R.I.P. roy shaw

[Wales]

Fireman, nurses etc are the real heroes. eff these guys.

I'd be worried if anyone called Roy Shaw or Lenny mclean their "hero" in life. I would equally argue that firemen and nurses enter their proffessions with their eyes open and are paid to do a job that is outlined prior to them siging up. I once applied to the fire service but it took 2 years for them to get back to me. when they did come back to me it was to invite me to undertake a physical. By this time my life had moved on and I earnt as much as i would starting in the fire service. So, shufflwe papers in an office 9-5 mon - fri or run into a burning building and work shifts .... now, wheres my letter opener and date stamp.

[Eddy]

Some of coldest, meanest spirited people I know are nurses. Stern c*unts. No lie, proper Grot Bag jobs! I worked in a hospital for over 7 years (A&E), and they wouldn't even look at visitors in the eye when being asked how long they've got to wait. They'll act like they're invisible. All this "nurses are the true heroes" is absolute shite. It's a cliche expression to sound good. There're very good ones of course, but I'm afraid I think 60% have no empathy at all. Could the reason be they're overworked and under-cut ...I don't know. They might have started out with the right intention (to help people), but have been worn down 'N' hardened because of the work-load ect; either that or they're all on the blob 24/7. I could go into a four page rant of stories of bad experiences of bad attitudes with staff in a hospital, but I wouldn't know were to begin. That being said, there was plenty of pricks that used to go there and abuse the staff too. :(

[yiddo14]

It's true. I cringe when people, well, adults ( its quality when the kids say it though ), say you chaps are heroes etc when at work. I appreciate the sentiment but as Wales points out I went in to the job with both eyes open as to what is expected of me in certain situations. It's what attracted me to the job. It's not hero stuff, it really is just doing your job, that's how I look at it anyway. It's how I look at nurses and the armed forces.

Shouldn't have been so quick to dismiss shifts though Wales. I find them ten times better than "normal" working hours. Two days, two nights, four days off...it's not bad. Lots of holiday too. Take a "working week" off and you end up with 12 full days to yourself. Some lad on my watch is currently in the middle of three weeks off, works out he is off for 26 days! sure you have to work weekends etc but it's a good working environment. Can be like a boys club on station as you can imagine and of course, the adrenalin rush is quality at times. Can't recommend the job enough for a young(ish) fella

Can take a while to get in though. Depends on what brigade you are going for I think, and what boxes you tick. If its London and you are an black woman...you will be a watch manager before the ink is dry on your application!

[stevieb_8006]

Some of coldest, meanest spirited people I know are nurses. Stern c*unts. No lie, proper Grot Bag jobs! I worked in a hospital for over 7 years (A&E), and they wouldn't even look at visitors in the eye when being asked how long they've got to wait. They'll act like they're invisible. All this "nurses are the true heroes" is absolute shite. It's a cliche expression to sound good. There're very good ones of course, but I'm afraid I think 60% have no empathy at all. Could the reason be they're overworked and under-cut ...I don't know. They might have started out with the right intention (to help people), but have been worn down 'N' hardened because of the work-load ect; either that or they're all on the blob 24/7. I could go into a four page rant of stories of bad experiences of bad attitudes with staff in a hospital, but I wouldn't know were to begin. That being said, there was plenty of pricks that used to go there and abuse the staff too. :(

its rare i fuckin' piss myself reading a post, but that was class. DD DD DD

some nurses do give the impression they r playing god.

[Eddy]

True though a Steve lol

[Wales]

It's true. I cringe when people, well, adults ( its quality when the kids say it though ), say you chaps are heroes etc when at work. I appreciate the sentiment but as Wales points out I went in to the job with both eyes open as to what is expected of me in certain situations. It's what attracted me to the job. It's not hero stuff, it really is just doing your job, that's how I look at it anyway. It's how I look at nurses and the armed forces.

Shouldn't have been so quick to dismiss shifts though Wales. I find them ten times better than "normal" working hours. Two days, two nights, four days off...it's not bad. Lots of holiday too. Take a "working week" off and you end up with 12 full days to yourself. Some lad on my watch is currently in the middle of three weeks off, works out he is off for 26 days! sure you have to work weekends etc but it's a good working environment. Can be like a boys club on station as you can imagine and of course, the adrenalin rush is quality at times. Can't recommend the job enough for a young(ish) fella

Can take a while to get in though. Depends on what brigade you are going for I think, and what boxes you tick. If its London and you are an black woman...you will be a watch manager before the ink is dry on your application!

Good honest account. Shift work is sounding a little more appealing than the rat race now

[Chambers2]

RIP Roy, the world loses another BIG character

[Darcy Delaney]

He did look a bull of a man and very intimidating. I wonder if he'd been able to beat Billy Williams (Jango)?

mate your talking a different league, the bomb was no mug he could of gone as far in the boxing world as he wanted, he offered mclean out on the landing inside years back and mclean turned it down and not being funny but you'd have to be some fighter to have a core with the bomb god rest him

[palooka]

He did look a bull of a man and very intimidating. I wonder if he'd been able to beat Billy Williams (Jango)?

mate your talking a different league, the bomb was no mug he could of gone as far in the boxing world as he wanted, he offered mclean out on the landing inside years back and mclean turned it down and not being funny but you'd have to be some fighter to have a core with the bomb god rest him

Cheers Darcy; it's a shame that Billy Williams didn't have a better publicist. Both McLean and Shaw put it out they were the very hardest about. That there were others around the same time that could do em must have made him chuckle.

