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MachoMan09 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:I broke my little toe years back...

Did you retire?

Retire from what?

MachoMan09 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:I broke my little toe years back...

Did you retire?

toebody understand's what it's like man :!:

hurlock wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:I broke my little toe years back...

Did you retire?

toebody understand's what it's like man :!:

I can tell you that it toe-taly hurt though mate.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Deserter wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Yes. As human's we don't always say everything that's on our mind. Like I said, I'm speaking from experrience. Have you ever broken your little toe?

Haye was a steam of consciousness in that interview - he was completely articulate and constantly referencing the specific problem of being unable to 'explode' off his right foot. The idea that he'd neglect to mention the other ways it impeded him is just implausible IMO given he was already in full excuses mode.
The argument about whether I have ever broken my little toe is facile as you've yet to show me anything that indicates it was a serious impediment to his movement around the ring last night.

If you haven't experienced a broken toe - and especially the little toe - then you don't know what you're talking about. I could tell you that climbing a mountian looks easy, but when I walk up the mountain I find out what it's really like.

I can't show you anything that indicatesa a serious impediment, but I can tell you that it effects your balance, your movement and your motivation.

I don't quite understand the climbing a mountain analogy but we're clearly not going to agree on this - you just just have to understand that not once in the 12 rounds was anyone - me, other people in the boozer, the commentators etc - picking up on Haye having the slightest issue with movement, so it then becomes increasingly difficult to believe it seriously impacted his performance.

I've got a few problems with this toe thing. I've never broken a small toe (broken a middle) but unless you are Haye and have that exact break none of us can say exactly how affected or not affected he was anyway. The problems I have are:

1) Haye - "I couldn't throw any right hands all night because of my toe". If that's the case then how come he managed to rock Wlad in the 12th with a big right hand. Seems like he could throw that hand hard enough when he was desperate at the end of the fight so why could he physically not get any power into it because of the toe for the first 11 rounds. Doesn't make sense to me. If you can't throw a right then you can't throw a right, but it's a bit strange saying you can't throw any rights after you've literally just thrown a huge one that hurt your opponent.

2) Booth - "He was meant to back up his first step with a further step but couldn't because of the toe". To me, Haye was often having to take 2 or even 3 steps to get to Wlad before throwing a punch because he was standing so far away. If he could take 3 explosive steps in a fast attack why couldn't he do a fourth? I understand that the 4th step may be planting the foot for the punch but if the toe was totally debilitating I don't think you would be able to spring forward at all.

3) I didn't like they way Haye was almost desperate to mention the toe as soon as Adam Smith walked over to him. Rather than saying something like "Yea Wlad was just too good tonight but I was struggling a bit with an injury" or even not mentioning it at all, he was immediately taking his boot and sock off and talking about it being agony. I felt a bit embarassed for him with that behaviour. How often do fighters break a hand and you only hear about it the next day because they wont use it as an excuse straight after the fight. It seemed to me Haye knew his performance wasn't much for the fans to cheer on and wanted to get the toe thing out asap.

4) This is the top level in the most physically demanding sport in the world. I'm sure the toe was painful and even had a bit of an effect but athletes have to deal with things like that. Eubank almost bit off his tongue vs Benn and couldn't breathe through his mouth after that. Countless fighters have fought half a fight with a broken bone in their hand (which doesn't have the luxury of painkilling needles on it). there was an american football player who played a playoff game recently with two broken bones in his ankle. Yes it would have affected him a bit but life has to go on.

Haye says he didn't cancel the fight because the fans had spent money booking flights etc and I really respect that. Some people that went may have been saving for ages and would have been devastated. But once you make the decision to fight you have to just try and find a way to get through your injuries.

And this (although it may sound like it) isn't an personal attack on Haye. I would have said this about anyone. Andy Murray was clearly struggling with his hip against Nadal - he couldn't chase some balls down. But he didn't mention the injury in any of his interviews, nevermind mention it as soon as you are asked the first question. Had he come out and immediately said he only lost because of his hip then I'd lose respect for him also. I think Haye's pride has taken a fall with this performance after all the boasts before it and the only way he could 'fix' that is to talk about how bad the toe was straight away.

A few things that seem to have gone totally unnoticed, so I'd like to open up a few questions to the floor:

1. Sky last night showed David Haye, 24 hours before the fight, in the arena ring in just his socks! Check out the footage, ring centre, pivoting, stepping and bouncing on practically his bare feet. Looking primed and fully fit to me...

2. Would a fighter with a 'broken toe' earning up to 15million pounds, if crazy enough to still compete, have no strapping or support at all? I know you can't treat the injury other than pain relief, but you can strap a small toe to the next one and make less independent.

3. Many people on here will have no doubt broken toes, very painful yes indeed, but after 1-2 weeks doesn't the swelling go down and the bruising comes out at this point? David Haye's injury looked pretty fresh to me, still swollen and oddly shaped, like maybe it had just happened late in the fight?

4. If indeed he did injure this 3 weeks ago, then what kind of fighter would have fans travel (no doubt many got loans for this or went without family holidays) and let people still make the trip when he wasn't fully prepared?

