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King Geedorah wrote:I'm having a weekend in York instead. The place, not the Duke.

I will point you in the direction of somewhere showing it if you want.

leforge wrote:

jBacca wrote:Gonna' stream this. Not giving my money over to a pair of helmets. Not necessarily because of the shite they pulled in Germany, but because I swore Haye would never receive my support again after the bullshit he pulled in the ring against Wlad.

I think many casual fans wont pay for Haye again. The only way they pay is if it kicks off at press conference on weigh inn.

Yeah, I agree. The Wlad fight was embarrassing to us proper fans. Trying to justify that fight to all me mates was a nightmare - switched them right off the sport.

jBacca wrote:

leforge wrote:

jBacca wrote:Gonna' stream this. Not giving my money over to a pair of helmets. Not necessarily because of the shite they pulled in Germany, but because I swore Haye would never receive my support again after the bullshit he pulled in the ring against Wlad.

I think many casual fans wont pay for Haye again. The only way they pay is if it kicks off at press conference on weigh inn.

Yeah, I agree. The Wlad fight was embarrassing to us proper fans. Trying to justify that fight to all me mates was a nightmare - switched them right off the sport.

Without sky constant plugging allegedly are going to need to spend to get the subcribers unless there is punch up at final press or weigh inn which gets free publicity.

Before the Audley and Wlad debcale I reckon more mates would have gone to this fight.

kingfinn wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

kingfinn wrote: you still have to buy the booze that way.

i'd have to do that at home

yeah but it only cost £1.89 for a 2 litre bottle of White Star Cider.

spoken like a true coventrian

jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way I pay for this, will probably be another snorefest. Haye will probably fight tentatively boxing at range, whilst Del plods forward telegraphing his big overhand shots which sail through thin air.

No interest in paying my hard earned to see this.

Think you're making a mistake Haye v Ruiz was one of the best fights i've been to.

Haye v Barrett was quite exciting too. Bonin got himself starched early as well, and big, early KO's are always pretty exciting.

leforge wrote:

jBacca wrote:

leforge wrote: I think many casual fans wont pay for Haye again. The only way they pay is if it kicks off at press conference on weigh inn.

Yeah, I agree. The Wlad fight was embarrassing to us proper fans. Trying to justify that fight to all me mates was a nightmare - switched them right off the sport.

Without sky constant plugging Allegedly channel are going to need to spend to get the subcribers unless there is punch up at final press or weigh inn which gets free publicity.

Before the Audley and Wlad debcale I reckon more mates would have gone to this fight.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression sky were sponsors, either way the sun is a good way to reach the masses.

leforge wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:Being subjected to an evening with a coked-up, Cockney cast of thousands is about as bad as it gets, so I'm not going.

Haye is Millwall too, worth remembering. Bit of luck the pikey palace gets torched once all the pwopa nawty stuff is finished.

I can see it going off big time.

I can imagine it will too. Every boxing match I have been to, there has been multiple fights in the crowd. I have never been involved in one (and some idiot tried to get me and my friends to be involved in some pathetic brawl he was trying to start with the security at Groves-Degale: I wasn't having any of it) and, I imagine, I never will be. It doesn't stop me going to boxing matches and I'm amazed that people seem to see it as some sort of 'decline of boxing' phenomena. Hasn't it ALWAYS 'gone off' at boxing matches? Where there are hundreds or thousands of (predominantly working class) men drinking and watching other men fight, there will be fights. I refuse to believe there was ever an era when people stood around watching boxing matches gently clapping and waving rattles.

For the record OF COURSE I am going to this. Bought 4 tickets (cheap seats) and apparently a few other mates have bought tickets as well. I love boxing, and being there beats watching some crappy stream hands down. The atmosphere will be incredible.

DavidPayne wrote:Now there are those who would suggest I've climbed up my own arse before over certain morale dilemmas.

However, if I read one more numpty, who purports to be a boxing fan, suggest they wont be watching Haye v Chisora on a point of principle or because they feel it will be a boring event I think I may vomit.

What absolute fkking nonsense and what a fkking pointless puritanical stance to take.

You get one life. You became a boxing fan.

Two heavyweights of equal weight and age who hate each other and have a reputation for the unexpected are going to fight in the UK, on telly at a normal hour on a Saturday night.

Get a fkking grip of yourself, you'll be watching.

Rather condescending of you Dave to dictate what I should or shouldn't want to watch. Here's a suggestion, you choose what you want to watch, and I'll do the same.

Chisora is a slow predictable lump, and Haye hasn't had one compelling fight at heavyweight.

I'd be extremely excited were there two elite heavyweights out there for me to watch, like I was when Lewis and Vitali fought, I was jumping out of my chair spilling my beer everywhere. However, this fight doesn't excite me, I'm sorry Dave if that upsets your own personal view of what a boxing fan should be getting excited about, but frankly tough shite.

