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Controversial wrote:

Flump wrote: Quick Tillis

I wouldn't call Tillis a journeyman as he fought for the title. He was a decent fighter and ended up being a name for the up and comers. My definition of a journeyman is someone who holds his own against the best, normally loses, and never gets a title shot himself.

We might have to alter that definition of a journeyman because there are now so many divisions and titles. Many average fighters land title shots nowadays.

Rover wrote:
We might have to alter that definition of a journeyman because there are now so many divisions and titles. Many average fighters land title shots nowadays.

Yes quite possibly so these days, at least Tillis fought for a 'proper' title and was a genuine contender.

bluerosekiller wrote:I was always fascinated by the career of Chicago trial horse/journeyman Danny Blake.

Does anyone have a photo or video of Blake?

Expug wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Flump wrote: Quick Tillis

I wouldn't call Tillis a journeyman as he fought for the title. He was a decent fighter and ended up being a name for the up and comers. My definition of a journeyman is someone who holds his own against the best, normally loses, and never gets a title shot himself.

Yes.I agree with your definition. Quick was a solid contendor for awhile there.

Fair enough, I take you're point guys, he was a talented fighter and you had to be good to beat him and he fought for a title and he wasn't a 48 hour notice guy, absolutely.

All I would say is out of all the big names he fought the only one he beat was a 37 year old Shavers, I just think of him as a gatekeeper rather than a contender.

rocky juarez now

Expug wrote:

bluerosekiller wrote:I was always fascinated by the career of Chicago trial horse/journeyman Danny Blake.
He engaged in 63 pro fights between 1982 & 1995 at middleweight thru heavyweight. With his main attribute in the ring being his incredible durability & toughness. He was a VERY rugged guy that was never stopped inside the distance. With all his losses coming via decision. Pretty impressive considering the level of opposition that he faced.

Great call. I was gonna mention Danny. I fought on the same card with him once or twice. What a chin he had. Man was he tough. He also kod Lenny Lapaglia twice.

Was Irish Mike Jameson another whom you crossed paths with Expug? He was a pretty decent journeyman, never just rolled over. Though Bruno took him out pretty quickly, in Chicago if memory serves.

Adamj1987 wrote:rocky juarez now

Antonio Escalante.

Flump...no unfortunately I've never met Jameson but I met Bruno as he trained in the gym I trained at in Chicago when he came over to fight Jameson. He asked me if he could use my speed bag when I was through. Here's the interesting part,that day in the gym,he put it on another heavyweight pretty good when he sparred. That guy was...,you guessed it,"Quick" Tillis.

LC Morgan, Angel Robinson Garcia and Merqui Sosa

lenzi morgan......i think thats how you spell the first name

Expug wrote:Flump...no unfortunately I've never met Jameson but I met Bruno as he trained in the gym I trained at in Chicago when he came over to fight Jameson. He asked me if he could use my speed bag when I was through. Here's the interesting part,that day in the gym,he put it on another heavyweight pretty good when he sparred. That guy was...,you guessed it,"Quick" Tillis.

, thanks Expug

One man comes to mind.... Bobby Crabtree

Miguel Mathews, Des Gargano and Peter Buckley.

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Miguel Mathews, Des Gargano and Peter Buckley.

All Hamed victims.

Can't believe how long it took for Buckley to get a mention.

Does Reggie Strickland count?

When Strickland is mentioned,do we move into the Opponent category? I dunno tough to say. On the one hand,a good journeyman is a guy who can hang with anyone and give a good account of himself over ten rounds. By no means is it a negative to be regarded as a journeyman. I think its a compliment to reach that status. You've paid your dues. Been in with the best. Now in Reggies case,I think he may actually qualify in that he had some skills when he put his mind to it. I don't feel like perusing his record right now but I'm thinking he didn't get stopped very often compared to how many he lost. He usally went the distance. However I'm not sure he fought many ten rounders. So,maybe he falls in his own category...on a footnote,I fought on the same card with him too and shared a laugh with him before a card in 89. We had the same dressing room. I can't remember the exact conversation but it was something along the lines of what weight class his opponent that night normally fought at. I think Reggie just laughed and said "who cares"

Paul Wesley was a decent journeyman and had some skills, could be a dangerman if he turned up in the right mood.

Rover wrote:

ShadrachSimmo wrote:Miguel Mathews, Des Gargano and Peter Buckley.

All Hamed victims.

Buckley extended him in the first encounter and apparantly unlucky to be stopped in the second fight.

Expug wrote:When Strickland is mentioned,do we move into the Opponent category? I dunno tough to say. On the one hand,a good journeyman is a guy who can hang with anyone and give a good account of himself over ten rounds. By no means is it a negative to be regarded as a journeyman. I think its a compliment to reach that status. You've paid your dues. Been in with the best. Now in Reggies case,I think he may actually qualify in that he had some skills when he put his mind to it. I don't feel like perusing his record right now but I'm thinking he didn't get stopped very often compared to how many he lost. He usally went the distance. However I'm not sure he fought many ten rounders. So,maybe he falls in his own category...on a footnote,I fought on the same card with him too and shared a laugh with him before a card in 89. We had the same dressing room. I can't remember the exact conversation but it was something along the lines of what weight class his opponent that night normally fought at. I think Reggie just laughed and said "who cares"

Reggie Strickland had no offense, but what defense! Any man who can go the distance in his late 30s and 40s against undefeated prospects and world contenders, has nothing but defense. I know many journeyman types who worked with Reggie as business partners in training, etc. who said he was the best defensive fighter they ever saw. Most times, also, its been said Reggie would do favors with promoters getting his guys on a card along with himself, and dropping losses purposely. Donnie Pendelton was the same way, as was Buckley. Danny Wofford is another. But I wouldnt compare them with someone like Frankie Hines.

Tommy Spiegal

Tomashek was a good journeyman. I know he fought for a title, but that situation was a fluke; they pulled him out of the audience when Mike Williams (who was in Rocky V with Morrison) refused to take a drug test. That happened so close to the fight that ESPN's intro at the top of the show still billed it as Morrison v. Williams.

Keith Jones: 91-9-7

polecateddy wrote:Keith Jones: 91-9-7

Good record. Never heard of him.

Expug wrote:When Strickland is mentioned,do we move into the Opponent category? I dunno tough to say. On the one hand,a good journeyman is a guy who can hang with anyone and give a good account of himself over ten rounds. By no means is it a negative to be regarded as a journeyman. I think its a compliment to reach that status. You've paid your dues. Been in with the best. Now in Reggies case,I think he may actually qualify in that he had some skills when he put his mind to it. I don't feel like perusing his record right now but I'm thinking he didn't get stopped very often compared to how many he lost. He usally went the distance. However I'm not sure he fought many ten rounders. So,maybe he falls in his own category...on a footnote,I fought on the same card with him too and shared a laugh with him before a card in 89. We had the same dressing room. I can't remember the exact conversation but it was something along the lines of what weight class his opponent that night normally fought at. I think Reggie just laughed and said "who cares"

I think Reggie used to post at Boxrec many moons ago. One of the original posters Tomato Can may have gotten under his skin one day. And Reggie may have suggested TC meet him at the Seattle bus terminal so they could duke it out

Rover wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Keith Jones: 91-9-7

Good record. Never heard of him.

He's Welsh if that helps?