Boxing Clever - Enzo should quit but no sympathy for Shane

[damianhucker1]

OK, everyone here will admit that Shane is a drinker and that he has not lived the life. I refuse to start patting him on the back for stopping drinking duringa five week training camp. So there are no 'false accusations'. To be fair it isn't 'solely my opinion' and is shared by a number of people.

Keep attacking if you want..the opinions are strong enough to take it. They are even strong enough to take a patronising fob off.

Keep well

Isnt that bold text a bit strange ,you said he didnt drink for his training camp , but wont pat him on the back for that therfor no false accusations , pretty sure the entire thread is based on the accusation that he didnt prepare properly for the fight and you therfor had no sympathy .

Your just contradicting yourself

as i already stated ,

I look forward to your next on article on criticising F rank W arren .

If its ok for boxrec to allow bull to be published about shane then they will allow you to the same on allegedly surely ?????

Nah thought not !!

If you think that giving up the pop for five weeks during a training camp is the cornerstone of a well conditioned athlete then you are beyond help/

Conditioning is a long drawn out process and if you don't love the life then you will not be at 100%. i never said he staggerd to the ring so no contradictions

But if you think that five weeks off the ale is enough to get Shane to he peak of his powers then that is your call!!

you said he didnt prepare properly mate , dont try to twist it ,

He didnt drink and trained hard , what more could he have done to prepare for this fight , im not talking about his life or his career im talking about this individual fight ,

If you cant take that in then it you who is beyond help im afraid , on the money boxers get to expect them to live like monks for a fight they may never get is rediculous .

a bit like asking you to never write a crap article in case you get offered a journalism job with a newspaper and it comes back to haunt you in the future , but good luck with that .


Edit :

Just to clarify im not saying a boxer shouldnt live the boxers life , of course it vastly helps their career , but to EXPECT everyone to do is just not gonna happen ,
Footballers on the money they get then fine , but sometimes a boxer may not be offered a fight for a year yet you expect them to be t total and in the gym day in day out , it really aint gonna happen in the main .

[damianhucker1]

Damian, I think you're being a bit blinkered, mate. Perhaps because you know Shane. His output died significantly from the fourth and, in his own words "he was struggling to breathe". Now, unless there is an undisclosed medical explanation, he was either not fit enough to work hard for 12 rounds, not cute enough to pace himself, or a combination of both. Both these things occur as a result of inadequate preparation. How can you disagree with that?

I agree with that he was knackered ive said that from the start , but his preperation was above and beyond anything hes done before , he couldnt have been more ready , he had a game plan that almost worked , he was never gonna outbox him over the distance , we know that .

Im fully aware of his Limitations in and out of the ring , but he DID put the effort into his training , i dont care what some jumped up pretend journalist thinks , he can keep his opinion as i know its not the truth .

what more was expected of shane in preperation , no drinking and 100 % effort , with a good game plan , explain what more he could have done , he cant rewind time to stop himself drinking in the past etc , so how on earth was he meant to prepare better for this particular fight ?????

His past is his past , he was training for a future fight not a past fight .

Think of it this way , if i took you into a gym , trained you for a Title fight and you got blown away , no matter how much effort you had put into it , would that be a lack of preperation or would it be more likely that you probably just wasnt good enough , point im making is shane worked with strengths , that was the way he was going to win , no matter how much he worked on his weaknesses he wasnt going to get them up to a standard to put him on a par with enzo .

[thepocketrocket]

So his lifestyle contributed to the defeat...

Preparation is a lifes work...it isn't case of 'get out of the pub Shane, you have a fight in five weeks'

The first thing he did when he won the title was get drunk. The first thing he did when he was robbed was say he was off to get drunk.

The man should be an athlete....the final five weeks are getting you up to that elite level when you aren't dead after three rounds.

This doesn't seem a hard concept but Mr hucker is struggling here

[thepocketrocket]

I am glad you acknowlege he has limitations out of the ring..and I imagine Carl Greaves hasn't switched water for Carlsberg Special Brew in the corner during training.

But if he wants to make the most of his talents he has to live the life....he needs to become an athlete.

It is only then we will see how good he is!!!

[damianhucker1]

So his lifestyle contributed to the defeat...

