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Camcas wrote:Haye is a disgrace to the sport, he should never be allowed to fight again

yiddo14 wrote:Haye stops Del boy if they fight.

Chisora has played a bit of a blinder in terms of getting his name out there. His infamy far
exceeds his actual ability. Sure he put in a spirited performance last night and should be proud but the big bro is there for the taking, I'm convinced of that!

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote: i really do wonder if some of people who post on here actually follow the sport, ali accused frazier of being the white man puppet before jumpinging him live on parkinson, this is part of boxing. Hayes just threw a punch with a bottle in his hand, thats not glassing someone it was just unfortunate.

What a load of sh1t. Times can't change, no? Just because youve no principles doesnt mean we have to see boxing dragged to the level of WWF wrestling. Not everyone needs the drama and immorality to maintain an interest in the sport, its a shame you do.

shame theres people like you who want to change to sport from what it is.

Question to the real fans - when has boxing been bigger and better?

When characters have been involved -
Ali
Nas
Tyson
Eubank
Toney

or

When characters arent involved -
Post lewis / pre haye heavyweight scene?

Yeah them klitschkos really had the masses tunning in and the sport booming

Maybe you would like a borefest - you obviously didnt like the eubank v benn era and ali v frazer days.

God that Muhammed Ali what a mess he made of the sport copying the antics of a wrestler to promote his fights and the sport.

I hear curling is on eurosport 8, quick maybe you should tune in it sounds like your thing!

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote: What a load of sh1t. Times can't change, no? Just because youve no principles doesnt mean we have to see boxing dragged to the level of WWF wrestling. Not everyone needs the drama and immorality to maintain an interest in the sport, its a shame you do.

shame theres people like you who want to change to sport from what it is.

Question to the real fans - when has boxing been bigger and better?

When characters have been involved -
Ali
Nas
Tyson
Eubank
Toney

or

When characters arent involved -
Post lewis / pre haye heavyweight scene?

Yeah them klitschkos really had the masses tunning in and the sport booming

Maybe you would like a borefest - you obviously didnt like the eubank v benn era and ali v frazer days.

God that Muhammed Ali what a mess he made of the sport copying the antics of a wrestler to promote his fights and the sport.

I hear curling is on eurosport 8, quick maybe you should tune in it sounds like your thing!

See, maybe you have trouble seperating out things that are supposed to be seperate, but I'll try and help. Boxing as an activity is entirely seperate from the pub-brawl antics of its 'practioners' outside the ring. Evidence for this: the fact that this tomfoolery is entirely absent from the amateur game, and yet the Olympic boxing will still be well attended. Evidence, part two: that fights take place all over the world, week in and week out, without these shenanigans.

Another part of the picture you seem unwilling to focus properly on is the difference between selling a fight and the thuggery that was on display last night. Ali taunting Frazier should have been unacceptable at the time, and would be today. Everyone but you can see that. As for Eubank and Benn - when did either man threaten to shoot the other? If you cannot see the difference between the essentially pantomime action of some fighters as compared to the undoubtedly real antagonism on display, then more fool you. There is a world of difference between promoting a fight and threatening (and committing) real violence outside the ring.

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote: shame theres people like you who want to change to sport from what it is.

Question to the real fans - when has boxing been bigger and better?

When characters have been involved -
Ali
Nas
Tyson
Eubank
Toney

or

When characters arent involved -
Post lewis / pre haye heavyweight scene?

Yeah them klitschkos really had the masses tunning in and the sport booming

Maybe you would like a borefest - you obviously didnt like the eubank v benn era and ali v frazer days.

God that Muhammed Ali what a mess he made of the sport copying the antics of a wrestler to promote his fights and the sport.

I hear curling is on eurosport 8, quick maybe you should tune in it sounds like your thing!

See, maybe you have trouble seperating out things that are supposed to be seperate, but I'll try and help. Boxing as an activity is entirely seperate from the pub-brawl antics of its 'practioners' outside the ring. Evidence for this: the fact that this tomfoolery is entirely absent from the amateur game, and yet the Olympic boxing will still be well attended. Evidence, part two: that fights take place all over the world, week in and week out, without these shenanigans.

