BoxRec

SteveDow wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.

The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

Andypittcov wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.

The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.

The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

OK

Peter Buckley

Is he trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?

Should he be banned?

SteveDow wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:

SteveDow wrote: The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0

Indeed, this was exactly the issue John Higgins was brought to book over and I didn't see many people defending him.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Andypittcov wrote: And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0

Indeed, this was exactly the issue John Higgins was brought to book over and I didn't see many people defending him.

Well not on boxing forums you wouldnt.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.

The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

OK

Peter Buckley

Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?

Should he be banned?

stujones wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote: The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

OK

Peter Buckley

Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?

Should he be banned?

If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.

You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

stujones wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
OK

Peter Buckley

Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?

Should he be banned?

If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.

You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.

So the only evidence acceptable is when someone admits something?

Andypittcov wrote:I suspect the guys saying there's no big issue here have never lost money betting

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:I suspect the guys saying there's no big issue here have never lost money betting

Yeah, probably.


I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....

Andypittcov wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:I suspect the guys saying there's no big issue here have never lost money betting

Yeah, probably.


I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....

I thought that would be the response, bit like saying if you buy a beer laced with poison it's ur own fault for being a drinker

Andypittcov wrote:

SteveDow wrote:

Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.

The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Yeah, probably.


I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....

I thought that would be the response, bit like saying if you buy a beer laced with poison it's ur own fault for being a drinker

If i knew the pub had a long, long, history of spiking peoples drinks and i kept drinking there, then i agree, it would be my fault.

baulks wrote:Froch has now retracted the statement claiming it should not be taken seriously. What a idiotic thing to say. He's dug a grave for himself and with the fallout from the Chisora/Haye debaucle, British Boxing is the real loser here. What the hell is wrong with our so-called pros, they are screwing everything up.

The BBBC wil be working overtime to see them all punished.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

baulks wrote:Froch has now retracted the statement claiming it should not be taken seriously. What a idiotic thing to say. He's dug a grave for himself and with the fallout from the Chisora/Haye debaucle, British Boxing is the real loser here. What the hell is wrong with our so-called pros, they are screwing everything up.

The BBBC wil be working overtime to see them all punished.

Whilst ignoring things like fixed fights and performance enhancing drugs.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Yeah, probably.


I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....

I thought that would be the response, bit like saying if you buy a beer laced with poison it's ur own fault for being a drinker

If i knew the pub had a long, long, history of spiking peoples drinks and i kept drinking there, then i agree, it would be my fault.

stujones wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote: The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.

OK

Peter Buckley

Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?

Should he be banned?

If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.

You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.

SteveDow wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote: Completely agree. I don't see how anyone can see it in any other way.

Utter, utter excrement.


By that logic, Muhammad Ali vs. Ernie Terrell was a fix.



Morons.

The only moron on the forum is you if you cannot see why what Froch said he did could not be construed as breaching boxing and gambling regulations. The guy said he delibarately did not finish a fight in the 4th round so that his family could win money by him instead finishing it in the fifth round. He may have subsequently retracted the statement but he did say it.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

Andypittcov wrote:I suspect the guys saying there's no big issue here have never lost money betting

Yeah, probably.


I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....