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Horse wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Who? Who on Carl's resume would Joe lose to?

He would have whipped them all except Ward, who he was capable of beating. Close fight though.

Froch has been matched against much better opposition than Calzaghe. It is unfair to criticise Froch for losing when he has fought the better fighters.

Jon Saxon wrote:

Horse wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:Who? Who on Carl's resume would Joe lose to?

He would have whipped them all except Ward, who he was capable of beating. Close fight though.

Froch has been matched against much better opposition than Calzaghe. It is unfair to criticise Froch for losing when he has fought the better fighters.

"better"? Eh?? lol so what if he's been matched tough? he LOST when it mattered.

"better fighters"? Calzaghe's win over Hopkins is better than anything Froch will ever do.
In light of what Nard did after Calzaghe fight only proves this point.
Hopkins would have won the supr six (ward included) with ease.
Calzaghe beat a fresh Kessler Froch lost to an old Kessler.

I love Froch but Calzaghe is worlds away from him.

Jon Saxon wrote:"better"? Eh?? lol so what if he's been matched tough? he LOST when it mattered.

Jon Saxon wrote:"better fighters"? Calzaghe's win over Hopkins is better than anything Froch will ever do.
In light of what Nard did after Calzaghe fight only proves this point.
Hopkins would have won the supr six (ward included) with ease.
Calzaghe beat a fresh Kessler Froch lost to an old Kessler.

I love Froch but Calzaghe is worlds away from him.

MachoMan09 wrote:Froch was magnificent last night but, as is so often the case on here, a lot of people need to calm the eff down and learn to be a bit more circumspect in their assessments. Bute is a big, strong, capable supermiddleweight but the way people were ranting on beforehand you'd have though Froch was going in there with a terminator rather than a guy unproven at the top level. The polar opposite will likely now occur and many will again start saying Froch could beat Ward etc. Chill out.

I said shortly after the Ward fight that Froch should fight Bute, then Kessler, then Hopkins (pension) and then walk away. The only thing I've revised in the interim is the Hopkins pension fight - I'm now not sure about that.

As to the debates about Froch's all time domestic standing: It's between Calzaghe and Froch for the top spot. As much as Eubank and Benn are legends of the game, neither fought the best guys in the division. Saying that Ward would give Calzaghe real problems or that Froch lost to Kessler and Joe didn't is far too simplistic. The truth is, it's a very close run thing.

big lennox wrote:A very good win for Froch last night. I thought he looked really organised and very switched on.I felt quite sorry for Bute though. His corner should have pulled him out at the end of the 4th at the latest. He didn't know where he was and I don't understand how you can send someone out in that position.I hate it when you have corners braver than the fighters.

I was also quite alarmed about how fragile Bute looked.He seemed to fold his tent very early on in proceedings.Fair play to Froch though, he went into unknown territory, with the odds stacked against him (literally) and was superb. I hope Bute contemplates retirement rather than a rematch as I'd worry about his well being if he continues to box at top level. I could see Kessler or Abraham even, banging him out.

TheCobra wrote:

big lennox wrote:A very good win for Froch last night. I thought he looked really organised and very switched on.I felt quite sorry for Bute though. His corner should have pulled him out at the end of the 4th at the latest. He didn't know where he was and I don't understand how you can send someone out in that position.I hate it when you have corners braver than the fighters.

I was also quite alarmed about how fragile Bute looked.He seemed to fold his tent very early on in proceedings.Fair play to Froch though, he went into unknown territory, with the odds stacked against him (literally) and was superb. I hope Bute contemplates retirement rather than a rematch as I'd worry about his well being if he continues to box at top level. I could see Kessler or Abraham even, banging him out.

I certainly don't think it's a retirement job for Bute, he just found his level, best thing for him would be to try and work himself back into a position where he can secure a belt against a lesser champion and then just milk it in Canada, make some money and get out, but stay clear of the top level guys.

Tanzio wrote:On the off chance The Cobra himself might visit this thread I want to say well done Mr. Froch. I hope you finally get the recognition at home that you deserve. You are the epitome of why I put up with all the garbage in boxing. You are not the most highly skilled or naturally gifted boxer but your heart, toughness and sheer will are A++. You always have sought out the toughest challenges without regard for preserving a perfect record.

This old, shopworn American salutes and thanks you for your

big lennox wrote:

TheCobra wrote:

big lennox wrote:A very good win for Froch last night. I thought he looked really organised and very switched on.I felt quite sorry for Bute though. His corner should have pulled him out at the end of the 4th at the latest. He didn't know where he was and I don't understand how you can send someone out in that position.I hate it when you have corners braver than the fighters.