I think back to Rocky Marciano, nose split to the bone against Ezzard Charles, no complaints just fighting through the pain and injury onto glory.

Haye lost, no excuses was clearly out-boxed. Tactically he was clueless, his long wide right hands like an amateur 3-fight novice. His resume at heavyweight in truth really didn't warrant such a massive payday, his mouth did that. He should consider himself very very lucky, and be grateful for the payday.

Yorkshiresuperstar wrote:3. Many people on here will have no doubt broken toes, very painful yes indeed, but after 1-2 weeks doesn't the swelling go down and the bruising comes out at this point? David Haye's injury looked pretty fresh to me, still swollen and oddly shaped, like maybe it had just happened late in the fight?

I remember both boxers getting tangled up and stumbling at the end of one of the mid rounds, I'm sure Haye got stepped on. Just a thought.

Adam Booth looked very uncomfortable when being interviewed post fight and talking about the toe - almost like he was trying to stifle giggles.

Injuries stay fresh if you keep aggravating them, say by continuing to train for a big heavyweight fight. I've had something similar happen to me after breaking a toe and not taking enough time off it. The fornicator doesn't bend anymore.

Then he should have pulled out, again, instead or taking everyone's money and having family, friends and fans go watch him in a fight he wasn't in condition to win.

Also that doesn't answer some of the points I made, no strap and shadowboxing practically barefoot?

Everyone knows you taper training down a week out for 12-rounders, he could have rested that from Monday. That injury was fresh.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

rhino222 wrote:as a medical man, i was disappointed with hayes 'toe' comments. if he had had it injected, then bupivicaine (marcain) is the drug of choice, this local anaesthetic lasts about 4 - 6 hours, making the toe excuse laughable really.

I understand what you are saying, but until something happens to you then you can't really tell how something will effect you. I've brroken my little toe on my left foot and it effectef my balance massively, even with pain killers I could not spar. I'm not trying to say you don't know what you're talking about. My besst mate in a consultant orthopedic surgeon and he always says that the reality is often differemt to the theory.

lets get this straight, haye would have had a local anaesthetic injection to that toe, that numbs the toe for 4-6 hours, christ, we amputate peoples toes at work under local anaesthetic. if haye had the injection, there is not a chance in hell that he would have felt anything during/after the fight!!!!

rhino222 wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

rhino222 wrote:as a medical man, i was disappointed with hayes 'toe' comments. if he had had it injected, then bupivicaine (marcain) is the drug of choice, this local anaesthetic lasts about 4 - 6 hours, making the toe excuse laughable really.

I understand what you are saying, but until something happens to you then you can't really tell how something will effect you. I've brroken my little toe on my left foot and it effectef my balance massively, even with pain killers I could not spar. I'm not trying to say you don't know what you're talking about. My besst mate in a consultant orthopedic surgeon and he always says that the reality is often differemt to the theory.

lets get this straight, haye would have had a local anaesthetic injection to that toe, that numbs the toe for 4-6 hours, christ, we amputate peoples toes at work under local anaesthetic. if haye had the injection, there is not a chance in hell that he would have felt anything during/after the fight!!!!

Fair play mate. I used Brandy to kill the pain when I did mine. It worked

rhino222 wrote:
lets get this straight, haye would have had a local anaesthetic injection to that toe, that numbs the toe for 4-6 hours, christ, we amputate peoples toes at work under local anaesthetic. if haye had the injection, there is not a chance in hell that he would have felt anything during/after the fight!!!!

A local anaesthetic would have numbed the pain but that doesn't mean the foot would have had normal function. You often hear commentators talking about setting down on punches by gripping the canvas with the toes. Well some of that grip would clearly have been missing, pain or not.

nobby_nobbins wrote:

rhino222 wrote:
lets get this straight, haye would have had a local anaesthetic injection to that toe, that numbs the toe for 4-6 hours, christ, we amputate peoples toes at work under local anaesthetic. if haye had the injection, there is not a chance in hell that he would have felt anything during/after the fight!!!!

A local anaesthetic would have numbed the pain but that doesn't mean the foot would have had normal function. You often hear commentators talking about setting down on punches by gripping the canvas with the toes. Well some of that grip would clearly have been missing, pain or not.

complete waffle, your little toe offers least grip of all of your toes, as i said, we actually cut peoples bloody big toes off at work underlocal anaesthetic, we then chuck them in the rubbish, and the patient lies there smiling and listening to matt munroe or sopmething similar. to even suggest haye felt pain is absolute tosh. the little toe is barely responsible for any balance or grip issues.

rhino222 wrote: complete waffle, your little toe offers least grip of all of your toes, as i said, we actually cut peoples bloody big toes off at work underlocal anaesthetic, we then chuck them in the rubbish, and the patient lies there smiling and listening to matt munroe or sopmething similar. to even suggest haye felt pain is absolute tosh. the little toe is barely responsible for any balance or grip issues.

