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Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 06:41
by theone
In my opinion at 140lbs prime Chavez beats Delahoya, but it'll be far, far from easy. Laporte is not in Delahoya's league and Molina is far from Chavez's.
Neither Chavez nor Delahoya beat fighters as great as the other, unless you count Oscars "victory" over Whitaker.
Just my two cents.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 07:12
by Ezzard
I don’t think Chavez ever looked quite the same at 140. Might have had some of his best results there but his power always seemed severely diminished to me above 135.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 07:13
by Counter-puncher
Ezzard wrote:I don’t think Chavez ever looked quite the same at 140. Might have had some of his best results there but his power always seemed severely diminished to me above 135.
well he sure smashed Taylor's face in for him just as spectacularly as he did Rosario's.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 14:32
by SaadOffTheDeck
Ezzard wrote:I don’t think Chavez ever looked quite the same at 140. Might have had some of his best results there but his power always seemed severely diminished to me above 135.
I think he was better at 140 than he was at 130, much stronger and his skills were honed.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 15:56
by theone
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ezzard wrote:I don’t think Chavez ever looked quite the same at 140. Might have had some of his best results there but his power always seemed severely diminished to me above 135.
I think he was better at 140 than he was at 130, much stronger and his skills were honed.
I agree with this. At 130lb he seemed a bit weight drained in some of his fights. I actually think he appeared his best at 135lb; i know he was only there for a few fights but man, he looked like a monster. Wish he would have hung out there longer.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 21:25
by elmersalsa
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:elmersalsa wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Nope, it's the truth. As painful as it might be for you to accept, Oscar was a better fighter than Rosario, Ramirez, Lockridge, LaPorte, etc..
You must be out of your mind. I don't see Oscar whupping none of those guys above. They were very good.
Juan Laporte is greater than DelaHoya?

Was better than any other fighter that De La Hoya beat. Do not bring the Whitaker or Chavez victories...They were past their very best.
I don't see Vargas better than La Porte either.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 21:26
by elmersalsa
theone wrote:In my opinion at 140lbs prime Chavez beats Delahoya, but it'll be far, far from easy. Laporte is not in Delahoya's league and Molina is far from Chavez's.
Neither Chavez nor Delahoya beat fighters as great as the other, unless you count Oscars "victory" over Whitaker.
Just my two cents.
2x...Thanks for coming The One.
Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 21:42
by Goodnight, Irene
"2x???"
He directly contradicts you when he says Chavez never beat anyone as good as De La Hoya, but now you're on board with that? Did you borrow some of what you alleged Saad to be smoking?

Re: Very Indecisive Hypotheticals
Posted: 29 Mar 2012, 22:10
by SaadOffTheDeck
elmersalsa wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:elmersalsa wrote:
You must be out of your mind. I don't see Oscar whupping none of those guys above. They were very good.
Juan Laporte is greater than DelaHoya?

Was better than any other fighter that De La Hoya beat. Do not bring the Whitaker or Chavez victories...They were past their very best.
I don't see Vargas better than La Porte either.
LOL, you don't even try to follow along in a conversation.