I have no wish to put any more hard earned into Haye's pockets, I've personally paid for tickets to four of his fights, and wasted money on two crap PPV's. Chisora I just find quite boring, and personally I'm not really that interested in his antics one way or another.

DavidPayne wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:...if I read one more numpty, who purports to be a boxing fan, suggest they wont be watching Haye v Chisora on a point of principle...

Get a fkking grip of yourself, you'll be watching.

Unless I've missed it, nobody on this entire topic has stated that they aren't going to watch the fight?

To a certain extent then, why all the hysteria?

I don't like the gruesome use of violence in films, it harms the young, so I'm not going to pay for Expendables II, I'll watch it on a illegal download or borrow the DVD off a mate.

Indeed, why all the hysteria?

I honestly couldn't give a toss who wins, and I think it'll be a shit fight, like most of Haye's recent outings. Give me Mitchell Burns any day of the week over this.

The majority of people at the Boleyn will not be boxing fans. They will be, as someone so eloquently pointed out earlier, coked up chavs and football twats with a thirst for extra curricular violence. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, let alone inside.

I don't agree with it. It's dirty, and I hope it doesn't happen. I'm fond of British boxing, and its potentially very bad for British boxing. You don't have to be Copernicus to suss that out.

Reading a couple of your posts, you appear to be having an argument with yourself, but if a boxing fan told me that they would not be watching on principle, I'd respect their decision. I certainly wouldn't refer to them as a numpty. You sound like Bunce. Get a grip.

I only live 5 mins from the Boleyn and there isn't a hope in hell I'd go to this, I see all too often what some of the local 'fans' are like for match day and it's not pretty, fair enough it's the minority, but a minority figure of 30,000+ blokes is still a big number, so no doubt on a sunny Saturday night it'll be even less pretty.

But I will watch it on the Nation of Box alright. I have 5 or so of the boys coming around in the afternoon for a few hours of Fight Night Champion, beers, BBQ, then the fighting.

I only live near Romford, and there's no way I'm going to this.

Chisora avec entourage/mates/supporters (North London) meets Haye, avec entourage/mates/supporters (South London) in East London, featuring a supporting cast of wannabee hoolies, idiots, and wrong 'uns who think this will be a good chance for some al fresco violence. TV for me.

My sister is going as a special constable, though, so she alas cannot fulfil the stereotype of the only difference between the coppers and the hooligans is the coppers are getting paid for it.

@matt___s wrote: My sister is going as a special constable, though, so she alas cannot fulfil the stereotype of the only difference between the coppers and the hooligans is the coppers are getting paid for it.

Any idea who is footing the security bill for this? Just wondering as with football the club has to pay for the number of coppers in the ground as a rule, will this be a case of the promoter paying for the amount of coppers the met deems appropriate in the stadium?

Wow, the people who think this'll be a shit fight clearly don't understand the dynamics of the styles at play here.

Dan Dares wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: Unless I've missed it, nobody on this entire topic has stated that they aren't going to watch the fight?

To a certain extent then, why all the hysteria?

I don't like the gruesome use of violence in films, it harms the young, so I'm not going to pay for Expendables II, I'll watch it on a illegal download or borrow the DVD off a mate.

Indeed, why all the hysteria?

I honestly couldn't give a toss who wins, and I think it'll be a shit fight, like most of Haye's recent outings. Give me Mitchell Burns any day of the week over this.

The majority of people at the Boleyn will not be boxing fans. They will be, as someone so eloquently pointed out earlier, coked up chavs and football twats with a thirst for extra curricular violence. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, let alone inside.

I don't agree with it. It's dirty, and I hope it doesn't happen. I'm fond of British boxing, and its potentially very bad for British boxing. You don't have to be Copernicus to suss that out.

Reading a couple of your posts, you appear to be having an argument with yourself, but if a boxing fan told me that they would not be watching on principle, I'd respect their decision. I certainly wouldn't refer to them as a numpty. You sound like Bunce. Get a grip.

You've gone to far there. Sound like Buncey! Hell's teeth if my grandad was alive today that would have killed him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:Now there are those who would suggest I've climbed up my own arse before over certain morale dilemmas.

However, if I read one more numpty, who purports to be a boxing fan, suggest they wont be watching Haye v Chisora on a point of principle or because they feel it will be a boring event I think I may vomit.

What absolute fkking nonsense and what a fkking pointless puritanical stance to take.

You get one life. You became a boxing fan.

Two heavyweights of equal weight and age who hate each other and have a reputation for the unexpected are going to fight in the UK, on telly at a normal hour on a Saturday night.

Get a fkking grip of yourself, you'll be watching.

Rather condescending of you Dave to dictate what I should or shouldn't want to watch. Here's a suggestion, you choose what you want to watch, and I'll do the same.