[yiddo14]

Roy was an old man though. His prime years were before he went to prison and he, apparently, had a fairly good start in his pro career, ten wins from ten, 6 ko's etc.

This Williams chap seems to have been a bit of a handful but his pro record was hardly earth shattering.

Shaw seemed an intense character. To me, it seemed like he was possibly the hardest of the lot, obviously based on what has been written about them all. He was only a brawler in later life, he was an armed robber first and foremost! ( takes more balls to do that than almost anything else )

Williams, McLean etc, Shaw was at least a decade older than all of these. Wasn't he in his late 30s when he was released from prison? Fighting is a young mans game for the most part.
It's likely Shaw was past his best when he began his unlicensed career.

[palooka]

Roy was an old man though. His prime years were before he went to prison and he, apparently, had a fairly good start in his pro career, ten wins from ten, 6 ko's etc.

This Williams chap seems to have been a bit of a handful but his pro record was hardly earth shattering.

Shaw seemed an intense character. To me, it seemed like he was possibly the hardest of the lot, obviously based on what has been written about them all. He was only a brawler in later life, he was an armed robber first and foremost! ( takes more balls to do that than almost anything else )

Williams, McLean etc, Shaw was at least a decade older than all of these. Wasn't he in his late 30s when he was released from prison? Fighting is a young mans game for the most part.
It's likely Shaw was past his best when he began his unlicensed career.

Not sure about that pal; a bit like deer hunting, only one side has a gun and the element of surprise.

[yiddo14]

Get caught during the act and you stand a chance of getting shot by the old bill, get caught after and you stand a great chance of going away for 20 years!

Give me a minute in the ring with Lenny McLean any day of the week!

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[lefty]

Some of coldest, meanest spirited people I know are nurses. Stern c*unts. No lie, proper Grot Bag jobs! I worked in a hospital for over 7 years (A&E), and they wouldn't even look at visitors in the eye when being asked how long they've got to wait. They'll act like they're invisible. All this "nurses are the true heroes" is absolute shite. It's a cliche expression to sound good. There're very good ones of course, but I'm afraid I think 60% have no empathy at all. Could the reason be they're overworked and under-cut ...I don't know. They might have started out with the right intention (to help people), but have been worn down 'N' hardened because of the work-load ect; either that or they're all on the blob 24/7. I could go into a four page rant of stories of bad experiences of bad attitudes with staff in a hospital, but I wouldn't know were to begin. That being said, there was plenty of pricks that used to go there and abuse the staff too. :(

I completely agree with that! Great post!

[palooka]

Get caught during the act and you stand a chance of getting shot by the old bill, get caught after and you stand a great chance of going away for 20 years!

Give me a minute in the ring with Lenny McLean any day of the week!

Lets be fair; when Shaw was at it in the 60's/70's they caught the wages vans and bank deliveries on the hop; when the flying sqaud got it together and shot a couple in the act and the electronic banking system was up and going they jacked it in. When they got it back they packed up and went into threatening people or scaring other crooks to death/beating them up for debts and drugs.

[yiddo14]

Shaw got caught. I suspect ten years inside including a stint in broadmoor did for him when it came to resurrecting his armed robbery career!

Plenty still did it well in to the 80s though. Arifs and co.

[Darcy Delaney]

He did look a bull of a man and very intimidating. I wonder if he'd been able to beat Billy Williams (Jango)?

mate your talking a different league, the bomb was no mug he could of gone as far in the boxing world as he wanted, he offered mclean out on the landing inside years back and mclean turned it down and not being funny but you'd have to be some fighter to have a core with the bomb god rest him

Cheers Darcy; it's a shame that Billy Williams didn't have a better publicist. Both McLean and Shaw put it out they were the very hardest about. That there were others around the same time that could do em must have made him chuckle.

if you had offered billy a contract to do a book he'd most proberly turned it down, the thing is mate bill didn't need to shout about it because all these so called hard men new the score ;;-)

[yiddo14]

Is this bill the bomb the bloke in judas pig?

[mickey1975]

Is this bill the bomb the bloke in judas pig?

Yes. He gets done in in it.

[yiddo14]

Did that really happen? He doesn't get painted in the best light in that book. Massive bully.

[palooka]

It's a novel with some real names and occurances but it's a work of fiction mostly, (apparently).

[mickey1975]

Did that really happen? He doesn't get painted in the best light in that book. Massive bully.

No idea, but it sounds credible. I don't think you could carry on like he did in that area without getting jumped occasionally...

[yiddo14]

Apparently that Hunt chap had/has a bit of a reputation.

[Eddy]

[Digby]

Judas Pig was written by Jimmy Holmes. His name was revealed in a libel case Hunt is bringing against some newspapers.