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The Great John L wrote:

klompton wrote:In a situation where Foreman is bribing Bob Lee Sr. to get Axel Schulz ranked and the wont give him a rematch when he gets a gift decision (and yes that decision was a robbery, Foreman lost nearly every round), yes, I do side with the sanctioning body. Give me one good reason why Foreman should been allowed to just go on fighting bums just to extend his record and keep the money flowing in. Who is Foreman? Why should he get special privileges? This is a guy who flat out admitted he was ducking Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis on live television and you want to stand behind his flimsy claim in order to legitimize Lewis? O...K.... Like I said, he made a mockery of what it means to be a champ.

George spent the better part of two careers ducking guys. He certainly avoided every contender on his way to "earning" his shot against Holyfield during his second career. I do think he fought a very good fight against Holy, but geez, he had absolutely no one on his resume prior to that, besides a bloated CW who mysteriously quit on his stool and a fringe contender who also decided to bow out early.

His first career was also extremely well managed as his management severely throttled back his competition after he nearly got upset by a past his best LH. Just look at the guys he fought between the 2nd Peralta fight and his blitzing of Frazier. There is a very good reason why he was a pretty big underdog against Frazier despite a 37-0 record. Of course I give him great credit for taking on Lyle in his comeback after getting schooled by Ali, but I think at that point his management realized that he needed some accomplishment after Ali to have any chance at the really big payday again, since there was little public demand for a Foreman-Ali rematch. That, plus Lyle wasn't exactly noted for his defense.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:With respect to Reggie Diggs, who has this thread going in Current Scene.

This shouldnt be a case where you edit a mans record just because you scored a bout which was totally debatable the other way than the judges. It should change for clear, poor calls.

Juan Manuel Marquez...

Is: 54-6-1
Should Be: 56-5-0

He won those fights with John & Pacquiao (2011), and lost the first Pacquiao fight.

Muhammad Ali...

Is: 56-5-0
Should Be: 54-7-0Plain losses to Young & Norton (1976).

Oscar De La Hoya...

Is: 39-6-0
Should Be: 40-5-0

Clearly deserved the nod against Trinidad & Mosley (2003), but lost to Sturm. Very close calls against Whitaker & Quartey which were not robberies.

Evander Holyfield...

Is: 42-10-2
Should Be: 42-12-0

Lost his draws with Lewis & Ruiz.

Pernell Whitaker...

Is: 40-4-1
Should Be: 42-3-0

Plainly beat Ramirez (I) & Chavez. Did not clearly lose a match until Trinidad, in his penultimate career fight (though I did have him marginally edged out against De La Hoya).

Reggie Johnson's record certainly deserves some reconsideration imo, he clearly beat James Toney and many of his other losses were debatable to say the least.

elmersalsa wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:With respect to Reggie Diggs, who has this thread going in Current Scene.

This shouldnt be a case where you edit a mans record just because you scored a bout which was totally debatable the other way than the judges. It should change for clear, poor calls.

Juan Manuel Marquez...

Is: 54-6-1
Should Be: 56-5-0

He won those fights with John & Pacquiao (2011), and lost the first Pacquiao fight.

Muhammad Ali...

Is: 56-5-0
Should Be: 54-7-0Plain losses to Young & Norton (1976).

Oscar De La Hoya...

Is: 39-6-0
Should Be: 40-5-0

Clearly deserved the nod against Trinidad & Mosley (2003), but lost to Sturm. Very close calls against Whitaker & Quartey which were not robberies.

Evander Holyfield...

Is: 42-10-2
Should Be: 42-12-0

Lost his draws with Lewis & Ruiz.

Pernell Whitaker...

Is: 40-4-1
Should Be: 42-3-0

Plainly beat Ramirez (I) & Chavez. Did not clearly lose a match until Trinidad, in his penultimate career fight (though I did have him marginally edged out against De La Hoya).

For Ali, it should be really read: 53-8....He lost to Frazier, Norton 3 times, Young, Spinks, Holmes and Berbick

theone wrote:

Reggie Johnson's record certainly deserves some reconsideration imo, he clearly beat James Toney and many of his other losses were debatable to say the least.

Did you actually see this fight? I have a hard time believing anyone who saw the fight believes Johnson won it CLEARLY. I had Toney by two points, a draw i would have probably thought a bad decision but far from a robbery. Clear Johnson win? Bullshit.

Now Dave Tiberia is a different story. He CLEARLY should have been awarded his match with Toney.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He actually should have lost his win against Ruiz and he knocked Ruiz out in his loss. I thought Holyfield won the draw, but it was close enough to call even. Mosley/Dlh 2 was much closer than Whitaker/Dlh, though I agree Oscar won.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He actually should have lost his win against Ruiz and he knocked Ruiz out in his loss. I thought Holyfield won the draw, but it was close enough to call even. Mosley/Dlh 2 was much closer than Whitaker/Dlh, though I agree Oscar won.

Its possible I am mistaking the Holyfield-Ruiz draw for the bout you mentioned. Its been some time, and each contest was as boring as the others (Ruiz the pest).

Sportofkings wrote:Ike Quartey

Record-37-4-1.

Should be 39-2-1. He beat De La Hoya and was robbed of a victory against Forrest. Its been years since I saw the Lopez fight but I think I gave him a razor close win there to. But I wouldnt complain about that fight going to either man.

Julio Cesar Chavez...

Is: 107-6-2
Should Be: 107-8-0

Lost his draws with Whitaker and Randall (along with his dignity).

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Joe Frazier...
Joe Walcott...

Is: 51-18-2
Should Be: 52-17-2

Beat Louis in 1947.