he shops.

scrounge britania. it's nice to know you have earnt your crust :!: some people have no pride or want to represent there kid's a role model.

oh i work hard for my dough pal

I won't bore you with my views on the UK welfare state. :-)

Anyways, Maccarinelli......

simon fox wrote:oh i work hard for my dough pal

you sound like a brass

I dont mind people criticising the welfare state because it does have alot of faults but i dont like stereotypes and generalisations as it shows ignorance.

hurlock wrote:

simon fox wrote:oh i work hard for my dough pal

you sound like a brass

ha ha! yeah i got a bit carried away there

lefty wrote:I dont mind people criticising the welfare state because it does have alot of faults but i dont like stereotypes and generalisations as it shows ignorance.

I think just as much as I can see your point, I also think for every person who may get called ignorant by saying what I said above, there is a lefty apologist making excuses for people who they have probably only ever read about at uni and in the papers. Not saying that is you, more like some of the people who ran/run our country.

I was brought up on a council estate, so I know as well as anyone there are hard-working people, there are people stuck in certain difficult situations and then there are just the out and out scroungers. I just see more and more these days people playing the system for what they can get out of it.

TheCobra wrote:

lefty wrote:I dont mind people criticising the welfare state because it does have alot of faults but i dont like stereotypes and generalisations as it shows ignorance.

I think just as much as I can see your point, I also think for every person who may get called ignorant by saying what I said above, there is a lefty apologist making excuses for people who they have probably only ever read about at uni and in the papers. Not saying that is you, more like some of the people who ran/run our country.

I was brought up on a council estate, so I know as well as anyone there are hard-working people, there are people stuck in certain difficult situations and then there are just the out and out scroungers. I just see more and more these days people playing the system for what they can get out of it.

I grew up on a council estate myself so i know what you mean,i was just trying to say that not everyone on the dole is living it up though!lol

hurlock wrote:i bloody hope so :!: fwank has sense & will want no part in macca continuing. i bet he does look great in the gym etc he's a top lad & his career has been long & decent & his scars have shown & the scared me on a few occasions :!:

also he was allway's a big lad & 14-4 was a blessing for him. 12-7 is scary :!: he'll have to semi dicompose :!:

Enzo was never a big Cruiser and would have been a lot better suited to 13-8.I think him and Bomber are probably about the same size.

Dioufy wrote:If he doesn't go he could end up hurt, or worse. It's sad because he seems to need to 'prove' himself, even though he's past it confidence-wise, and perhaps ability-wise. Enzo Macc is a nice dude, but simply the most weak-minded and delusional fighter in the last 10 years to win a world title.

And if I hear "I made a mistake" once more, I'll come to his house and shave that silly arsed beard off.

no I disagree mate. Enzo was doing a great job on Frenkel. He looked very fit and strong and aggressive. Weak mind .....don't tar the man with bloody Fraudley. Oh sorry "most weak minded world champion" you said didn't you...

the crack with Enzo is that he spends every second of every round trying to break his man down and get him out of there. And if he doesn't do this it leaves him knackered/ gassed, open and vulnerable.

Look at the man's record...he has something like 20 odd victories inside 3 rounds.....it's like somebody's give him the blueprint to be an exciting Marquee world beater.
If he did some work and then stood off he wouldn't have lost some of his fights.

I put it down to bad training or he doesn't listen or cann't translate it into a fight.

When he sat at the press conference before the Mag 7 saying he was in the best shape of his life, like many, I thought this was nonsense. But it clearly wasn't because he was in great shape.

Should he retire?? Most definitely or he'll end up in a bad way.....he might do now with the punishment he's taken but I sincerely hope not!

Light heavyweights that are natural for the weight class can crack plenty hard enough to knock people out. Especially if they are against someone who has boiled right down to get onto the scales.

The odds are slim to none of him being effective beyond the first few rounds.

I'd love to eat my words, but I doubt it will be the case.

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:

Dioufy wrote:If he doesn't go he could end up hurt, or worse. It's sad because he seems to need to 'prove' himself, even though he's past it confidence-wise, and perhaps ability-wise. Enzo Macc is a nice dude, but simply the most weak-minded and delusional fighter in the last 10 years to win a world title.

And if I hear "I made a mistake" once more, I'll come to his house and shave that silly arsed beard off.

no I disagree mate. Enzo was doing a great job on Frenkel. He looked very fit and strong and aggressive. Weak mind .....don't tar the man with bloody Fraudley. Oh sorry "most weak minded world champion" you said didn't you...

the crack with Enzo is that he spends every second of every round trying to break his man down and get him out of there. And if he doesn't do this it leaves him knackered/ gassed, open and vulnerable.

Look at the man's record...he has something like 20 odd victories inside 3 rounds.....it's like somebody's give him the blueprint to be an exciting Marquee world beater.
If he did some work and then stood off he wouldn't have lost some of his fights.

I put it down to bad training or he doesn't listen or cann't translate it into a fight.

When he sat at the press conference before the Mag 7 saying he was in the best shape of his life, like many, I thought this was nonsense. But it clearly wasn't because he was in great shape.

Should he retire?? Most definitely or he'll end up in a bad way.....he might do now with the punishment he's taken but I sincerely hope not!

I agree on the weak minded thing,i dont think you can continually put yourself forward for fights after being brutally knocked out like enzo has and be weak minded.Just my opinion anyway.