I was also quite alarmed about how fragile Bute looked.He seemed to fold his tent very early on in proceedings.Fair play to Froch though, he went into unknown territory, with the odds stacked against him (literally) and was superb. I hope Bute contemplates retirement rather than a rematch as I'd worry about his well being if he continues to box at top level. I could see Kessler or Abraham even, banging him out.

I certainly don't think it's a retirement job for Bute, he just found his level, best thing for him would be to try and work himself back into a position where he can secure a belt against a lesser champion and then just milk it in Canada, make some money and get out, but stay clear of the top level guys.

You could be right, a couple of wins could mean he finishes his career on a strong note, but I don't want to see him in with any of the top guys. He took a shellacking last night. Do you think Froch would be interested in facing Ward again or does he seem to accept that he might not be able to beat Ward? A rematch with Kessler would be a good one. I could see him reversing that decision

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Tanzio wrote:On the off chance The Cobra himself might visit this thread I want to say well done Mr. Froch. I hope you finally get the recognition at home that you deserve. You are the epitome of why I put up with all the garbage in boxing. You are not the most highly skilled or naturally gifted boxer but your heart, toughness and sheer will are A++. You always have sought out the toughest challenges without regard for preserving a perfect record.

This old, shopworn American salutes and thanks you for your

Great post. 8)

I'm sure Carl would appreciate this.

I hope he finally get the recognition he deserves in the UK; it's long overdue.

kingfinn wrote:

big lennox wrote:

TheCobra wrote: I certainly don't think it's a retirement job for Bute, he just found his level, best thing for him would be to try and work himself back into a position where he can secure a belt against a lesser champion and then just milk it in Canada, make some money and get out, but stay clear of the top level guys.

You could be right, a couple of wins could mean he finishes his career on a strong note, but I don't want to see him in with any of the top guys. He took a shellacking last night. Do you think Froch would be interested in facing Ward again or does he seem to accept that he might not be able to beat Ward? A rematch with Kessler would be a good one. I could see him reversing that decision

I think the problem with ward is that froch likes stand up fighters, ward spends most of the fight at waist level and then pops up head first lands a quick combo then he's gone. Its negative fighting but its effective.

I noticed froch used alot of the calzaghe style volume slapping mixed with hard punches last night which really overwhelms opponents, if he gets his tactics right i wouldnt rule out that froch could beat ward. Froch would have to get low and use that same volume punching to stop ward countering.

wesley05 wrote:Don't no Carl personally but he seems such a top top kid he really deserves this respect a true professional and a credit to the sport !!! Mr Bute pls stay away from the rematch it will all end in tears

cakes wrote:Just watched the fight again was it just Carl was too good or was Bute that poor ????

cakes wrote:Just watched the fight again was it just Carl was too good or was Bute that poor ????

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kingfinn wrote:

big lennox wrote: You could be right, a couple of wins could mean he finishes his career on a strong note, but I don't want to see him in with any of the top guys. He took a shellacking last night. Do you think Froch would be interested in facing Ward again or does he seem to accept that he might not be able to beat Ward? A rematch with Kessler would be a good one. I could see him reversing that decision

I think the problem with ward is that froch likes stand up fighters, ward spends most of the fight at waist level and then pops up head first lands a quick combo then he's gone. Its negative fighting but its effective.

I noticed froch used alot of the calzaghe style volume slapping mixed with hard punches last night which really overwhelms opponents, if he gets his tactics right i wouldnt rule out that froch could beat ward. Froch would have to get low and use that same volume punching to stop ward countering.

It's true what you say about Ward's style versus Froch's style, but what amazed me the most about their December bout was that Ward bossed Froch up close, an area where I thought Froch would have an advantage with his strength.

Ward completely outclassed Froch in all departments, hence why I don't think a rematch would be an attractive proposition.

I'd definitely like to see him rematch Kessler; that would be a great fight.

Carbo wrote:Froch deserves all kind of credit. His fight selection is unimpeachable. It's the boldest in the world, without a doubt. Simply, he fights the best he possibly can almost every fight. He's now fought every single super-middleweight of note of his era. Not only that, but, uniquely, he's not afraid to go into his rivals' back yards and do it.

With balls like that, who cares about defeats? He's won far more than he's lost in the most exalted he could have possibly selected.

And it's the way he fights. How often has he been involved in a fight that wasn't entertaining? Dirrell is the only one I can think of, and that was just a bad clash of styles. But the rest have all been superb value for money.

Carl Froch is a model pro, has massive balls, an indomitable heart, a steel chin, an even harder mind, and proves that they do indeed -- sometimes -- make 'em like that, these days.

He deserves nothing but respect.