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Final round wrote:'Haye didn't fight badly and it was a lot closer than the judges had it.
Haye's recieved too much criticism- it's as if people over here wanted to him to do something stupid so he would get knocked out' - Evander Holyfield

King Geedorah wrote:

bad mamma jamma wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:Nice work, Hooky. Never apologise, never explain.

bit pretentious? why never explain? is there some sort of journo's guild on here?

i liked the piece captain hook wrote but it wasnt a beatdown nor a clinic. wlad used his presence to scare haye, which he did, thus wlad only had to use the 1-2 sparingly. both landed few punches per round.

classic beatdowns would include Hagler v Hearns, Chavez v Rosario etc. classic clinics could include fights such as Calzaghe v Lacy, Leonard v Hagler. dont think haye v wlad falls in either catagory to be honest.

Pretentious? Dasein? And I'm not a journalist. Hooky is a bona fide journo.

Only kidding, it was a humorous comment towards a guy I've known for a while, clearly. I only posted because I saw the atypical 'I stopped reading after...' (which wasn't by you) and this is always a really annoying comment to read when you take the time to write something and put it out there. Fair enough if people disagree with Hooky but at least read the full thing.

You think the fight wasn't a clinic? I don't know, there were a lot of jabs.

As for Hagler-Leonard, Marvin actually looked slower in the Mugabi fight. His schedule went from 2-3 per year to 1 and Gil Clancy made note in the HBO build up that Leonard may actually benefit from this as Ray had come back from a break once before, it went slightly wrong so he'd know how to adjust this whereas Marvin had gone from being very busy as a contender, to the titlist schedule and was now very much slowing down. I believe he had a point.

Plus Hagler was much slower as a champion than he had been in his physical prime, he had better movement in fights with Briscoe and his Philly rematches but failed to take the title from Vito and vowed to be more aggressive in his next shot. He then showed this aggressive approach as champion but I feel he sacrificed a few other things to become the 'destruct and destroy' Hagler we saw during his years of rule.

Similar to Sonny Liston, Hagler was arguably a better all rounder in contention but a stronger fighter as a champion due to the fact he didn't want anyone to steal it from him and was incredibly paranoid about going the distance. Who can blame him, he won the Duran fight fairly but was behind going into the old championship distance so his paranoia had a basis.

Captain Hook wrote:Let King Geedorah deal with Bad Mamma Jamma, sure he's typing away now in response....

Close and controversial? Yes.

Classic clinic? Hardly.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Can't really understand how the author of this piece can view the fight as a 'one-sided beatdown'. Jesus, many of the rounds were close, Haye wasn't knocked down and probably was less marked up than Wlad by the end. He clearly lost, but this was only a 'humbling' in context with the let-down following his promises pre-fight, which was all just promoting the contest anyway.

bad mamma jamma wrote:

saad muhammad wrote:Hagler / Leonard, was a close fight how
can it be a clinic.

was it close? for some yes, for others it was quite clear who won. wasnt leonard's display a clinical exhibition as to how to diffuse a pressure fighter? surely i cannot be alone in thinking this?

charlieb wrote:I stopped reading after 'one-sided beatdown'.

bad mamma jamma wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

bad mamma jamma wrote: bit pretentious? why never explain? is there some sort of journo's guild on here?

i liked the piece captain hook wrote but it wasnt a beatdown nor a clinic. wlad used his presence to scare haye, which he did, thus wlad only had to use the 1-2 sparingly. both landed few punches per round.

classic beatdowns would include Hagler v Hearns, Chavez v Rosario etc. classic clinics could include fights such as Calzaghe v Lacy, Leonard v Hagler. dont think haye v wlad falls in either catagory to be honest.

Leonard v Hagler is a "classic clinic" ??????????

Have there ever been a more mis-informed bunch posting on this fecking website?!

Have your own opinion by all means, I for one welcome it, but jeez...

you are also a cheeky pudendum for saying someone with a difference of opinion to you is mis-informed..you seem to react poorly to critique and people with a difference of opinion - you related to smigga?

the way leonard made hagler come to him, unload on his arms and gloves, and then fire away with clusters of accurate shots sure was a clinic,
and by the way, i originally said i liked your piece, i just had an issue with one bit of it...fer fks sake

Riddick Blowe wrote:Can't really understand how the author of this piece can view the fight as a 'one-sided beatdown'. Jesus, many of the rounds were close, Haye wasn't knocked down and probably was less marked up than Wlad by the end. He clearly lost, but this was only a 'humbling' in context with the let-down following his promises pre-fight, which was all just promoting the contest anyway.

