cleverly v Robin Krasniqi

[Datsue]

Chilemba was the one who beat Miranda...Chilemba is something like #13 with the WBO
Uzelkov is the Ukrainian who lost to Gutknecht, don't think he'll be ranked with the WBO though
Sillahk isn't ranked by the WBO either

All 3 would be 50-50 match ups

Cheers mate! You are the boy when it comes to filling in the ever-widening gaps in my memory.



But yeah. The two who beat Miranda, I can't even remember which one's which, but one's a bloody novice. Get him over FFS. At least Clev'd learn something, & I can't see how "The unbeaten cat who just tamed big-hitting former world title challenger Edison Miranda!!!! UNBEATEN!!" is a worse sell than "Fifteenth best Serbo-Croat in his division! Once lost to an Albanian minicab driver! You won't be able to pronounce his name!"

But I haven't done PR stuff for years, so what do I know?

[Datsue]

He's being done a long-term disservice by not having fights which truly test him & allow his skills to grow & --via learning against decent opposition-- extend his capabilities, whatever they turn out to be.

And this has been my biggest gripe with W@rren, for years. He claims to be the biggest and best in the country but does f@!* all to improve any fighters. he matches them softly, especially if they are viewed as 'prospects' and basically unless they a JC, all it does is delay the inevitable.

I dismayed when Khan signed with him and Degale. Atleast Khan got away and has featured in much, much higher profile fights and got better. Degale is treading water, Brook left and has shown some improvements in both opposition and activity. Nathan needs to do the same as the lad does want to test himself and is confident in his own ability. W@rren will just stifle that and kill any improvements, at the expense of profit, for himself first and foremost.

Proper boxing fans know a shower of s*** when they see one.

See, the thing is, I think that what I like to call "The David Lemieux syndrome" kicks in, eventually. If no-one ever tries to hit you back, then one day you get some dude in who isn't that handy but is willing to give it some on the night, & you end up losing to a guy everyone expects you to beat & you look like a pillock. I can the see the fiscal reasons why they keep him on the leash, like, but he's on the leash, muzzled, spayed & neutered (is that even possible?) & if he ever gets in a dogfight, it's not going to do him much good.

[earsjohn]

He's being done a long-term disservice by not having fights which truly test him & allow his skills to grow & --via learning against decent opposition-- extend his capabilities, whatever they turn out to be.

And this has been my biggest gripe with W@rren, for years. He claims to be the biggest and best in the country but does f@!* all to improve any fighters. he matches them softly, especially if they are viewed as 'prospects' and basically unless they a JC, all it does is delay the inevitable.

I dismayed when Khan signed with him and Degale. Atleast Khan got away and has featured in much, much higher profile fights and got better. Degale is treading water, Brook left and has shown some improvements in both opposition and activity. Nathan needs to do the same as the lad does want to test himself and is confident in his own ability. W@rren will just stifle that and kill any improvements, at the expense of profit, for himself first and foremost.

Proper boxing fans know a shower of s*** when they see one.

While I agree in principle, I think your a bit harsh on DeGale. He beat Dilks in a UK title eliminator in his 8th fight, won the title against Smigga next up, lost by the closest possible margin to Groves in a huge PPV fight before winning the European title in only his 12th fight. His next fight (although there remains doubt over the extent to which Warren is involved there) is a defence of his title against a former world and european titlist. That's not a bad resumé for 13 fights.

Problem I have with Cleverly is that I really want to like him - I was excited by him as he came up and he was really impressing me around the time of the McIntosh and Brancalion fights. It seems that the war with Murat has forced the brakes to be put on as he's been matched terribly since then. I think they took the Bellew fight thinking it'd be a lot simpler than it turned out to be and are consequently frightened into taking a risk. He's a good lad with a sound head on his shoulders, but just seems to be suffering from the WBO route that Warren so loves.

[Bard of Boxrec]

They can't be that unsure of his ability to hold his own at the fringes of world class, surely?

I think they are. And for good reason. Which potential world class fighters would barely squeak by Tony fricken Bellew?? A guy like Carl Froch demolished his domestic opposition on his way up - and he wasn't even proven to be a puncher at the highest level.

You mention how his opponents should get gradually better to 'test him'. But the point is, they have. Murat and Bellew are the best fighters Cleverly can beat. Look how competitive those fights were! If you're FW, how do you envisage him stepping up a level from those encounters? Lad will get blasted!

FW has so much faith in his man that he wants none of that Kuznetsova guy (actually, that may or may not be a female tennis player) who lost to Jurgen Braemer, and is desperately trying to convince the WBO to sanction the fight with his preferred bum who has spent his days winning points decisions against some of the lowest ranked tomato cans in the game.

WHAT CONFIDENCE!!!

[Alexey Uralets]

No shit, no Krasniqi. Franky stop running from our russian Dmitry Sukhotsky. Dima is a mandatory - he will come to Wales and KO Nathan. It is the only way to win here mostly LOL

[llamalew]

Ok I agree the proposed opponent is an utter shit fight to be called a world title fight, but did anyone really expect anything better with the fight only being about 5 weeks away. This fight is more about getting boxing back at the Albert hall and nothing else. Not saying Clev is ready or is gonna fight hopkins or Dawson any time soon, but this is only a keeping busy fight til some slightly bigger name later in the summer. I do believe that the better the opposition the better Clev will perform. Only someone with a big punch will beat Clev as I think he has a good chin and his workrate and stamina would be good enough for most.

[dve3333]

After the WBO stated that Krasniqi fight "can’t and won’t be sanctioned" they have done a u-turn quicker than Amir Khan and have today sanctioned the bout for April 28th!
Brutal, brutal match-up and harkens back to the days of FW's great matchmaking with Calzaghe

[JamesH]

After the WBO stated that Krasniqi fight "can’t and won’t be sanctioned" they have done a u-turn quicker than Amir Khan and have today sanctioned the bout for April 28th!
Brutal, brutal match-up and harkens back to the days of FW's great matchmaking with Calzaghe

During Bunces show on Monday they were still advertising it as Cleverly-Krasniqi. A joke of a match which will do nothing for Nathan.

[leforge]

After the WBO stated that Krasniqi fight "can’t and won’t be sanctioned" they have done a u-turn quicker than Amir Khan and have today sanctioned the bout for April 28th!
Brutal, brutal match-up and harkens back to the days of FW's great matchmaking with Calzaghe

Dreadful I wonder why they changed their minds!!!

[Tommy Gunn13]

What a surprise that the WBO didnt stick to there original decision

[NazNaci1]

So this fight is now going ahead? Excellent. Seriously nothing surprises me. And what is on the agenda after this piss poor mismatch?? Nathan - Enzo in Wales?

What really is surprising is that W@rren tells everyone he 'wants' to match Nathan with the winner of the Hopkins - Dawson fight and yet the guy does everything in his power to match Nathan as softly as possible. This can only mean that W@rren really has confidence in his man and is willing to make a few £££ for himself before Nathan carries off a famous win against either Hopkins or Dawson OR his is bulls******g everyone. Given his past form, I tend to think it is the latter.

Great work from the WBO btw. Keep that No1 contender waiting.....Despite agreeing that it was a condition of fighting him, prior to Nathan's last mistmatch

[john welsh]

When this fight starts to get hyped again like that disgrace of a fight in cleverlys last fight against someone called tommy..
we should boycott

[freddydoesdallas]

When this fight starts to get hyped again like that disgrace of a fight in cleverlys last fight against someone called tommy..
we should boycott

That we should but people are easily swayed by exposure, advertising and loyalty to a fighter despite the truth hurting you more than Cleverly's next opponent will