Preparation is a lifes work...it isn't case of 'get out of the pub Shane, you have a fight in five weeks'

The first thing he did when he won the title was get drunk. The first thing he did when he was robbed was say he was off to get drunk.

The man should be an athlete....the final five weeks are getting you up to that elite level when you aren't dead after three rounds.

This doesn't seem a hard concept but Mr hucker is struggling here

Unless he was going to build a time machine what the hell more was he meant to do , you said he hadnt prepared properly for THIS fight , he cant rewind time , he wasnt preparing for life he was preparing for enzo ,

Your obviously too stubborn to take in anyone else's view , you believe your right when you clearly arent .

fact is HE DID prepare properly , ill remember in future to include a time machine as part of our gym equipment .

its pretty obvious youve never boxed , its all nice and easy to say from the outside when you dont have to make that same commitment

[damianhucker1]

Damian, I think you're being a bit blinkered, mate. Perhaps because you know Shane. His output died significantly from the fourth and, in his own words "he was struggling to breathe". Now, unless there is an undisclosed medical explanation, he was either not fit enough to work hard for 12 rounds, not cute enough to pace himself, or a combination of both. Both these things occur as a result of inadequate preparation. How can you disagree with that?

I agree with that he was knackered ive said that from the start , but his preperation was above and beyond anything hes done before , he couldnt have been more ready , he had a game plan that almost worked , he was never gonna outbox him over the distance , we know that .

Im fully aware of his Limitations in and out of the ring , but he DID put the effort into his training , i dont care what some jumped up pretend journalist thinks , he can keep his opinion as i know its not the truth .

what more was expected of shane in preperation , no drinking and 100 % effort , with a good game plan , explain what more he could have done , he cant rewind time to stop himself drinking in the past etc , so how on earth was he meant to prepare better for this particular fight ?????

His past is his past , he was training for a future fight not a past fight .

Shane can live his life how he sees fit. You only get one so do what you want with it. There are some people, though, who would choose not to regress the progress they have made in training by taking weeks out of the gym and living soft between fights. A few days off, maybe, but not weeks. I don't want to take this down the line of explaining how training adaptations occur and how they can be lost over time etc. Had he chosen to get straight back into the gym i.e. three or four days - a week tops, after his fight with Leon, he would've been better placed to maintain a decent output versus Enzo.

i completely agree , but whats happened in the past cant be changed , all he can do is go forward , ive no arguement against your points macho in the slightest .

He had to train for that fight and prepare his best , he cant go back in time so he did prepare to the best he could , we know theres more that COULD hve been done in his general lifestyle but in my view thats a completely seperate debate

[thepocketrocket]

Damian, I think you're being a bit blinkered, mate. Perhaps because you know Shane. His output died significantly from the fourth and, in his own words "he was struggling to breathe". Now, unless there is an undisclosed medical explanation, he was either not fit enough to work hard for 12 rounds, not cute enough to pace himself, or a combination of both. Both these things occur as a result of inadequate preparation. How can you disagree with that?

I agree with that he was knackered ive said that from the start , but his preperation was above and beyond anything hes done before , he couldnt have been more ready , he had a game plan that almost worked , he was never gonna outbox him over the distance , we know that .

Im fully aware of his Limitations in and out of the ring , but he DID put the effort into his training , i dont care what some jumped up pretend journalist thinks , he can keep his opinion as i know its not the truth .

what more was expected of shane in preperation , no drinking and 100 % effort , with a good game plan , explain what more he could have done , he cant rewind time to stop himself drinking in the past etc , so how on earth was he meant to prepare better for this particular fight ?????

His past is his past , he was training for a future fight not a past fight .

Shane can live his life how he sees fit. You only get one so do what you want with it. There are some people, though, who would choose not to regress the progress they have made in training by taking weeks out of the gym and living soft between fights. A few days off, maybe, but not weeks. I don't want to take this down the line of explaining how training adaptations occur and how they can be lost over time etc. Had he chosen to get straight back into the gym i.e. three or four days - a week tops, after his fight with Leon, he would've been better placed to maintain a decent output versus Enzo.

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[thepocketrocket]

So his lifestyle contributed to the defeat...

