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Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)

Fella, I may be wrong but I don't think he's even referring to you - I think it's Des1 he had a tear-up with

Deserter wrote:

Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)

Fella, I may be wrong but I don't think he's even referring to you - I think it's Des1 he had a tear-up with

Well if he's not I apologise but it does come across like that.

Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)

The other thread was a big clue pal

Scrap wrote:Jeff, same sort of idea, beat them to it by a number of years DD

Wasn't my post that scrap hope ur well my mate

Jeff Thomas wrote:

Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:The biggest sticking point and the problem with the resident retard on the other thread is defining fitness - certain trainers will make recommendations based on what they did 30-40 years ago or what they were told by another trainer.

For me running is a method, and one that I, and all my boxers use. However it is not the only way to reach the levels of intensity that I would recommend. Rowing, cross training, circuits, spinning, swimming, bag work, pad work, battling plus a ton of other methods are alternatives depending what adaptions you want to take place.

My boxers went 16-4 this season so must be doing something right

Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)

The other thread was a big clue pal

LOL sorry mate.

freddydoesdallas wrote:Excessive running hampered Errol Christie's career.

Excessive sports hampered errol, long jump, sprinting, long distance, javelin, you name it he did it. He was burned out

Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote:

Spiker wrote: Resident retard am I.
is your real name John Thomas??? ( Prick)

The other thread was a big clue pal

LOL sorry mate.

It's ok thanks for calling me a prick though

Errol problem was He never streched, shame. Lovely guy, good fighter, enjoyed working with Him.

Jeff Thomas wrote:

Spiker wrote:

Jeff Thomas wrote: The other thread was a big clue pal

LOL sorry mate.

It's ok thanks for calling me a prick though

i take that back honestly :) its been a long week

Spiker wrote:

ciscokid wrote:

Spiker wrote: WRONG!
The guy that is fat on the treadmill is going at a constant comfortable pace where as someone doing HIIT is pushing themself.

I thought that someone in the fat burning zone is (surprisingly), burning fat.. Where-as someone who is doing HITT is burning muscle?

That's what it says in my heart rate monitor booklet.

cheers

only if you are in a calorie defecit. The fat burning zone as a rule of thumb is pulse 220 minus your age.
I find a lot of people jogging to lose weight are not going at it hard enough.
You are not going to get catabolic if your diet is correct which as an athlete it should be.
Each to there own but its a very common mistake people make i presume that comment was meant as a joke. im not sure what booklet you have :)

It wasn't posted as a joke. I have a polar hrm.

As others have said and I'm also lead to belive, 220 minus your age is your maximum heart rate. So you only loose weight if you are in the fat burning zone, if you're not consuming enough calories?

I'd be intrigued to know others experiences in running with regards to measuring their heart rate.

I find that doing a few hill spints that last 30 seconds will kill me more than running 2 or 3 miles in my fat burning zone. I once had a crap before traianing and my heart rate went up from 49 to over 110!

ciscokid wrote:

Spiker wrote:

ciscokid wrote: I thought that someone in the fat burning zone is (surprisingly), burning fat.. Where-as someone who is doing HITT is burning muscle?

That's what it says in my heart rate monitor booklet.

cheers

only if you are in a calorie defecit. The fat burning zone as a rule of thumb is pulse 220 minus your age.
I find a lot of people jogging to lose weight are not going at it hard enough.
You are not going to get catabolic if your diet is correct which as an athlete it should be.
Each to there own but its a very common mistake people make i presume that comment was meant as a joke. im not sure what booklet you have :)

It wasn't posted as a joke. I have a polar hrm.

As others have said and I'm also lead to belive, 220 minus your age is your maximum heart rate. So you only loose weight if you are in the fat burning zone, if you're not consuming enough calories?

I'd be intrigued to know others experiences in running with regards to measuring their heart rate.

I find that doing a few hill spints that last 30 seconds will kill me more than running 2 or 3 miles in my fat burning zone. I once had a crap before traianing and my heart rate went up from 49 to over 110!

LOL you must have really strained that crap out

MachoMan09 wrote:220 minus your age is a very, very loose method of estimating a person's maximum heart rate that can be a long way out. For example, my lab tested max heart rate before I did Everest was 164. At the time I was 29 and fit.

It is very loose, I can still get to 210 bpm training at the end of a high intensity lab test. When I was in Uni and at my fittest I was at 201 (which was over the thing) and feeling absolutely fine. I rated myself at 12 out of 20 for fatigue. I went to the Hospital after for a checkup (as it did worry me) got the all clear.

On the topic of running, I think its an important, not necessarily as a stamina build up, there are other forms of that - but for the legs. You take a shot and it literally shakes you to your boots and its your legs that feel it. I used to do as little running as possible mainly cause I didn't like and I wasn't a believer, but I learned it was important. I don't think I was any fitter physically when I added running more in my regime, just felt it was always better when taking shots.

*ciscokid* Don't them Polar monitors set your fat burning zone too low? I used one once and the pace it wanted me at was not much more than a walk.

Brianmac's always good value

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/hrm1.htm

King Tubby wrote:*ciscokid* Don't them Polar monitors set your fat burning zone too low? I used one once and the pace it wanted me at was not much more than a walk.

That's the idea, the intensity is so low that the you can continue for a long time and thus burn more calories.

Personally I think it's a load of . High intensity intervals lead to increased metabolism for up to 24 hours afterwards so if your fit enough intervals would be more effective and less time consuming

King Tubby wrote:*ciscokid* Don't them Polar monitors set your fat burning zone too low? I used one once and the pace it wanted me at was not much more than a walk.

No idea, I'm no expert. I just bought one to motivate me into doing some training over winter. You enter your age, height and weight and it works it out from that. I guess if you're very fit then it will be too low, too unfit it will be too high.

A bloke in work who is serious about triathalons, went to Southampton Uni to get his heart rate worked out, he said they had him on a running machine with loads of probes and oxegen mask on. I think that they also took blood. It cost him 100£, 6 weeks later he had a full breakdown report. He's got a 400 quid HRM and said that even that is out compared to the kit they had a the Uni.

FWIW, Personally I feel that doing hill sprints seems to be the best running training I've done for boxing, getting your body into the habbit of big burst of high intensity and then a light jog down the hill again, very similar to most amateur fights. With normal running for keeping the weight down (with a sprint finish at the end if you can manage it) DD .

cheers

Jeff Thomas wrote:

King Tubby wrote:*ciscokid* Don't them Polar monitors set your fat burning zone too low? I used one once and the pace it wanted me at was not much more than a walk.

That's the idea, the intensity is so low that the you can continue for a long time and thus burn more calories.

Personally I think it's a load of . High intensity intervals lead to increased metabolism for up to 24 hours afterwards so if your fit enough intervals would be more effective and less time consuming

exactly

Thats what i was trying to say earlier about the fat guy on the treadmill.
It just came across wrong DD

housesecond wrote:Brianmac's always good value

http://www.brianmac.co.uk/hrm1.htm

Great resource

So is rosstraining