Another part of the picture you seem unwilling to focus properly on is the difference between selling a fight and the thuggery that was on display last night. Ali taunting Frazier should have been unacceptable at the time, and would be today. Everyone but you can see that. As for Eubank and Benn - when did either man threaten to shoot the other? If you cannot see the difference between the essentially pantomime action of some fighters as compared to the undoubtedly real antagonism on display, then more fool you. There is a world of difference between promoting a fight and threatening (and committing) real violence outside the ring.

I noticed you side stepped the Mike Tyson issue

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote: See, maybe you have trouble seperating out things that are supposed to be seperate, but I'll try and help. Boxing as an activity is entirely seperate from the pub-brawl antics of its 'practioners' outside the ring. Evidence for this: the fact that this tomfoolery is entirely absent from the amateur game, and yet the Olympic boxing will still be well attended. Evidence, part two: that fights take place all over the world, week in and week out, without these shenanigans.

Another part of the picture you seem unwilling to focus properly on is the difference between selling a fight and the thuggery that was on display last night. Ali taunting Frazier should have been unacceptable at the time, and would be today. Everyone but you can see that. As for Eubank and Benn - when did either man threaten to shoot the other? If you cannot see the difference between the essentially pantomime action of some fighters as compared to the undoubtedly real antagonism on display, then more fool you. There is a world of difference between promoting a fight and threatening (and committing) real violence outside the ring.

I noticed you side stepped the Mike Tyson issue

I'll address it now then. Rape conviction should have meant - off the gravy train. I'll admit to not having encyclopaedic knowledge of Tysons life, which I'm sure you'll pillory me for, but if it was up to me, from what I know of his childhood he should have had counselling of some kind, as an adult he should have not ended up as the tool of enrichment of men who didn't care what damage he did on the way. Because one flawed man produced fights we enjoyed watching, does not mean we should overlook what it did to the rest of society while we were not looking.

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote:
I noticed you side stepped the Mike Tyson issue

I'll address it now then. Rape conviction should have meant - off the gravy train. I'll admit to not having encyclopaedic knowledge of Tysons life, which I'm sure you'll pillory me for, but if it was up to me, from what I know of his childhood he should have had counselling of some kind, as an adult he should have not ended up as the tool of enrichment of men who didn't care what damage he did on the way. Because one flawed man produced fights we enjoyed watching, does not mean we should overlook what it did to the rest of society while we were not looking.

What im asking is do you think he should have been banned from boxing as you think haye and chisora should be. And by extension what do you think it would have done to the history of boxing and its current status if he had been banned and hadnt continued his career?

G0mez wrote:Disgraceful.

I'd never be photographed with a bacardi breezer.

Adamj1987 wrote:

forcefraser wrote:Chisora is a wild man. Born in Zimbabwe and moved to the uk when he was young. Doesn`t that make him about as British as Lennox Lewis is Candian?

Or jamaican

dragons wrote:

hitman_hatton1 wrote:chisora is a complete twat.

haye beats the shit out of him if they ever fight.

compared to slapping vitali.

what he did at the post fight presser was 20 times worse.

David Haye is also a complete twat. It's not the 1st time he's let himself down in Germany is it.

Chisora v Haye ... No thanks !

Ban both fighters.

King Tubby wrote:Have to agree with Matt here. I've always had respect for fighters over other Sportsmen, but that was demeaning to the sport and all the great people who have ever been involved in it.

kingfinn wrote:

Stevolad wrote:Aren't bottles of water plastic nowadays???? All the ones I get are....

it was beer to be fair

@matt___s wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

@matt___s wrote:
I noticed you side stepped the Mike Tyson issue

I'll address it now then. Rape conviction should have meant - off the gravy train. I'll admit to not having encyclopaedic knowledge of Tysons life, which I'm sure you'll pillory me for, but if it was up to me, from what I know of his childhood he should have had counselling of some kind, as an adult he should have not ended up as the tool of enrichment of men who didn't care what damage he did on the way. Because one flawed man produced fights we enjoyed watching, does not mean we should overlook what it did to the rest of society while we were not looking.