Chisora is a slow predictable lump, and Haye hasn't had one compelling fight at heavyweight.

I'd be extremely excited were there two elite heavyweights out there for me to watch, like I was when Lewis and Vitali fought, I was jumping out of my chair spilling my beer everywhere. However, this fight doesn't excite me, I'm sorry Dave if that upsets your own personal view of what a boxing fan should be getting excited about, but frankly tough shite.

I have no wish to put any more hard earned into Haye's pockets, I've personally paid for tickets to four of his fights, and wasted money on two crap PPV's. Chisora I just find quite boring, and personally I'm not really that interested in his antics one way or another.

It was a bit tongue in cheek Jamesy and a bit exasperated. I'll debate too and fro the ethics of how we arrived at this fight and the manner it is being sold all day, well I wont because its pointless but thats all been don. But, I just do not buy in it to the notion that boxing fans - not just the great chavvy, unwashed masses everyone wants to refer to anyone who has a desire to go this fight as, now that IS condescending - will in some shape or form WATCH the fight.

Christ on a bike we've sat through hours of IBU shit from 1995-2008 but we'll turn away when two British heavyweights with big profiles, who dislike each other and can fight a bit clash on a Saturday night, at primetime in front of 40,000 people? Really, sounds like bollacks to me however well rationalised the principles in play are.

I was an arse in my comments on the surface, but I know people have read my comments long enough to know, though an arse, I'm not usually this type of arse.

But of all the whimpering before my comment, I think 4 of the 6 who were condemning the fight have revealed some plan to see the FIGHT.

We used to get in a dizzy WITH EXCITEMENT if they were going to show 36 year old Herbie Hide v Julius Frking Francis on ITV 4 at one time.

We pick and choose our sentiments and lines in the sand some times.

Ill watch it for free, if I can find a mate who wants to pay for it - that much is true.

Dan Dares wrote:

DavidPayne wrote:

MachoMan09 wrote: Unless I've missed it, nobody on this entire topic has stated that they aren't going to watch the fight?

To a certain extent then, why all the hysteria?

I don't like the gruesome use of violence in films, it harms the young, so I'm not going to pay for Expendables II, I'll watch it on a illegal download or borrow the DVD off a mate.

Indeed, why all the hysteria?

I honestly couldn't give a toss who wins, and I think it'll be a shit fight, like most of Haye's recent outings. Give me Mitchell Burns any day of the week over this.

The majority of people at the Boleyn will not be boxing fans. They will be, as someone so eloquently pointed out earlier, coked up chavs and football twats with a thirst for extra curricular violence. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it, let alone inside.

I don't agree with it. It's dirty, and I hope it doesn't happen. I'm fond of British boxing, and its potentially very bad for British boxing. You don't have to be Copernicus to suss that out.

Reading a couple of your posts, you appear to be having an argument with yourself, but if a boxing fan told me that they would not be watching on principle, I'd respect their decision. I certainly wouldn't refer to them as a numpty. You sound like Bunce. Get a grip.

Wind your neck in, i cant stand people coming on here and branding everyone who wants to watch the fight either "not a true fan" or "a coked up chav". Shall we all start posting our CV's and photos of our boxing memorabilia to show were true boxing fans with good jobs and educations. Its the people that dont actually go to the fights live and stream all the others that are not true boxing fans and they are bad for british boxing. The biggest all british fights this side of the millenium will create interest and bring in new fans who will most likely then take a shot at going to a small hall show and give a big boost to grass roots boxing.

kingfinn wrote: The biggest all british fights this side of the millenium will create interest and bring in new fans who will most likely then take a shot at going to a small hall show and give a big boost to grass roots boxing.

I don't think it will. This whole event is so far removed from small hall boxing it's untrue - even some kind of trickle-down factor which simply won't happen.

It will 'bring in new fans' who buy into the hype caused by a couple of daft c*nts showing themselves up. They are being attracted by a mirage of utter shitness. These 'new fans' aren't going because of boxing - they're going because of the needle. If they went to a small hall show, they would be sadly disappointed because it's so far removed from this. It's much better value though.

Are we still moanong about this shit?

rapid2 wrote:Are we still moanong about this shit?

I dunno...tell me what the f*ck moanong is and I'll let you know

kingfinn wrote:Wind your neck in

No.

kingfinn wrote: I cant stand people coming on here and branding everyone who wants to watch the fight either "not a true fan" or "a coked up chav".

I didn't say that.

kingfinn wrote:Shall we all start posting our CV's and photos of our boxing memorabilia to show were true boxing fans with good jobs and educations.

What the f**k are you going on about?

kingfinn wrote:Its the people that dont actually go to the fights live and stream all the others that are not true boxing fans and they are bad for british boxing.

