Page 3 of 3
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 13:34
by loaded_gloves
Have you ever watched any Henry Armstrong? Lost twice inside the distance over what, 200 fights in a brutal era, one of which was his PRO DEBUT when he was overmatched. I nearly mentioned Manny Pac who I also think would fit into KO artist/defensive because like Armstrong he is defensive minded and hard to hit. Tyson in the 80s was hard to hit despite his come forward style. You could argue his inclusion.
You were wrong about Patterson also, but anyway thank you Captain Sarcastic, your work here is done.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 13:36
by palooka
Michael Spinks
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 13:39
by loaded_gloves
Old bones Ian wrote:Azumah Nelson is another 1 punch power guy who wasn't caught much by his opponents, watch his rematch against Fenech
Great shout! Love old Zumzum.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 13:41
by loaded_gloves
palooka wrote:Michael Spinks
Spinks could move around, keep the gloves up, toss out the odd jab then boom, smear a guy's brains across the canvas. Great style.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 14:13
by lefty
loaded_gloves wrote:Have you ever watched any Henry Armstrong? Lost twice inside the distance over what, 200 fights in a brutal era, one of which was his PRO DEBUT when he was overmatched. I nearly mentioned Manny Pac who I also think would fit into KO artist/defensive because like Armstrong he is defensive minded and hard to hit. Tyson in the 80s was hard to hit despite his come forward style. You could argue his inclusion.
You were wrong about Patterson also, but anyway thank you Captain Sarcastic, your work here is done.
Pacquaio a defensive fighter?!
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 14:15
by palooka
Michael Nunn didn't get hit at all in his prime and he could lay them out as well.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 14:52
by loaded_gloves
leftysreturn wrote:
Pacquaio a defensive fighter?!
Debatable I know, but his in and out style made it near impossible for De la Hoya, Hatton, Margarito and many others to land anything of substance on him. Of course his power plays a role in that too, but I was just throwing it out there for consideration.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 14:53
by loaded_gloves
palooka wrote:Michael Nunn didn't get hit at all in his prime and he could lay them out as well.
Nunn was no puncher. He certainly does not qualify as a knockout artist at all - that guy just wanted to win decisions and almost accidentally knocked out Kalambay.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 14:57
by Adamj1987
Eubank had decent defence at lower level and ko'd people
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 15:17
by palooka
loaded_gloves wrote:palooka wrote:Michael Nunn didn't get hit at all in his prime and he could lay them out as well.
Nunn was no puncher. He certainly does not qualify as a knockout artist at all - that guy just wanted to win decisions and almost accidentally knocked out Kalambay.
37 KOs and a KO% of 59.68; Nunn had a very heavy left cross and uppercut.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 15:51
by zero
Sugar Ray Robinson (Although he tops the list for everything) Roy Jones and Prince Naseem.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 15:52
by loaded_gloves
Come on, that's just stats. Any top 10 fighter who fights as many journeymen as Nunn did is going to have an inflated KO ratio. There's big hitters with low KO ratios and non-hitters who get matched easy and have a ridiculous knockout percentage. Slick boxer but to call Nunn a knockout artist is like trying to call the sky green.
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 19 Jul 2012, 18:17
by matko
Edwin Rosario was a very good defensive counter punching guy with heavy hands
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 03:21
by Lenny
loaded_gloves wrote:Have you ever watched any Henry Armstrong? Lost twice inside the distance over what, 200 fights in a brutal era, one of which was his PRO DEBUT when he was overmatched. I nearly mentioned Manny Pac who I also think would fit into KO artist/defensive because like Armstrong he is defensive minded and hard to hit. Tyson in the 80s was hard to hit despite his come forward style. You could argue his inclusion.
You were wrong about Patterson also, but anyway thank you Captain Sarcastic, your work here is done.
Isn't there a difference between being a defensive fighter and having a good defence? Calling Armstrong a defensive fighter is ridiculous. You're better than this loaded_gloves, not the patronising bit of course, but Armstrong was a massively aggressive fighter with a great defence. Now come down off that high horse and tell us about the great Howard Eastman
Re: can you be a knock out artist but yet be a defensive fighter
Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 03:26
by loaded_gloves
HOWARD EASTMAN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPION IN ANY OTHER ERA, PROBABLY ACROSS THREE WEIGHTS.