I don't think achievement is really going to help in this sort of discussion. I think it's the best measuring stick when ranking fighters BUT a division and era are a bit different.Ambling Alp wrote:It's not just about talent, but who was the better fighters. Achievement tells you who was better.Ezzard wrote:I thought this was about talent not achievement?
All those guys fought in the division in that time span.
One list of fighters is better than the other. Surely that’s the discussion here?
Two fine lists of boxers. You think the heavies are better. Great. Fair argument. But not on a technicality. All those fighters campaigned for a while at 126 and fought for titles.
And I rate Sanchez, Arguello, Nelson, Pedroza, Fenech as better fighters than Foreman.
I feel that you are the one using a technicality. Several of the guys you mentioned were featherweights for brief parts oof their careers. Gomez had 4 fights there and was 2-2. Fenech fought there briefly and beat no one on your list at featherweight. You rate Sanchez ahead of Foreman; I agree. I don't agree with the rest.
You are skwering what really happened if you are going to count people like Olivares and Arguello with people like Sanchez and Pedroza. And Sanchez and Pedroza with Grove.
Perhaps we exhuasted this subject. However, in the future it would be nice for everyone who belittles the heavyweights to take part in discussions regarding fighters from other weight classes besides heavyweight.
You just end up with circular logic.
How do we know this was a good era?
Bescause Foreman was so good.
How do you know Foreman was any good?
Well he beat Frazier.
How do you know Frazier was any good?
Well he beat Ali.
How do you know Ali was any good?
Well he beat Foreman.
So we can conclude this was a great era? Not from this alone.
If Fenech had big money fights lined up at 126 he would have remained there. If Gomez could he would have too. But they were available to foght at the weight.
I'm not sure what is the best division. I came in late. I just offered a take on that featherweight area.
That's all...