Just because a de-toed person is capable of listening to Matt Munroe doesn't mean they can fight Wladimir Klitschko.

nobby_nobbins wrote:

rhino222 wrote: complete waffle, your little toe offers least grip of all of your toes, as i said, we actually cut peoples bloody big toes off at work underlocal anaesthetic, we then chuck them in the rubbish, and the patient lies there smiling and listening to matt munroe or sopmething similar. to even suggest haye felt pain is absolute tosh. the little toe is barely responsible for any balance or grip issues.

Just because a de-toed person is capable of listening to Matt Munroe doesn't mean they can fight Wladimir Klitschko.

rhino222 wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote:

rhino222 wrote:
lets get this straight, haye would have had a local anaesthetic injection to that toe, that numbs the toe for 4-6 hours, christ, we amputate peoples toes at work under local anaesthetic. if haye had the injection, there is not a chance in hell that he would have felt anything during/after the fight!!!!

A local anaesthetic would have numbed the pain but that doesn't mean the foot would have had normal function. You often hear commentators talking about setting down on punches by gripping the canvas with the toes. Well some of that grip would clearly have been missing, pain or not.

complete waffle, your little toe offers least grip of all of your toes, as i said, we actually cut peoples bloody big toes off at work underlocal anaesthetic, we then chuck them in the rubbish, and the patient lies there smiling and listening to matt munroe or sopmething similar. to even suggest haye felt pain is absolute tosh. the little toe is barely responsible for any balance or grip issues.[/quote

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I was told before, that someone who loses their big toe, has to relearn to walk, as most of the weight is on the ball of the foot and the first toe. Is this not true?

A cortisone injection would have completely numbed the area, Haye wouldn't have felt a damned thing.

Is Cortisone banned in the UK for boxers?

coghaugen11 wrote:Legit excuse. He couldn't plant the right foot so just showed a defensive masterclass instead, making Wlad look stupid, and kept going for the KO til the end. Great performance.

Hey, Adam Booth, how are you these days?

so in the 3rd when Haye landed the 1-2. if wlad had dropped his hands would Haye's 'impediment' have stopped him from launching a sustained attack.

Might sound a bit facile but I'm actually struggling to know what he would have done differently. I thought he would be 'cuter' in closing the distance but he looked clueless, just like in the Audley fight. Just lunging in.

MachoMan09 wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Dave has woken up in a Hamburg hotel room this morning with an extra few million quid to spunk. We're sat gawping at our monitors discussing his little toe. And he's the loser?

I don't know about you but I'm hardly gawping. At least I earn my living without making people wait for no good reason or without trying to convince someone else I'm hard done by. I don't see why the fact that he has been well paid - by us, let's not forget - is a reason to not talk about how he fell short of every boast he made.

I must concede that Dave's post fight interview did remind me of Big Brother's Victor when he announced to the nation that he "had the sniffles".

macho quoting a Big Brother contestant

fook me i have seen it all now....

*looks out of the window to see if barbarians are at the gates/ 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are cresting a nearby hill/ pigs flying past...'*

let's pick these suckers off slick :!:

Syntax Error wrote:

coghaugen11 wrote:Legit excuse. He couldn't plant the right foot so just showed a defensive masterclass instead, making Wlad look stupid, and kept going for the KO til the end. Great performance.

Hey, Adam Booth, how are you these days?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

rhino222 wrote:

nobby_nobbins wrote: A local anaesthetic would have numbed the pain but that doesn't mean the foot would have had normal function. You often hear commentators talking about setting down on punches by gripping the canvas with the toes. Well some of that grip would clearly have been missing, pain or not.

complete waffle, your little toe offers least grip of all of your toes, as i said, we actually cut peoples bloody big toes off at work underlocal anaesthetic, we then chuck them in the rubbish, and the patient lies there smiling and listening to matt munroe or sopmething similar. to even suggest haye felt pain is absolute tosh. the little toe is barely responsible for any balance or grip issues.[/quote

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I was told before, that someone who loses their big toe, has to relearn to walk, as most of the weight is on the ball of the foot and the first toe. Is this not true?

A cortisone injection would have completely numbed the area, Haye wouldn't have felt a damned thing.

Is Cortisone banned in the UK for boxers?

the big toe is partly responsible for balance, but if you lost it/one then you would learn very quickly to walk on the outside of your foot but inturn you would end up with referred pain in your knees and hips due to the unusual angles.

as for cortisone!!!... it does not numb anything, corticosteroids are anti-inflammatorries, they play no part at all in local anaesthesia.

MachoMan09 wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: I must concede that Dave's post fight interview did remind me of Big Brother's Victor when he announced to the nation that he "had the sniffles".

macho quoting a Big Brother contestant

fook me i have seen it all now....

*looks out of the window to see if barbarians are at the gates/ 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are cresting a nearby hill/ pigs flying past...'*

2004 post tour leave from Iraq. I watched six weeks of Big Brother religiously and was bang into Geordie Michelle. We all have flaws, mate.

after some of the tours i have done overseas......and the mood i was in when i got back.....i would have banged fatima whitbread and barbara woodhouse and even mo mowlam!!