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Carbo wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:

Carbo wrote: Really? So, because you thiannk he comes across as a really nice kid, anyone who thinks otherwise is either jealous or racist?

For what it's worth, Amir Khan came across as a lovely kid at the Olympics, and does in training now. But there was a time when he simply didn't. There was the crazy driving, the attitude, and one or two of the stories here about him and his hangers on that seemed to suggest he was developing into something other than a really nice kid.

But irrespective of that, I may think he's a really nice kid, and you might, too, but we don't have the monopoly on something as subjective as whether someone is likable or not. I simply can't understand how you can say, "he's likable" or "she's beautiful" or "that song's great", and that's that, end of story, because that's what I like, so everyone who doesn't is 'wrong'. Two plus two is irrefutably five, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Nor can I understand -- even beyond the risible position that subjective issues have a 'right' and 'wrong' -- how you can make the leap that anything else is racist. Do you even know the race of the people saying they don't like him?

I'm sure there are some racists who don't like him because of his race, but to say that's the only reason people would dislike him is preposterous. And given the heinous nature of actual racism, I think it's better not to go bandying it about in such a blaze manner.

IF you had given me a valid (and I mean valid) reasons for the dislike then I would get it, however my gut feeling is that there are quite a few racists on this and many other boxing forums.

I wouldn't disagree that there will be racists out there who don't like him because he is a Muslim of Pakistani race.

But that doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't like him is racist.

People don't have to have valid reasons to dislike someone, to think someone's ugly, to not like the way a car looks, to not like a painting, to dislike a city, to dislike a song, or anything else along those lines.

Carbo I respect your opinion mate so lets agree to disagree on this one.

TBH I just don't like the whole negativity thing thats being directed at Khan it just smells bad.
For what it's worth the Gypsy guy in here who keeps going on about fury seems kida racist in that "his breed" are nothing more than white people, many.. who don't pay bloody tax! (does this make me a racist??) I find it odd that they have minority status also given that it's there choice to be a minority given that, gays, asians etc etc cant change who they are but Gypsies can, if you see what I mean.
I get that it is their cuture to way the live but it is how they act in life that is how they are judged...the whole thing is fudged to me.

Amir Khan lads a great fighter in my book and we should be celebrating this fact I think.

He may well be a bit of an d**khead, I'm not one to judge. I agree he probably has a few haters because of his race, but i'd say he has more because of his mouth.

His performance against Judah was very impressive though. Judah didn't know where the f**k he was, but he knew he didn't want to be there.

It's starting to get really interesting with Khan now.......

Dan Dares wrote:He may well be a bit of an d**khead, I'm not one to judge. I agree he probably has a few haters because of his race, but i'd say he has more because of his mouth.

His performance against Judah was very impressive though. Judah didn't know where the f**k he was, but he knew he didn't want to be there.

It's starting to get really interesting with Khan now.......

Thing about it Dan is this,

Khan's slightly chinny and not a huge puncher so its always like watching a tightrope act.

One other thing, even when he gets put down he shows a ton of heart.
I was surpised he even got up from the first Prescott knock down.

Jon Saxon wrote:

Dan Dares wrote:He may well be a bit of an d**khead, I'm not one to judge. I agree he probably has a few haters because of his race, but i'd say he has more because of his mouth.

His performance against Judah was very impressive though. Judah didn't know where the f**k he was, but he knew he didn't want to be there.

It's starting to get really interesting with Khan now.......

Thing about it Dan is this,

Khan's slightly chinny and not a huge puncher so its always like watching a tightrope act.

One other thing, even when he gets put down he shows a ton of heart.
I was surpised he even got up from the first Prescott knock down.

He does seem to have great powers of recovery. Against Limond he was face down on the canvas and his eyes looked like marbles, but he hauled himself up, got back into the fight and stopped him in the next round.

He more than proved his chin in the 10th round against Maidana. He got battered, and I'm amazed he never went down. The ref would have been justified in stopping it too. But he came back, which is what champions do. That fight was the first to convince me he's world class, and the Judah fight even more so. Now, I'd love to see him fight Mayweather.

Jon Saxon wrote:

Carbo wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote:
IF you had given me a valid (and I mean valid) reasons for the dislike then I would get it, however my gut feeling is that there are quite a few racists on this and many other boxing forums.

I wouldn't disagree that there will be racists out there who don't like him because he is a Muslim of Pakistani race.

But that doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't like him is racist.

People don't have to have valid reasons to dislike someone, to think someone's ugly, to not like the way a car looks, to not like a painting, to dislike a city, to dislike a song, or anything else along those lines.

Carbo I respect your opinion mate so lets agree to disagree on this one.

TBH I just don't like the whole negativity thing thats being directed at Khan it just smells bad.
For what it's worth the Gypsy guy in here who keeps going on about fury seems kida racist in that "his breed" are nothing more than white people, many.. who don't pay bloody tax! (does this make me a racist??) I find it odd that they have minority status also given that it's there choice to be a minority given that, gays, asians etc etc cant change who they are but Gypsies can, if you see what I mean.
I get that it is their cuture to way the live but it is how they act in life that is how they are judged...the whole thing is fudged to me.

Amir Khan lads a great fighter in my book and we should be celebrating this fact I think.

Completely agree. I'm surprised by the lack of support he gets - he is quality and I, for one, will be supporting him 100% in his future fights. As for the Hatton v Khan legacy thread - what a load of rubbish. I know that people are trying to compare their fights at relative stages but I think the best and only proper way of doing it is at the end of their respective careers. Ps anyone going to Froch v Ward?

