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Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:39
by alexpaterson
Frank should give us fight fans what we want to see, Mohammedi/Cleverly II. After there first epic!
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:39
by stujones
For purely selfish reasons I hope an opponent isn't found and Sky do the right thing (again) and withdraw it from being a PPV.
I have the feeling no matter who the opponent is, if its a WBO title fight the PPV will remain.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:42
by stujones
Rediculous if this remains a PPV.... absolutely rediclous. Sky declared Khan vs McCloskey was a PPV - advertised it as such.... then made these excuses about the undercard - even though it wasn't even announced. Did you hear Adam/Johnny on Ringside ever say - Khan vs McCloskey on PPV plus an amazing undercard that we cannot announce yet.
Whislt Groves vs Degale was the main advertsing feature...... Brahmer vs Clev is also been regularly advertised - its been promoted as a joint main event, a picture of Brahmer is on the Sky advert - his name is there.... He pulls out, yet Sky keeps it a PPV..... come on, rediculous - double standards of the highest order.
We thought the Khan vs Maidana PPV could have been scrapped cause of the domestic pull outs (and Klitchsko) - HALF of the ADVERTISED PPV has been changed yet its likely to remain on SBO. NONE of the Advertised bill (as far as the PPV is concerned) for the Khan vs McCloskey bill was altered and that was scrapped by Sky.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:43
by SteveDow
It is setting a dangerous precedent by having Degale v Groves as a PPV event without any decent supporting fights. Yes, this is a fight I have been looking forward to for a while and yes, it is refreshing for two unbeaten, upcoming British fighters to be facing each other but PPV should be reserved either for high-profile world title fights or for cards with a large number of quality fights on them.
I wonder if Sky would be able to package this up with showing Hopkins v Pascal and Dawson v Diaconu LIVE rather than on a delay?
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:43
by apophenic
Sky Sports have not yet confirmed whether it will remain a Box Office event with the grudge match between James DeGale and George Groves being the co-main event.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:45
by Lenny
Half the main event, half the PPV price? Sound too logical?
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:45
by Captain Hook
Not happy....wrote a 1,000 word preview of this card last night and will have to scrap half of it now....
This should not be PPV anymore, but it still will be....
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:46
by Deno1986
I wonder is this guy being explored as a late replacement:
Aleksy Kuziemski
He is also a Universum boxer, is rated by the WBO and fought just over a month ago in a 6 rounder so he will be fresh enough.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:47
by earsjohn
Is there a chance that Warren could effectively blackmail Sky and say that unless its Box Office, Degale-Groves is off too?
Given the size of the purse bids, surely Box Office was the only way to make the fight financially viable. A "normal" SFN may not cover the purse and the fees for the undercard, even allowing for the fact that the undercard is made up of Warren fighters in un-loseable fights against nameless, and therefore cheap, opposition.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:48
by dondada
If they can find a late notice opponent for the NEW champ, it will definitely stay as PPV.
Billy Boyle will have another go.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:50
by stujones
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:If they can find a late notice opponent for the NEW champ, it will definitely stay as PPV.
Billy Boyle will have another go.
Lets hope its acceptable, remember Kali Mehan wasn't accepted by Sky for Fury.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:51
by SteveDow
On this short notice, I really can't see who they could get in. Nobody with any real career ambitions would take this on 3 days notice against a guy like Cleverly who has been training hard for a couple of months.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:52
by earsjohn
Is there a realistic chance it could be Maccarinelli?
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:54
by danfoster
stujones wrote:Not Clev's fault of course, but he does complete the full set.
Vacant British, Vacant Commonwealth, Vacant European, Vacant Interim WBO title and now awarded the belt without even fighting.
Really am gutted for the kid and gutted cause it was going to be a good fight and occasion.
i didnt know that! how extraordinary.
makes you proud to support boxing ...
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:55
by stujones
SteveDow wrote:It is setting a dangerous precedent by having Degale v Groves as a PPV event without any decent supporting fights. Yes, this is a fight I have been looking forward to for a while and yes, it is refreshing for two unbeaten, upcoming British fighters to be facing each other but PPV should be reserved either for high-profile world title fights or for cards with a large number of quality fights on them.
I wonder if Sky would be able to package this up with showing Hopkins v Pascal and Dawson v Diaconu LIVE rather than on a delay?
It always was dangerous IMO, even with it being Brahmer vs Clev - it wasn't a PPV worthy bill.
We used to get world title fights, followed by British title fights on Friday Night fights, let alone Saturday night fights - should the Burns vs Martinez bill been on PPV?
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:57
by bigjack
The_Don1 wrote:second pull out at short notice when he's due to be fighting on foreign soil for Braehmer, the WBO do right to strip him, it's unfortunate that every title that Clev has won has been a vacant one, but that's beyond his control, hopefully he'll still get to fight on saturday against someone half decent.