Who are you to say who a 'true boxing fan' is?

kingfinn wrote:The biggest all british fights this side of the millenium

This fight will do fornicate all for grass roots boxing, apart from potential damage.

dondada wrote:

kingfinn wrote: The biggest all british fights this side of the millenium will create interest and bring in new fans who will most likely then take a shot at going to a small hall show and give a big boost to grass roots boxing.

I don't think it will. This whole event is so far removed from small hall boxing it's untrue - even some kind of trickle-down factor which simply won't happen.

It will 'bring in new fans' who buy into the hype caused by a couple of daft c*nts showing themselves up. They are being attracted by a mirage of utter shitness. These 'new fans' aren't going because of boxing - they're going because of the needle. If they went to a small hall show, they would be sadly disappointed because it's so far removed from this. It's much better value though.

I guess the difference being in what you like in boxing. I have always thought that there are two sides to boxing there is the anticipation and the fight. There are those who enjoy the nuances of two men colliding in battle putting their bodies on the line in fistic exchange. There are those who like the anticipation of a fight the "Who's the biggest in the playground" type of atmosphere.

I think both play their respective parts. Nobody can deny that they didnt enjoy and as many where swept up by the Hatton Mayweather press tour and the anticipation of the fight, of the event. That said I will happily sit and watch small hall undercard fights all night long. To attract big attention and big crowds and that means headlines and everything that goes with it needs there needs to be interest in the fight outside of what happens in the ring. That doesnt necassarily mean trash talk or fights etc etc but events for events sake.

wrimc wrote:

dondada wrote:

kingfinn wrote: The biggest all british fights this side of the millenium will create interest and bring in new fans who will most likely then take a shot at going to a small hall show and give a big boost to grass roots boxing.

I don't think it will. This whole event is so far removed from small hall boxing it's untrue - even some kind of trickle-down factor which simply won't happen.

It will 'bring in new fans' who buy into the hype caused by a couple of daft c*nts showing themselves up. They are being attracted by a mirage of utter shitness. These 'new fans' aren't going because of boxing - they're going because of the needle. If they went to a small hall show, they would be sadly disappointed because it's so far removed from this. It's much better value though.

I guess the difference being in what you like in boxing. I have always thought that there are two sides to boxing there is the anticipation and the fight. There are those who enjoy the nuances of two men colliding in battle putting their bodies on the line in fistic exchange. There are those who like the anticipation of a fight the "Who's the biggest in the playground" type of atmosphere.

I think both play their respective parts. Nobody can deny that they didnt enjoy and as many where swept up by the Hatton Mayweather press tour and the anticipation of the fight, of the event. That said I will happily sit and watch small hall undercard fights all night long. To attract big attention and big crowds and that means headlines and everything that goes with it needs there needs to be interest in the fight outside of what happens in the ring. That doesnt necassarily mean trash talk or fights etc etc but events for events sake.

Agreed. But given your logic (which I agree with) those 'new fans' who are attracted to the event aspect won't give a monkey's about seeing six-twos featuring novices in a half-empty sports hall, i.e. grass roots professional boxing.

dondada wrote:

wrimc wrote:

dondada wrote: I don't think it will. This whole event is so far removed from small hall boxing it's untrue - even some kind of trickle-down factor which simply won't happen.

It will 'bring in new fans' who buy into the hype caused by a couple of daft c*nts showing themselves up. They are being attracted by a mirage of utter shitness. These 'new fans' aren't going because of boxing - they're going because of the needle. If they went to a small hall show, they would be sadly disappointed because it's so far removed from this. It's much better value though.

I guess the difference being in what you like in boxing. I have always thought that there are two sides to boxing there is the anticipation and the fight. There are those who enjoy the nuances of two men colliding in battle putting their bodies on the line in fistic exchange. There are those who like the anticipation of a fight the "Who's the biggest in the playground" type of atmosphere.

I think both play their respective parts. Nobody can deny that they didnt enjoy and as many where swept up by the Hatton Mayweather press tour and the anticipation of the fight, of the event. That said I will happily sit and watch small hall undercard fights all night long. To attract big attention and big crowds and that means headlines and everything that goes with it needs there needs to be interest in the fight outside of what happens in the ring. That doesnt necassarily mean trash talk or fights etc etc but events for events sake.

Agreed. But given your logic (which I agree with) those 'new fans' who are attracted to the event aspect won't give a monkey's about seeing six-twos featuring novices in a half-empty sports hall, i.e. grass roots professional boxing.

Well with all due respect to that particular fan do we want them to be dripping down to the grass roots? Probably not, that particular type of fan will be interested when they have developed and are the finished article and are stepping into big fights. If we want to get people into the small hall environment there needs to be a fundamental shift in how that is promoted, the money in the sport, altering the business model. Is there a time in the history of the sport when large crowds or a significantly amount of people have gone to sports halls to watch six-twos or four-three's?