BoxRec

observer1 wrote:By the sounds of things, i', glad i didnt waste my time on this rubbish.

Boxing is a friggin joke.

I must laugh at people saying "Boxing is dying".

Sorry, Boxing died a long long long time ago

rhino222 wrote:did helenius remind anyone else of corrie sanders, the south african?

rhino222 wrote:did helenius remind anyone else of corrie sanders, the south african?

rhino222 wrote:

Camcas wrote:

rhino222 wrote: so in all seriousness harry, who , apart from the K2 brothers, would beat helenius. he has beaten chirosa who is the best of our bunch.he would KO proce. the yanks have nothing coming through, maybe helenius should fight povetkin next.

Well he has only beaten Chisora because of Sauerland everyone knows he lost to Chisora!! Povetkin and Fury would both walk through Helenius, Solis if in shape would have no trouble with him, Adamek is just such a better boxer if his chin held up he'd win, Chambers and Thompson would walk rings around him and Wach would put him to sleep. Could find more aswell, Helenius is not a top 10 heavyweight or close to that

i disagree totally, and if im proved wrong i will hold my hands up. last nights chirosa beats fury easily in my opinion, so how does helenius be walked over by fury?

Camcas wrote:Fury would be way too big for Helenius too if he was getting hit by Fury not Chisora last night he would have been on the floor

bengulnaci1 wrote:

Camcas wrote:Fury would be way too big for Helenius too if he was getting hit by Fury not Chisora last night he would have been on the floor

Sorry, I can't agree mate. Fury does not punch anything like as hard as he should or even as hard as Chisora. He is a pretty average puncher. He is a busy puncher but certainly not a hard one.

Maxsplit wrote:Fury actually has a pretty impressive KO record [12 from 17 unbeaten fights] - and he takes most opponents out quite early too.

freddydoesdallas wrote:

crusader wrote:

mcato wrote: Helenius was rubbish, unfit threw minimal punches. I dont know how he got those belts. Boxing is dying because of these decisions

There have always been loads of shit decisions and down right fixes, even when boxing was booming.

MachoMan09 wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:Not on here but there are a few on the current scene.

I don't go there. But I once did go there and it resulted in an exchange of private messages with an Israeli bloke who was obsessed with Denis Lebedev. Ari, that was the Israeli's name, had somehow cottoned on to the fact I knew Denis and he asked if I would be able to obtain some signed merchandise on his behalf. We reached an agreement that the next time I saw Denis I would see what I could do. A month or so later I had been able to obtain a signed photograph of Denis that included a personalised message to Ari, albeit in Cyrillic - to the best of my knowledge, at the time, Ari only read Hebrew and English (I subsequently learned that he was also fairly well versed in Arabic but that's inconsequential).

I made contact with Ari and explained that I could post the item or, as I was due to visit Tel Aviv later the same month, we could arrange to meet up and I could deliver in person. Ari lives in Haifa, which is about 90 minutes by road if you put your toe down, and I hadn't been there for a while so thought it might make for an interesting afternoon out. Ari thought that meeting up was a great idea and we set plans in place: date, time, place.

So (to cut a long story short) I arrived at a small bar overlooking Dado beach, the weather was lovely and there wasn't a suicide bomber in sight, the girls were out in their summer finery and the signed Denis Lebedev photo was snugly tucked away in my attaché case (man-bag). I ordered a mineral water and a salad and waited for Ari to arrive. About ten minutes after our agreed rendezvous time a young boy, seven or eight, approached and said "are you the MachoMan" I said "ooh yeah" - he didn't get it - he said "Ari said you must follow me". I explained that I'd just ordered a salad that I had every intention of eating, so Ari would have to wait. I offered to buy the boy a beverage. He asked for a Pepsi. No problem. Our conversation was fairly clipped, his English was limited and my Hebrew is beyond dire.

As I was savouring a mouthful of my salad, it dawned on me that I could just give the lad the photograph. Did I really need to meet Ari? Ari hadn't arrived at the rendezvous and he lived in the same town. I'd travelled from Tel Aviv! I made the decision to hand the photograph to the boy. But as I began to reach into my attaché case he sat bolt upright, jumped down from his chair and ran from the bar. Weird. So I drove back to Tel Aviv, still have the photograph and have never heard from Ari again.

MachoMan09 wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:Not on here but there are a few on the current scene.

I don't go there. But I once did go there and it resulted in an exchange of private messages with an Israeli bloke who was obsessed with Denis Lebedev. Ari, that was the Israeli's name, had somehow cottoned on to the fact I knew Denis and he asked if I would be able to obtain some signed merchandise on his behalf. We reached an agreement that the next time I saw Denis I would see what I could do. A month or so later I had been able to obtain a signed photograph of Denis that included a personalised message to Ari, albeit in Cyrillic - to the best of my knowledge, at the time, Ari only read Hebrew and English (I subsequently learned that he was also fairly well versed in Arabic but that's inconsequential).

I made contact with Ari and explained that I could post the item or, as I was due to visit Tel Aviv later the same month, we could arrange to meet up and I could deliver in person. Ari lives in Haifa, which is about 90 minutes by road if you put your toe down, and I hadn't been there for a while so thought it might make for an interesting afternoon out. Ari thought that meeting up was a great idea and we set plans in place: date, time, place.

So (to cut a long story short) I arrived at a small bar overlooking Dado beach, the weather was lovely and there wasn't a suicide bomber in sight, the girls were out in their summer finery and the signed Denis Lebedev photo was snugly tucked away in my attaché case (man-bag). I ordered a mineral water and a salad and waited for Ari to arrive. About ten minutes after our agreed rendezvous time a young boy, seven or eight, approached and said "are you the MachoMan" I said "ooh yeah" - he didn't get it - he said "Ari said you must follow me". I explained that I'd just ordered a salad that I had every intention of eating, so Ari would have to wait. I offered to buy the boy a beverage. He asked for a Pepsi. No problem. Our conversation was fairly clipped, his English was limited and my Hebrew is beyond dire.

As I was savouring a mouthful of my salad, it dawned on me that I could just give the lad the photograph. Did I really need to meet Ari? Ari hadn't arrived at the rendezvous and he lived in the same town. I'd travelled from Tel Aviv! I made the decision to hand the photograph to the boy. But as I began to reach into my attaché case he sat bolt upright, jumped down from his chair and ran from the bar. Weird. So I drove back to Tel Aviv, still have the photograph and have never heard from Ari again.

King Geedorah wrote:I had Helenius a narrow winner but am assuming I’m the sole person along with that Gareth Davies guy who went against ‘Del Boy’? It was there for him to win. I don’t agree that showboating loses you the round but if you have the energy to piss about for a few secs then you have it to throw a few shots. Chisora did well, I just felt that he didn’t press his advantages as often as he could do and that Helenius created the impression of forcing Dereck into a shell once or twice. We know that Dereck is mad, the judges don’t and EBU judges historically go for what they consider to be clean shots and a rough notion of accuracy – I think that some of Dereck’s work was sloppy and cost him crucial rounds.

Good fight, though. Wouldn’t mind seeing a rematch.

Dang, what am I saying. ROBBERY!! This type of thing would never happen here in the UK (where we were only two rounds away from Prince Arron scoring a SD win in a fight that he lost by a landslide). We don’t do decision robberies over here, we usually just jump in and stop the poor sods as soon as we get the opportunity.

As for the ref, he was a pain but eased off and I think he actually took a shine to Chisora so didn't take any points away, as he could have done, wrongly in my view, due to the amount of warnings he gave out, again some of these were wrong.