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Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:21
by lefty
P.s Dallas will be the next one to suffer the same fate as larry unfortunately
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:22
by jBacca
FtmPress wrote:jBacca wrote:FtmPress wrote:
You should not judge a book by is cover, John was in great shape for this fight, And the win proved it.
Wouldn't say that Frank, it only last a min or two. The win proved to me that Larry isn't good enough, not necessarily that McDermott was in great condition.
It lasted that lone because john took him apart with his jab right from the start, Sorry to say Larry had no answer to john's jab or pace. Before this fight a lot of you on here was claiming how Larry was going to do great things in the heavyweight division, So now please give john the credit for this win not come on here saying Larry no good.
Hey, great win for John, I just don't think he's proved much as you've said.
Also, I don't think anyone rational was claiming Larry was going to do great things. People saw that he was very, very raw, and had the potential to improve with experience, but that's it.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:23
by Monte Fisto
thepocketrocket wrote:Mcdermott has always had high work rate for a heavy....he always looks fat and out of condition but he has the output
spot on comment!!
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:24
by Monte Fisto
lefty wrote:P.s Dallas will be the next one to suffer the same fate as larry unfortunately
dont agree here!!! Tom can Box!!!!
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:26
by thepocketrocket
95gerog wrote:thepocketrocket wrote:Mcdermott has always had high work rate for a heavy....he always looks fat and out of condition but he has the output
spot on comment!!
Ta mate! I'm happy for John who I think has been bummed a few too many times!
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:28
by lefty
95gerog wrote:lefty wrote:P.s Dallas will be the next one to suffer the same fate as larry unfortunately
dont agree here!!! Tom can Box!!!!
We will see,he can box better than larry but i remember watching his fight against morris and he was getting out jabbed numerous times and also he was pretty damn easy to hit!
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 18:38
by Monte Fisto
lefty wrote:damianhucker1 wrote:Dont know where Larry goes from here to be honest , he will need a couple of easier ones and then maybe have another go at stepping up .
He needs to work on his boxing skills,if he does that then i think he can become a british champion still
Really???? id be shocked..SHOCKED
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 19:31
by Monte Fisto
95gerog wrote:lefty wrote:damianhucker1 wrote:Dont know where Larry goes from here to be honest , he will need a couple of easier ones and then maybe have another go at stepping up .
He needs to work on his boxing skills,if he does that then i think he can become a british champion still
Really???? id be shocked..SHOCKED
Happily shocked i might add. He seems a very decent fella & tonight was a huge risk he took, and sometimes they dont pay off. Jon is very tough
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 19:42
by reggaereggae
I'm afraid LArry looked very wooden even warming up. His chin came up a few times. Not sure what the future holds unfortunately.....
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 19:45
by whiskey
Larry will be gutted, but he loves his boxing and im sure he'll come back and have another try.
Nelson lost a poop load early doors too and improved.
Not sure how far Larry will get, but I'll still tune in.
Respect to McDermott.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 19 Feb 2011, 19:46
by reggaereggae
Can he ko him ???? wrote:Livingstone Cole wrote:bfchunk wrote:Been stung too many times myself. It was the fairly safe bet comment I responded to.
It's still not funny. ;;-)
oh it is coulda backed under 9.5 at 10/11 instead u stick it all on musclehead
chin up larry still like watching ya
Chin up is the reason he got beaten...chin down would be a better suggestion....
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 00:05
by damianhucker1
FtmPress wrote:jBacca wrote:FtmPress wrote:
You should not judge a book by is cover, John was in great shape for this fight, And the win proved it.
Wouldn't say that Frank, it only last a min or two. The win proved to me that Larry isn't good enough, not necessarily that McDermott was in great condition.
It lasted that lone because john took him apart with his jab right from the start, Sorry to say Larry had no answer to john's jab or pace. Before this fight a lot of you on here was claiming how Larry was going to do great things in the heavyweight division, So now please give john the credit for this win not come on here saying Larry no good.
Hush your noise pal , No one was claiming that Larry was anything other than what he really is ,a big hitter thats technically not as gifted as some of the other british prospects but can bang as well as anyone , we all pretty much think hes a good guy and wanted him to do well , and although myself i thought he would beat mcdermott that doesnt mean i was predicting him to do great things , your a good guy too but you dont half talk bollocks some times .
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 09:16
by Finn
bfchunk wrote:kingfinn wrote:Well i've just stuck some money on Larry to win outright - its at 1/2 i reckon its a fairly safe bet.
Mcdermott actually looked in pretty good shape compared to a few of his other fights. I though larry would overpower him, but i think he needs to go back and work on his fundamentals.
Just get his defence working and not rush in with an open guard relying on his power, also learn how to tie guys up or take a knee when that badly hurt.
Nothing that would make me write him off as a boxer if he gets in the gym for a few months.
On the other hand Big Bad John may just get a shot at the lonsdale again now.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 09:27
by Finn
FtmPress wrote:jBacca wrote:FtmPress wrote:
You should not judge a book by is cover, John was in great shape for this fight, And the win proved it.
Wouldn't say that Frank, it only last a min or two. The win proved to me that Larry isn't good enough, not necessarily that McDermott was in great condition.