Preparation is a lifes work...it isn't case of 'get out of the pub Shane, you have a fight in five weeks'

The first thing he did when he won the title was get drunk. The first thing he did when he was robbed was say he was off to get drunk.

The man should be an athlete....the final five weeks are getting you up to that elite level when you aren't dead after three rounds.

This doesn't seem a hard concept but Mr hucker is struggling here

Watch you don't fall off your self appointed pedestal won't you??

Defend your theory behind the article all you want but the vast majority of the replies to this thread are not complimentary....i hope you have a day job that doesn't involve writing about boxing mate.

I do mate! So thanks!

[damianhucker1]

I agree with that he was knackered ive said that from the start , but his preperation was above and beyond anything hes done before , he couldnt have been more ready , he had a game plan that almost worked , he was never gonna outbox him over the distance , we know that .

Im fully aware of his Limitations in and out of the ring , but he DID put the effort into his training , i dont care what some jumped up pretend journalist thinks , he can keep his opinion as i know its not the truth .

what more was expected of shane in preperation , no drinking and 100 % effort , with a good game plan , explain what more he could have done , he cant rewind time to stop himself drinking in the past etc , so how on earth was he meant to prepare better for this particular fight ?????

His past is his past , he was training for a future fight not a past fight .

Shane can live his life how he sees fit. You only get one so do what you want with it. There are some people, though, who would choose not to regress the progress they have made in training by taking weeks out of the gym and living soft between fights. A few days off, maybe, but not weeks. I don't want to take this down the line of explaining how training adaptations occur and how they can be lost over time etc. Had he chosen to get straight back into the gym i.e. three or four days - a week tops, after his fight with Leon, he would've been better placed to maintain a decent output versus Enzo.

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But thats not what you said is it mate , you said he didnt prepare properly for the fight , no other debate matters , mach is touching on a different subjectr as to wether hes lived the life , yes it would help him long term but fact remains he has no time machine so couldnt prepare differently for THIS PARTICULAR FIGHT .

Im off to the gym , ill go order the time machine while im there

[thepocketrocket]

He didn't prepare properly. Going on benders and then relying on a five week training camp to get yourself up to a decent level of fitness isn't perperation my friend.

You would have thought, as a champion, that he would have thought 'bloody hell, I am British champion, no beer or crap, let's make the most of this chance'. Instead he went on the pop, and as Macho says , if he had got back in the gym he would have had more of a chance of a better punch output. So to me, that isn't ideal preperation

You would have thought, when he had been shafted against Enzo he would have thought 'bloody hell, I have been shafted, get us back in the gym Carl, no beer or crap, I'm gonna get that title back.'

Instead we got talk of a twelve day bender because he missed out on Paddy's day.

You can't change the past, but no matter what happens he doesn't seem to be making much attempt to change the future

[clintonmcphilbin]

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/03/ ... -want.html

[thepocketrocket]

Brilliant news. That's what we want to see. Proof of the pudding is in the eating but happy with the sentiment.. a fit Mcphilbin has an awesome chance of winning this.

[damianhucker1]

Glad to see that when i returned from the gym that Clinton has already answered the last question .



Ive no more to add on this thread , ive made my point , like it or lump it .

[thepocketrocket]

Glad to see that when i returned from the gym that Clinton has already answered the last question .



Ive no more to add on this thread , ive made my point , like it or lump it .

We are all entitled to an opinion...opinions are like assholes.........................................

A mans words paint a picture of him for the world...hopefully these new found sensible, driven words by Shane are a sign of things to come.....

[Matt Teague]

the verdict was fair.

stopped reading at this point - fair... it couldn't have been any LESS fair.

imagine Mayweather lands a huge shot on Cotto and puts him down in the first, Cotto gets back to his feet, just, at the count of 8 or 9.... then the bell goes 47 seconds early.

Later on in the fight Cotto lands a jackpot punch and KO's floyd...


how many people would be saying that was fair? Somehow i think the fight would be instantly ruled a no contest, followed by some aggressive legal action from mayweather.

great post

[fatcity69]

OK, everyone here will admit that Shane is a drinker and that he has not lived the life. I refuse to start patting him on the back for stopping drinking duringa five week training camp. So there are no 'false accusations'. To be fair it isn't 'solely my opinion' and is shared by a number of people.

