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BarryWashington wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

you clearly haven't seen his many of his fights.

gilgamesh wrote:Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: you clearly haven't seen his many of his fights.

Why? that sounds about right to me. He had solid hand speed and decent footwork to set up his bombs. But it was mainly his massive power.

gil glancy : "jackson does everything by the books"

after watching most of his fights in their entirety i would not say that he had "poor defense" or had subpar movement/agility & technique. nope

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He definitely had poor defense. You're doing a lot of nitpicking. If Julian Jackson punched like Cory Spinks he would have sucked. That's all he is trying to say and it's quite accurate.

false. and im nitpicking? riiiiiight . . .

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
My bad, then you're the one that obviously hasn't seen many of his fights. Pretty hypocritical of you to say that to someone else.

if by "hasn't seen that many" u mean all of the ones available then sure thing

mugabi wrote:

King Carlos wrote:The answer is Jackson. I've been watching a whole ass load of fights recently, just to refresh and have some fun. Recently went through a month long festival of watching nothing but great action fights, and I've been doing the same for the big hitters for the past few weeks, just watching any and all weight classes, gaging their power, comparing and contrasting, etc.

Pound for pound nobody I've ever seen on film (much less the past 25 years) has ever had the same effect with their punches on their opponents. He had the pendulum effect going when he swung those meat cleavers, and would put it right through the opponent's face. Similarly awe-inspiring with both the right and left hand. He's the man.

Id have to rate mclellan over jackson . some of his knockouts were absolutely cartoonish he must hold the record for knocking most guys unconscious on their feet putting them out with their body followig their brain in delayed reaction

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
It doesn't really matter if you've seen them all. You might need to watch them again. you're as wrong as someone who has never heard of him. I guess I'll chalk up Julian jackson's defensive prowess with the tremendous Boxing skills of paulie malignaggi. You're slipping.

yep. cause me saying jackson doesn't have a poor defense means im saying it was awesome. and yeah that's what i said about paulie. ur not exaggerating at all here.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Yup, I exaggerated for affect. That doesn't change the fact that both of your statements are laughably wrong.

says who? oh wise and holy saad? let me know when you wanna climb down from that pretentious pedestal u put urself on.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BarryWashington wrote: says who? oh wise and holy saad? let me know when you wanna climb down from that pretentious pedestal u put urself on.

This isn't a pedestal Barry, you're just too stubborn to admit you're talking out of your ass. Jackson had poor defense, says anyone who knows what they are talking about. But it's cute that you find yourself to be a moral compass after I've read you be far more condescending for pages at a time. You're wrong, deal with it.

glad u find it cute. past is the past. things change.

no need in going forward w/this discussion.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
We can agree on that. I like you and you've embarrassed yourself enough.

As for change, change means nothing if you're going to turn into an above it all finger pointing preacher.

not preaching or finger pointing. callin it how i see it.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
That's certainly hypocritical behavior from someone who has done the same thing a million times.

"don't let yesterday use up too much of today"

ever since owl and i reconciled u wont find me being the way i was. im 21. youre in your 40s. think about it.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Age has nothing to do with it. But I know I'm much your elder, you also take these internet arguments far more seriously than I do. It's all in fun for me. It's not fault if you don't understand what kind of fighter Julian jackson was. I'd be happy to educate you on any fighter I'm this familiar with. But you're 21 and you think you know everything. In this situation, you don't know dick.

Tell me again how you're done with this conversation, please?

youre a very insecure person, saad. i hope u realize that.

BarryWashington wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
You know less about me than you do Julian Jackson. But you just broke your own rule again. More condescending and pretentious behavior from Mr. Good Guy. Now the youngster is turning shrink.

then answer this : if u knew ur right and im wrong. why bother arguing? wouldn't that be wasting time?

and if you're not insecure then why do u toot ur own horn at every chance u get and patronize others? what's that? just u "havin fun"?

BarryWashington wrote:and ur answer can be the last say in this. don't care anymore and neither of us are gonna stop.

gilgamesh wrote:Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

Ezzard wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

Gilg

I'd argue one point with you. Isn't punch power generated by technique? I mean he was fighting guys who were the same size as him.

You could argue that he threw them from angles where the other guy didn't see them coming... But even so, I'd say his technique was pretty good.

One thing about Hearns was he bounced Andries around who was a durable guy. Hearns was a welterweight....

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