It lasted that lone because john took him apart with his jab right from the start, Sorry to say Larry had no answer to john's jab or pace. Before this fight a lot of you on here was claiming how Larry was going to do great things in the heavyweight division, So now please give john the credit for this win not come on here saying Larry no good.
Yup credit where credit is due some of us were even saying larry would be a tough fight for Price (i dont think i was one of them
). Of course its always hard to judge a novices but John showed he's still up for it and - as i said in the post above he looked in the best shape i've seen him. He's never going to muscular but he has a good engine.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 11:06
by Dioufy
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 17:18
by Londonirish
Great performance by John
the training he has put has paid off
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 19:25
by TheCobra
Yeh I don't agree with all those completely writing larry off just yet. For me he has the opposite problem of most british heavyweights, that being he is far too muscly, he has no looseness in his game, very stiff. If he could lose some of that muscle and loosen up a bit I think he could have a go at coming again. he surely has a role to play at a certain level, he will always be entertaining!
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 06:45
by Dioufy
Londonirish wrote:
Great performance by John
the training he has put has paid off
Martin, can I ask? Does McDermott just concentrate on training and not on eating correctly, or does he just have this weird body shape no matter what? Massive kudos to John though, to beat Fury, take Williams close and now take Larry apart. That's not bad at all. I hope he gets Price next.
And excellent tip.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 06:50
by Scottrf
FtmPress wrote:So now please give john the credit for this win not come on here saying Larry no good.
People are just saying you can't prove you are in good shape/condition in a one minute fight, but credit for the win.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 06:51
by lefty
TheCobra wrote:Yeh I don't agree with all those completely writing larry off just yet. For me he has the opposite problem of most british heavyweights, that being he is far too muscly, he has no looseness in his game, very stiff. If he could lose some of that muscle and loosen up a bit I think he could have a go at coming again. he surely has a role to play at a certain level, he will always be entertaining!
The fact that he was wobbled so easily by one left hook is slightly worrying though
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 07:44
by TheCobra
lefty wrote:TheCobra wrote:Yeh I don't agree with all those completely writing larry off just yet. For me he has the opposite problem of most british heavyweights, that being he is far too muscly, he has no looseness in his game, very stiff. If he could lose some of that muscle and loosen up a bit I think he could have a go at coming again. he surely has a role to play at a certain level, he will always be entertaining!
The fact that he was wobbled so easily by one left hook is slightly worrying though
Yeh fair point, first time I've seen his chin properly tested and it didn't stand up too well. He was going in absolutely gung ho and got chinned, very naive and inexperienced, needs to go back to the drawing board really.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 08:10
by Chambers2
Excellent win for John, he's always been massively underrated (due to his deceptive physique). There are some BIG British fights out there, lets get Tom Dallas in with BIG John for the Sourthern Area
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 08:29
by TheCobra
Chambers2 wrote:Excellent win for John, he's always been massively underrated (due to his deceptive physique). There are some BIG British fights out there, lets get Tom Dallas in with BIG John for the Sourthern Area
Yeh agreed, under that podgy physique is a very decent boxer at British level. He has never been a pushover and should already have had the British title. He obviously knows his way around the ring and pulls out some very nice shots.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 09:19
by joyce52
Great performance by John
the training he has put has paid off
I'm sure a fight between him and Rogan would be good, do you know if he has any Irish connections? If he does, it could make a good fight for the Irish title.
Re: BIG LARRY VS BIG JOHN
Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 09:27
by dbf
rhino222 wrote:FtmPress wrote:Old bones Ian wrote:
I'd go along with that
You should not judge a book by is cover, John was in great shape for this fight, And the win proved it.
come on frank, he is no way in 'great shape'. john is a sound technician with decent skills who does the basic things well. obviously getting up and going out running is not one of them. i am not knocking johns performance tonight, he did what he had to do and did it very well, as the underdog he was composed and utilised his assets in finding out larrys weaknesses, when larry throws his bombs, then big john capitalised.
someone wrote a few years ago that big john does the 100m in 11 seconds, if thats the case i will bear my arse in woolies window alongside bernie slaven, infact ill suck him off !!!.... live on boxrec.
put macdermott on a fitness campaign with jimmy mac for 3 months, then we might see him develop even a resemblance of physique. big john is doing very well DESPITE the shape he is in and not because of it, its his own fault he is not british champion, not the fault of any judge etc. john needs to knuckle down, work in the gym and on the road, then he could progress to british championship level, at the moment john is a gatekeeper for the british heavyweight title, nothing more, nothing less.
This isn't the answer. I know first hand how hard John works in the gym, I have seen it with my own eyes. His weight could be down to his diet I don't know, but Jimmy Mac blasting him isn't the answer. In fact didn't he have a fight with Jimmy Mac training him recently?
Credit needs to go C.J Johns trainer, for not only getting him in shape (he was in shape) for this fight but also get John's mind right and giving him the belief. This was a fantastic result for John and C.J who deserved a high profile win.
For Larry it could very well be a good thing for him. He seems like he genuinely wants to learn, and he could go back to the gym and iron out some of the creases. For someone with no amateur background (?) he should be proud of himself and safe in the knowledge that he can improve, which I really believe he will.