I wonder if that's ever been done before,multiple title holder and all vacant at the time,be interesting to know
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 06:59
by SteveDow
stujones wrote:SteveDow wrote:It is setting a dangerous precedent by having Degale v Groves as a PPV event without any decent supporting fights. Yes, this is a fight I have been looking forward to for a while and yes, it is refreshing for two unbeaten, upcoming British fighters to be facing each other but PPV should be reserved either for high-profile world title fights or for cards with a large number of quality fights on them.
I wonder if Sky would be able to package this up with showing Hopkins v Pascal and Dawson v Diaconu LIVE rather than on a delay?
It always was dangerous IMO, even with it being Brahmer vs Clev - it wasn't a PPV worthy bill.
We used to get world title fights, followed by British title fights on Friday Night fights, let alone Saturday night fights - should the Burns vs Martinez bill been on PPV?
Fully in agreement with you on the PPV being a joke in the first place but if it remains PPV now then it is simply ridiculous. I'd buy it if they offered it along with the Hopkins and Dawson fights live but otherwise I'm ashamed to say it will either be an internet stream or the pub for me.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:01
by stujones
bigjack wrote:The_Don1 wrote:second pull out at short notice when he's due to be fighting on foreign soil for Braehmer, the WBO do right to strip him, it's unfortunate that every title that Clev has won has been a vacant one, but that's beyond his control, hopefully he'll still get to fight on saturday against someone half decent.
I wonder if that's ever been done before,multiple title holder and all vacant at the time,be interesting to know
Ironically check a look at Brahmer's record! Vacant European Title, Vacant Intercontinental title (x3), Vacant Interim WBO world title, awarded the belt away out of the ring! Only time he fought a defending champion - he lost.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:02
by Glyn Leach
This definitely puts Sky in a tricky position. As someone mentioned, they could be accused of double-standards here after the Khan fiasco — and the Khan faction are bound to be livid if Saturday goes ahead as a PPV, so Sky might want to bring their future relationship with Khan into the equation. That said, even as it stands this is a far stronger show than Khan-McCloskey. PPV level? Not in my opinion, despite DeGale-Groves being a very strong main event. But the big difference between this show and Khan-McCloskey is that we're in fight week now, many viewers will already have ordered the PPV — it hurts more to give money back than it does not to take it in the first place, and Sky are all about the money.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:05
by MightyWarrior
Someone told me that FW just matched Clev for the vacant WBO crusier title 15 mins ago, then the other guy pulled out and now Clev's the just been announced as THE NEW WBO cruiserweight champ too.
Surely a record. WBO heavyweight champ by tea time ?
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:13
by Glyn Leach
I feel sorry for Ed Robinson in all this, he's the one who will have put together Sky's Behind The Ropes show and once again that will have to be re-done at the last minute — welcome to the world of journalism fella!
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:14
by earsjohn
Glyn Leach wrote: That said, even as it stands this is a far stronger show than Khan-McCloskey.
Far stronger? Really?
At the moment, the Sky show is:
BJ Saunders v Hammond
Frankie Gavin v Young Mutley
James Degale v George Groves
Nathan Cleverly v TBA
The Khan card had:
Khan v McCloskey
Purdy v Watson
Murray v Carvalho
Munroe v Isaeu
The Warren card has name value but arguably no competitive merit (the poll in your own magazine showed little support for Groves), while Khan card had at least one 50:50 fight. Including the likes of Sam Sexton, Nicky Cook, Paul Smith will add to the name value but will further detract from the competitiveness. Once again Warren is suffering from his reluctance to put his fighters in risky fights, as the only fight on this card approaching even money was Cleverly v Braehmer and it is now scrapped.
The one person who benefits most from all this will be Eddie Hearn, who has been banging the drum about competitive fights recently and this goes to prove him right.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:16
by The_Don1
Zsolt Erdei’s due to be fighting Byron Mitchell on 4th June so he should be in training, if FW can pull a wedge out, he’d be a fair replacement for him to have a crack at getting his title back.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:17
by MightyWarrior
Interesting by Tris over at BN - Frank sent a car to pick up Braehmer at airport tue, and he's a no show. Then was told to send car to pick him up today instead - again no show, and out comes the cut excuse. So obviously a load of crap from the German camp. Feel sorry for Clev here, hope Frank gets him a decent enough replacement to motivate him
( and justify PPV - that's a hard one now )
TB too far off weight to make it in time, on Frank's very good advice.
Re: Braehmer-Cleverly off
Posted: 18 May 2011, 07:18
by Superheavy
Danny Macintosh?