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Seamus wrote:Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Ezzard wrote:Pat is local to where I grew up. He was a very good defensive boxer. And I do agree that by refusing to go to the great counter-puncher…he caused him big problems. I believe getting dropped in the last round lost him the fight…or lost him the chance of a draw.

Aggression doesn’t count for as much in the UK when it comes to scoring. At least not traditionally. We’re all globalised now.

Would be good to try and unearth a decent copy of that fight.

Seamus wrote:Ezz

You're pretty knowledgeable on UK fighters. Was Dave Needham the fellow who fought Cowdell 3 times, related to Dave Needham the footballer ? Ironic how the boxer was from Nottingham and the footballer was at Forest around the same time he was fighting.

Seamus wrote:He was an England B team player and there was some talk of a full cap, but it never happened.

Seamus wrote:I was tempted to take a pt from the Truth for looking like a beginner when he missed a punch and then turned in a complete circle. Or did I imagine that.

Seamus wrote:Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Seamus wrote: SS fought at a far more aggressive pace then he did against Nelson, Ford, or Cowdell in this bout, and I seriously doubt this three would have lasted till the final round if they had faced the same Sanchez.

klompton wrote:I had Pac winning all three fights with, oddly enough, the first fight being the closest. I think Pac, like a lot of fighters, tends to get dinged by the fans when someone is able to blunt his aggression regardless of how well he is doing. I dont have a problem with anyone saying that any of those fights could have gone either way but to sit here and say any of them was one sided is absurd.

Seamus wrote:Eusebio Pedroza vs Bernard Taylor

R1 10-9 BT
R2 10-9 BT
R3 10-9 BT
R4 10-9 EP
R5 10-9 BT
R6 10-10 Even
R7 10-9 BT
R8 10-9 BT
R9 10-9 BT
R10 10-9 BT
R11 10-9 BT
R12 10-9 EP
R13 10-9 EP
R 14 10-9 EP
R15 10-10 Even

146-141 for Bernard Taylor

This was probably a fight that the average boxing fan would have scored for Pedroza on the basis that they believe you can't win rounds backing away. A more accurate adage however is that, you can't win rounds when you don't land punches.

For the first 11 rounds Taylor just keeps moving and refuses to mix it up with Pedroza. He's not landing many punches, but he's stealing round after round by just landing a little more. Pedroza comes on in the last 4 and narrows the score a bit with sheer wild agression, but in the end, Taylor, frustrating tactics in all appears to have been robbed.

Seamus wrote:Next up, 3 Rocky Lockridge fights, which illustrate, I think, that if not for some horrendous fight scoring, he may well have ended up in the IBHOF.

Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-10 Even
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-9 RL
R5 10-10 Even
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 WG
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 RL
R10 10-9 RL
R11 10-9 WG
R12 10-9 WG
R13 10-9 WG
R14 10-10 Even
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-142

Wilfredo Gomez was practically out on his feet after the 10th and was well behind on my scorecard, but then amazingly got up on his toes and outboxed Lockridge for 3 rounds, but Rocky finished strongly over the final 2 rounds. A very bad hometown decision for Wilfredo Gomez.

Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge I

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-9 RL
R3 10-9 RL
R4 10-10 Even
R5 10-9 RL
R6 10-9 RL
R7 10-9 RL
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 EP
R10 10-9 EP
R11 10-9 EP
R12 10-10 Even
R13 10-9 RL
R14 10-9 EP
R15 10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 146-141

An even worse decision than the Gomez fight. Lockridge builds a big lead, Pedroza doesn't rally till the 9th, but once again Lockridge gives a good account of himself over the final 3 rounds. Incidentally, I've never been a fan of Eusebio Pedroza. His boxing skills, durability, and stamina cannot be denied, but I think he's been one of the dirtiest champions of my lifetime, with low blows and frequent holding his specialties.

Julio Cesar Chavez vs Rocky Lockridge

R1 10-9 RL
R2 10-9 JCC
R3 10-10 Even
R4 10-9 RL
R5 10-9 RL
R6 10-9 JCC
R7 10-10 Even
R8 10-9 RL
R9 10-9 JCC
R10 10-9 JCC
R11 10-9 JCC
R12 10-9 RL

115-115 Draw

This was a difficult fight to score. When I first watched it live, I had it 116-114 for Lockridge. Chavez did land the better punches in this bout, but Lockridge was far busier, and frequently drove Julio back. For some reason, Chavez never displayed his usual aggression, which leads me to suspect, that contrary to what the fight commentators were saying, Rocky's punches to Julio's arms and body were slowing him down a bit. I can understand someone scoring this fight for Chavez by a pt, but I think the one judge who had it a draw was the most accurate.

So there you have it, Rocky Lockridge going 0-3 against 3 Hall of Famers, in fights he easily should have been 2-0-1 or even 3-0 in. In my opinion, Rocky is today very underrated.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Seamus wrote:Ezz

I was going to score Sanchez v Cowdell, but the quality of the tape online isn't the best. I seem to remember that being a fight where Cowdell gave Sanchez problems, by cautiously jabbing alot. One judge actually went for Cowdell. Gotta see it again though.

Cowdell did give Sanchez some problems, more with his herky-jerky movement on defence than anything else IMO. he also refused to come at Sanchez and made him chase and lead off, though I'm not sure i'd have given him more than 6 rounds (european judge who scored it to Cowdell, was it?)

Ambling Alp wrote:The first Tony Lopez fight could have gone his way as well. I scored it for Lopez by point, but it could have gone the other way.

Ezzard wrote:Pat is local to where I grew up. He was a very good defensive boxer. And I do agree that by refusing to go to the great counter-puncher…he caused him big problems. I believe getting dropped in the last round lost him the fight…or lost him the chance of a draw.

Aggression doesn’t count for as much in the UK when it comes to scoring. At least not traditionally. We’re all globalised now.

Would be good to try and unearth a decent copy of that fight.