Asterix wrote:

charlieb wrote:I stopped reading after 'one-sided beatdown'.

Same here. Ridiculous article.

Asterix wrote:

charlieb wrote:I stopped reading after 'one-sided beatdown'.

Same here. Ridiculous article.

King Geedorah wrote:
As for Hagler-Leonard, Marvin actually looked slower in the Mugabi fight. His schedule went from 2-3 per year to 1 and Gil Clancy made note in the HBO build up that Leonard may actually benefit from this as Ray had come back from a break once before, it went slightly wrong so he'd know how to adjust this whereas Marvin had gone from being very busy as a contender, to the titlist schedule and was now very much slowing down. I believe he had a point.

Plus Hagler was much slower as a champion than he had been in his physical prime, he had better movement in fights with Briscoe and his Philly rematches .

Captain Hook wrote:

Asterix wrote:

charlieb wrote:I stopped reading after 'one-sided beatdown'.

Same here. Ridiculous article.

Thanks Asterix.....care to expand?

We're all entitled to an opinion boys...feel free to do a comment on an upcoming fight (in your own time, and for free) and email it to Boxrec. I'm sure they'd welcome any extra copy.

Ta for the feedback

Asterix wrote:What I read of your article reminded me of the BoxingNews24 website.

Captain Hook wrote:Cheers Ian, appreciated...yours is a thankless task.

For the record, I can see the argument that the word "beatdown" was a little strong, but I'll stick by it.

For my money Haye never looked like switching up a gear, never had Wlad in trouble, stuck rigidly to a gameplan that was not working (while Wlad's did to perfection) and failed to make any real dent in the Ukrainian or adapt to the way the fight was going.

Dancing in and out was not working; getting on his bike proved fruitless. Wlad's jab was too quick. Haye's speed was the only weapon he showed us, though in fairness he took some big shots well

Wlad looked fantastic, Haye looked forlorn and lay the blame at his own feet...quite literally.

He was supposed to hammer Wlad and knock him out. He didn't even bite the bullet at any point and take a few to land a few, he was as stubborn as a mule.

For me it was a very one-sided fight......

All opinions gratefully received, but words like "ridiculous" are a little wide of the mark as far as I'm concerned.

Asterix wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:

Asterix wrote: Same here. Ridiculous article.

Thanks Asterix.....care to expand?

We're all entitled to an opinion boys...feel free to do a comment on an upcoming fight (in your own time, and for free) and email it to Boxrec. I'm sure they'd welcome any extra copy.

Ta for the feedback

Haye wasn't beaten down. His face looked pretty good after the fight. Certainly no worse than Wlad's. What I read of your article reminded me of the BoxingNews24 website.

I'm not a journalist, and I don't wish to be one, so I won't be sending anything in. I can critique boxers without having to join in, as well.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:Cheers Ian, appreciated...yours is a thankless task.

For the record, I can see the argument that the word "beatdown" was a little strong, but I'll stick by it.

For my money Haye never looked like switching up a gear, never had Wlad in trouble, stuck rigidly to a gameplan that was not working (while Wlad's did to perfection) and failed to make any real dent in the Ukrainian or adapt to the way the fight was going.

Dancing in and out was not working; getting on his bike proved fruitless. Wlad's jab was too quick. Haye's speed was the only weapon he showed us, though in fairness he took some big shots well

Wlad looked fantastic, Haye looked forlorn and lay the blame at his own feet...quite literally.

He was supposed to hammer Wlad and knock him out. He didn't even bite the bullet at any point and take a few to land a few, he was as stubborn as a mule.

For me it was a very one-sided fight......

All opinions gratefully received, but words like "ridiculous" are a little wide of the mark as far as I'm concerned.

Agree with all of that. Personally I'd have used 'outclassed' more than 'beaten down' but we're getting into semantics here.

What is beyond doubt is that Wlad won without having to leave his comfort zone at any stage.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I did have to change a piece recently when someone wrote that El Maachi 'dominated' Colin Lynes, or some such observation, which was clearly not the case.

Captain Hook wrote:"Haye wasn't beaten down"...IN YOUR OPINION

In mine he was, no need for the sly digs....I am a news and business journalist who writes about boxing purely for the love of the sport. No better or worse than anyone else, just my opinion and comment after the fight.