Keep attacking if you want..the opinions are strong enough to take it. They are even strong enough to take a patronising fob off.

Keep well

Isnt that bold text a bit strange ,you said he didnt drink for his training camp , but wont pat him on the back for that therfor no false accusations , pretty sure the entire thread is based on the accusation that he didnt prepare properly for the fight and you therfor had no sympathy .

Your just contradicting yourself

as i already stated ,

I look forward to your next on article on criticising F rank W arren .

If its ok for boxrec to allow bull to be published about shane then they will allow you to the same on allegedly surely ?????

Nah thought not !!

If you think that giving up the pop for five weeks during a training camp is the cornerstone of a well conditioned athlete then you are beyond help/

Conditioning is a long drawn out process and if you don't love the life then you will not be at 100%. i never said he staggerd to the ring so no contradictions

But if you think that five weeks off the ale is enough to get Shane to he peak of his powers then that is your call!!

You dont know much about boxers if you think most of them dont touch 'pop' at all inbetween fights!!???. Its plain to me that all this talk of Shanes conditioning or lack of it is just a smokescreen for the fact that the lad was diabolically ripped off and the whole situation stunk to high heaven, end of story!. With all due respect, if you are a serious boxing writer you should be concentrating on the fact that a young fighter has been robbed of his title rather than worrying about how the lad lives his life between fights.

[fatcity69]

the verdict was fair.

stopped reading at this point - fair... it couldn't have been any LESS fair.

imagine Mayweather lands a huge shot on Cotto and puts him down in the first, Cotto gets back to his feet, just, at the count of 8 or 9.... then the bell goes 47 seconds early.

Later on in the fight Cotto lands a jackpot punch and KO's floyd...


how many people would be saying that was fair? Somehow i think the fight would be instantly ruled a no contest, followed by some aggressive legal action from mayweather.

great post

Can you imagine what would have happened if the situation had been reversed and it had been Shane who was saved by the bell and then won the decision???. Instant no contest-rematch and the time keeper and ref would never be seen or heard of again!.

[desperados]

The scorecards were fair....That wasn't my point...and if you had read the rest you may have realised that I thought Shane was shafted.

Congratulations on reading the first paragraph and then feeling you know enough about the context of the piece to reply negatively

fair enough mate, i felt you had a point, i was too judgemental too soon, so i had another bash at it, and stopped reading at this point:

We all have disasters at work. I always feel sorry for those pilots on 'Air Crash Investigation' who are usually decent but have a bad day at the office and crash their plane into a mountain killing everybody on board.

i may have been wrong about how i initially interpreted your comment on "the verdict was fair", my intial reaction was of course it wasn't fair, but if you were talking solely on how the fight was scored by the judges, then you're right, it wasn't the cards that were a scandal.

But the above part is down-right distasteful.

how can you compare a Time Keeper ringing a bell early in a boxing bout, to a Pilot killing a airliner full of people?

And if you had continued to read you would have seen that I said it wasn't anywhere near as serious...Actually I won't bother continuing speaking to you.

Had some great debate here with people who genuinly disagree with my point...you are a burke who is stoppng reading at a point where you can use a throwaway line and twist it out of context.

Adios!

i wasn't twisting anything out of context. this country is a wash with farcical journalism. You were making the point you felt that Fallon simply had a bad day of work, we get it, why the need to then compare it to a pilot killing a couple of hundred people? It's the kind of extreme comparitive nonsense you'd hear admist a drunken debate in a pub. Not even the Sun would print that.

[fatcity69]

If you think that giving up the pop for five weeks during a training camp is the cornerstone of a well conditioned athlete then you are beyond help/

Conditioning is a long drawn out process and if you don't love the life then you will not be at 100%. i never said he staggerd to the ring so no contradictions

But if you think that five weeks off the ale is enough to get Shane to he peak of his powers then that is your call!!

You dont know much about boxers if you think most of them dont touch 'pop' at all inbetween fights!!???. Its plain to me that all this talk of Shanes conditioning or lack of it is just a smokescreen for the fact that the lad was diabolically ripped off and the whole situation stunk to high heaven, end of story!. With all due respect, if you are a serious boxing writer you should be concentrating on the fact that a young fighter has been robbed of his title rather than worrying about how the lad lives his life between fights.