What im asking is do you think he should have been banned from boxing as you think haye and chisora should be. And by extension what do you think it would have done to the history of boxing and its current status if he had been banned and hadnt continued his career?

@matt___s wrote:

jessi wrote:

@matt___s wrote:No thanks.

After watching that, I think both men should be told by the BBBofC that their days of fighting in this country are over. That is not restraint of trade, that is simply two fighters trying to act like children or animals in an era where we have enough trouble with people behaving like that. And to be honest, there looked like (an intentional?) lack of security allowed that to happen.

Stop talking nonsense, haye was provoked and reacted, it's just sold another fight, if you don't want to watch it then don't.

Where is the line supposed to be drawn, then? When does that behaviour stop being rewarded? When does it stop being defended? Anything to keep the little bubble that is boxing and its media from imploding eh?
IMO, I would be quite happy to never see either man fight again. If they do fight again, I will not put my hand in my pocket to see it.

From slapping a man in the mouth, with whom you intend to engage in a sporting contest later, to spitting into the face of the same mans brother, to then physically confronting the fighter, after you were fairly beaten, and thinking that this is acceptable behaviour and in some way makes you valid for a rematch, is laughable and should be rejected out of hand by all concerned and the viewing public.

And then the press conference, Chisora confronting Haye, Haye assaulting Chisora with a glass bottle, both men forgetting that they are supposed to be their most effective and violent selves inside the ring not out of it, and then Chisora threatening extreme violence against Haye. Not saying 'see you in the ring, David', or 'lets settle this like the boxers we are', instead he resorts to threatening to shoot and burn him. Not big, not clever, and the whole situation is not a good example to anyone, a young fan or a young boxer.

Contrast this with the behaviour of the Klitschko's - they have behaved impeccably all throughout this, and yet everyone is trying to applaud Haye and Chisora for 'selling the fight', as if it needed to be sold on anything other than the combination of their fighting styles and their career arcs. Why are we not talking more about the good example of the Kitschko's and less about Haye and Chisora?

Goz wrote:Frankie W@rren just said on Radio 5 Live, he will not promote Chisora-Haye.

Monday 20th February, 2012. 9.25am. Note it down.

Syntax Error wrote:I must admit that this whole scenario is almost a thing if genius.

Chisora is 0-3 in his last 3 & David Haye should still be walking around with a disguise after 'toegate' last Summer, yet we're all clamouring to see the two of the square off.

Then again, the whole thing might be pointless unless Haye stops doing a 'Lord Lucan' and returns to society.

MachoMan09 wrote:

Goz wrote:Frankie W@rren just said on Radio 5 Live, he will not promote Chisora-Haye.

Monday 20th February, 2012. 9.25am. Note it down.

He wouldn't have said that unless he meant it. He's probably already done the arithmetic and worked out the safe bet is taking his management percentage from Chisora's purse and any other extras available along the way.

kingfinn wrote:

john welsh wrote:

Neri wrote:I'm in shock. haye is clearly holding something in his hand there.

yes a piece of a bottle.the rest is over del boys head

No its not. Are you blind or something, he's clearly punching chisora with the bottle in his hand rather than smashing it over his head. I can tell you now a clean punch from a heavyweight will do more damage than bashing a little bottle on someones head.

The bottle still in one piece technically he hasnt even bottled chisora.

mrbassie wrote:

kingfinn wrote:

john welsh wrote: yes a piece of a bottle.the rest is over del boys head

No its not. Are you blind or something, he's clearly punching chisora with the bottle in his hand rather than smashing it over his head. I can tell you now a clean punch from a heavyweight will do more damage than bashing a little bottle on someones head.

The bottle still in one piece technically he hasnt even bottled chisora.

I clearly see Haye's hand hitting Chisora's shoulder and the bottle hitting his face.