Khan has left Warren as earlky as possible and based campin America.

If any comparison is made it should be with Nassem Hamed.

At 24 Nas had beaten Boom Boom Johnson, Manual Medina, Wayne McCulloch and blitzed Belcastro and Stevie Robinson.

He had knocked out Billy Hardy and had his up and down humdinger with Kevin Kelly.

As this point of the career Nassem has achieved more, however he did crash and burn from that point onwards and became less and less ambitious.

That would be a reasonable target for Khan to improve upon.

Ricky Hatton was as much a celebraty as a boxer and to his credit overachieved, his legacy took far to long to get off the ground to be ever considered as a benchmark

kamicazze wrote:The thing is with Hatton's career was the frustration of some fights not happening and inactivity towards the end. He could have fought Arturo Gatti, Mickey Ward, Diego Corrales, Eirik Morales, Barrera, Junior Witter and Juan Manuel Marquez to seal his Legacy however he chose Carlos Maussa. Even at his WBU stages, Hatton would have been backed to beat these names. It took Hatton 39 fights to get his world title where Khan did it in his 22nd fight. Don't forget in many years to come people will look at Khan's record and see the name Marco Antonio Barrera

Haha, you are having a laugh.

Hatton fought Maussa in November 2005 for his WBA title and just after the defining win of his career against Tszyu. It was a good choice of opponent because it meant he won two world titles in two fights (and three in a row when you include the WBA Welterweight title he won against Collazo). On paper Maussa was not a great opponent, but most fighters take a mandatory after a big fight, so Hatton would have been stupid to pass over the opportunity to partly unify the titles at Light Welter.

How much thought did you put into this? Some of the names you mention:

Gatti - had just been beaten up by Mayweather in June 2005 and went 1-2 in his next two fights.
Ward - was retired, having not fought since losing the third bout to Gatti in June 2003.
Corrales - was already scheduled to fight Castillo at Lightweight in October 2005 in a rematch of their Fight of the Year. He lost his next three fights.
Morales - was just after beating Pacquiao at 130lbs and was scheduled to fight Raheem at Lightweight. He lost his next four in a row.
Barrera - did not have a fight above 130lbs until more than three years later, in November 2008.
Witter - was European champion and had no fans. His next fight was Colin Lynes. Would have been good given what Witter achieved afterwards but at the time it was a lot of risk for little reward.
Marquez - was still fighting at 126lbs and his biggest result at the time was a draw with Pacquiao.

Witter and Gatti were the only fighters of the above a case could have been made for, but Maussa offered more than either of them as he had the WBA title.

Dan Dares wrote:He more than proved his chin in the 10th round against Maidana. He got battered, and I'm amazed he never went down. The ref would have been justified in stopping it too. But he came back, which is what champions do. That fight was the first to convince me he's world class, and the Judah fight even more so. Now, I'd love to see him fight Mayweather.

That didn't prove his chin. His chin had him all over the place. It was his stamina and heart that helped him through.

hatton never got knocked out by a prescott level fighter for a start.

clearly hatton at the minute.

khan still hasn't won the proper 140ib title.

admittedly cos bradley won't man up.

hatton beat up a load of kotelnik level opponents.

I'm not sure you can really compare the two until Khan has finished his career. At the end of the day Khan could lose 3 out of his next 4 fights. Then i doubt he will get much of a mention.

Ricky H = Great bloke, a boxer that cared about his fans, and always wanted to appease them.

khan = Impossible to like as a person, and trying to milk fans and PPV for all he can get.

Hatton never milked PPV did he

I'm a Hatton fan but to suggest he didn't make the most of some fights is taking the piss. Lazcano should have been on regular Sky, if not ITV. Shit opponent, shit undercard.

I wouldn't say Khan is any harder to like than Hatton, he's just a bit dim and says things he perhaps shouldn't, whereas Hatton was always on guard with the ''I'm doing it for me fans'' or ''I'm just a normal bloke me mate'' lines.

Personally it is far far too earlier to even entertain thoughts of comparing the legacy of Ricky Hatton and Amir Khan.

still hatton definately, but khan has time and momentum currently to surpass, though i think he will come unstuck against mayweather in 1, 2 or 3 years time. Also im not sure manny has said he would never fight khan, only khan say he wouldnt fight manny.

In my eyes Ricky seemed to do what alot of Brit world champs who win bona-fida world belts do. The title winning fight is often their defining fight and even if they keep winning they seem to have reached their summit and are sliding down the other side. Barry Mac was a perfect example and could be compared to Rickys ascent. Quality European and domestic level opposition mixed in with an odd former world class name(with the exception of Laporte who was still v.dangerous) and then a title shot with the benefit of a massive partisan crowd against a p4pounder past his best. Both had decent wins after winning the title but they both defo peaked in their title winning efforts. You still get the feeling there is plenty more to come from Khan AND that he has not peaked yet.

khans legacy will be alot better than hattons very soon i don't see know one beating him at 140 and 147 other than manny mayweather and maybe Ortiz

wadey wrote:I'm not sure you can really compare the two until Khan has finished his career. At the end of the day Khan could lose 3 out of his next 4 fights. Then i doubt he will get much of a mention.

Ricky H = Great bloke, a boxer that cared about his fans, and always wanted to appease them.

khan = Impossible to like as a person, and trying to milk fans and PPV for all he can get.

Why is khan impossible to like as a person?