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jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Remember Vitali 'going for' Corrie Sanders in the ring after Wlad had been sparked? Imagine what he'd be like this time! That big dude's a hot head and a half!

I have no doubt that if Haye tried to bad mouth Vitali at the press conference, or push him or anything similar, Vitali would go for him then and there.

I thought Wlad looked a little bit shaky at that face off. That's why Manny came to get him and why big brother was there.

I still think that Wlad will win, but I think Haye has gotten to him a bit finally.

However, as we know, winning the press conference means nothing. Fear is a prime motivator in a fight, and a scared Wlad might be a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Or it could force him into his shell even more. It just makes it more interesting

Deserter wrote: You see remarkably adept at missing the point, which is that boxing is anything but pantomime. Again, that's your WWE friends.

The actual, physical altercation in the ring might not be 'pantomime', but the pre-fight mental jousting most certainly is, and if done well, will affect what happens in the ring.

Don't presume to lump me in with the rasslin' crowd, just because said integral part of the sport leaves a bad taste in your mouth and not mine.

It isn't exactly new either, many of the sport's most famous figures were notorious for their pre-fight verbal antics, yes, they might seem despicable and totally at odds with the notion of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct, but then most people with a little common sense can see past the bluster to the true intent behind the pantomime.

Deserter wrote:As I said earlier, for me the ends doesn't justify the means, and just saying 'controversy sells' doesn't act as a justification as if you follow this through to its logical conclusion you're basically saying anything can be said or done on the basis that it's 'selling'.

I'm not trying to justify it, I can just see it for what it is without having to become entangled in a moral headache. I simply have fewer qualms about the long practised art of sh*t-talking.

We're living in a spiralling sh*thole filled with things that I find profoundly offensive, this isn't one of them.

Deserter wrote:You're entitled to your opinion, but if I happen to find Haye's comments distasteful in the context of what's happened in the past in boxing, you're certainly in no place to tell me that mine is 'nonsense'.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I, and my opinion of your opinion is that it's a gross over-reaction to something which is clearly theatrical at a base level.

This is a forum for discussion, which is exactly the place for me to express my opinion, I'm free to tell you whatever I please, whether you agree with it or not is neither here nor there, as far as I'm concerned.

charlieb wrote:This is a forum for discussion, which is exactly the place for me to express my opinion, I'm free to tell you whatever I please, whether you agree with it or not is neither here nor there, as far as I'm concerned.

We'll clearly never agree on the main thrust of the argument - for example, your contention that pre-fight 'jousting' (as you choose to put it) is an integral part of the sport, despite the fact there are countless fights that have proven that's not the case - but our opinions are crystallized enough at this juncture so there's no point in going over old ground.

Where I'd beg to differ from you here is that while you may claim that in general terms you may be technically "free" to tell me whatever you please, in reality that simply isn't the case, hence the presence of moderators, to use just one example. I'm afraid freedom here, as in life, is a relative concept.

In actuality, what tends to ensure the survival of a forum such as this is that the community adopts some de facto rules, most notably a level of respect for one another that governs the interaction. In your specific case, my point was simply that most people prove themselves capable of a different opinion without resorting to dismissing a contrary one with a condescending "nonsense". It's simply manners dear boy, but then you may just be playing the Haye to my Klitschko

Is it known what Haye was saying to Wlad during the face-off at the press conference?

J-C wrote:Is it known what Haye was saying to Wlad during the face-off at the press conference?

He resumed their Borat battle with this

"You telling me the man who try to put a rubber fist in my anus was a homosexual?"

I did think twice before asking the question.