Why can't he do both?

Its fair enough to mention Shanes conditioning yes, but the article makes his conditioning a main reason for why he lost and furthermore a reason why he the writer and therefore we the readers should not feel sorry for him for losing the title. In this particular situation this is totally unfair and really raises some questions as to the writers motives for angling his story in this manner. Im sure theres certain people who are overjoyed at the fact that here we are musing the ins and outs of shanes digestive system rather than questioning what actually happend during that fight. How many people have even remarked that the points decision in itself was unjust???... not many.
We could talk all day about fighters conditioning, the majority of fighters drink inbetween fights, in fact many drink and party heavily between fights, this is a fact of life. Indeed many fighters party and drink during training, so really to single shane out as deserving his fate due to his not living his life like a monk even when not in training seems extremely harsh and rather niave to me.

[damianhucker1]

Just seen on twitter that the board have ordered a rematch and the timekeeper has been suspended til jan 2013

[thepocketrocket]

I'm sure a lot of people on here want to say it's corrupt but feel they are being held back!

If Shane had been fitter then he would have won the fight, with or without the problems of Mr Fallon. So his diet was a major contributing factor to his loss. Simples. Some of you are either so upset by this conspiracy or so up Shane's ass that you fail to see this as a point. It's laughable!

The rematch is ordered and the evil Mr Fallon is out of a job till 2013...justice is done

[thepocketrocket]

fair enough mate, i felt you had a point, i was too judgemental too soon, so i had another bash at it, and stopped reading at this point:


i may have been wrong about how i initially interpreted your comment on "the verdict was fair", my intial reaction was of course it wasn't fair, but if you were talking solely on how the fight was scored by the judges, then you're right, it wasn't the cards that were a scandal.

But the above part is down-right distasteful.

how can you compare a Time Keeper ringing a bell early in a boxing bout, to a Pilot killing a airliner full of people?

And if you had continued to read you would have seen that I said it wasn't anywhere near as serious...Actually I won't bother continuing speaking to you.

Had some great debate here with people who genuinly disagree with my point...you are a burke who is stoppng reading at a point where you can use a throwaway line and twist it out of context.

Adios!

i wasn't twisting anything out of context. this country is a wash with farcical journalism. You were making the point you felt that Fallon simply had a bad day of work, we get it, why the need to then compare it to a pilot killing a couple of hundred people? It's the kind of extreme comparitive nonsense you'd hear admist a drunken debate in a pub. Not even the Sun would print that.

I said our conversation had finished...

[damianhucker1]

I'm sure a lot of people on here want to say it's corrupt but feel they are being held back!

If Shane had been fitter then he would have won the fight, with or without the problems of Mr Fallon. So his diet was a major contributing factor to his loss. Simples. Some of you are either so upset by this conspiracy or so up Shane's ass that you fail to see this as a point. It's laughable!

The rematch is ordered and the evil Mr Fallon is out of a job till 2013...justice is done

It does seem too poor to be a mistake , but i do think that it really was just a string of mistakes to be honest (although wasnt what i originally said on here )

BBBoC have acted so let just look to the rematch hopefully taking place .

[thepocketrocket]

I'm sure we will all be on here fight night .

And if McPhilbin hs a better engine than his last two showings I will be delighted, and will accept a few 'Feck Off Dobbing's

I'm big enough for that!!

[desperados]

And if you had continued to read you would have seen that I said it wasn't anywhere near as serious...Actually I won't bother continuing speaking to you.

Had some great debate here with people who genuinly disagree with my point...you are a burke who is stoppng reading at a point where you can use a throwaway line and twist it out of context.

Adios!

i wasn't twisting anything out of context. this country is a wash with farcical journalism. You were making the point you felt that Fallon simply had a bad day of work, we get it, why the need to then compare it to a pilot killing a couple of hundred people? It's the kind of extreme comparitive nonsense you'd hear admist a drunken debate in a pub. Not even the Sun would print that.

I said our conversation had finished...

ok then, i hope you react better to crit next time though, maybe you won't using wildely innappropriate & distasteful comparisons.