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SteveDow wrote:

hurlock wrote:Wasn't Henry cooper knighted???

Can't really think if many fighters I'd knight to be honest???

Barry mguigan??

Frank Maloney

I genuinely never understood why Henry Cooper was knighted. With respect, he was a decent but not genuinely world class fighter and he never held a world title. Yes, he knocked down Ali but surely for a knighthood which is the ultimate accolade you have to do something pretty extraordinary.

Lennox Lewis should definitely have received one given he unified the division and was widely recognised as the best heavyweight in the world for about 4 or 5 years at a time when the division was still decent.

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Cant we campaign to get Kevin "The Look" Lueshing knighted for flooring a peak Felix Trinidad? And he worked tirelessly for the NSPCC. Never made a shit/good aftershave advert, though.

Because it's the biggest load of nonsense ever that means nothing in the real world, just some wee fantasy land of lord's and lady's. It's the 21st century ffs, a person isn't defined by some moronic 'title', crowns and all that rubbish. Talk about living in the dark ages

The other factor is that awards like knighthoods are given to people whose faces better fit within "the establishment".

By this, I don't mean given just to white upper middle class sportsmen and women but rather to those who are a lot more boring and straightlaced despite the fact that often the contempories of the people to obtain such awards may have achieved as least as much.

Just a few examples of people who have not been given the awards they deserve but who clearly should have been based on sporting achievement and prowess are:

Daley Thompson (2 time Olympic champion at the hardest event and not knighted when Kelly Holmes was damed for winning 2 races in the same Olympics)

George Best (remarkably never even given an MBE. I appreciate his off field activities were not ideal but he was the best footballer Britain ever produced)

Ronnie O'Sullivan (again never been given an MBE. Off table antics not ideal but the guy is a 4 time world champion. Jimmy White and John Parrott were each given an MBE and only have 1 world title between them)

Henry Cooper/Lennox Lewis is covered above

SteveDow wrote: George Best (remarkably never even given an MBE. I appreciate his off field activities were not ideal but he was the best footballer Britain ever produced)

George Best admitted that he beat his wife up on numerous occasions.

Quite rightly he never got an honour.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote: George Best (remarkably never even given an MBE. I appreciate his off field activities were not ideal but he was the best footballer Britain ever produced)

George Best admitted that he beat his wife up on numerous occasions.

Quite rightly he never got an honour.

I'm not condoning his behaviour for one second but that came much later in his life. Why wasn't he given an award when he was still playing after all he achieved. Also Geoff Boycott beat his wife up but was his award withdrawn?

SteveDow wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

SteveDow wrote: George Best (remarkably never even given an MBE. I appreciate his off field activities were not ideal but he was the best footballer Britain ever produced)

George Best admitted that he beat his wife up on numerous occasions.

Quite rightly he never got an honour.

I'm not condoning his behaviour for one second but that came much later in his life. Why wasn't he given an award when he was still playing after all he achieved. Also Geoff Boycott beat his wife up but was his award withdrawn?

The Boycott conviction was a joke, it is quite unbelievable that he was found guilty. I do take your point however.

Best wasted his talent and was a washed up drunk at 27. I think he is the last person in sport that should be honoured. Im a United fan, but i cannot stand this Best worship.

Oh and Sir Henry Cooper?

What a joke that is.

Tommy Cooper was more deserving.

But it then comes back to a debate about what the honours are given for. If they are given for achievement and ability in the persons chosen sport then it is a joke to suggest that someone like Best should not have been honoured. I believe they should be given for achievement and ability but all to often they are given because somebody is an all round good egg whose face fits within certain circles.

SteveDow wrote:But it then comes back to a debate about what the honours are given for. If they are given for achievement and ability in the persons chosen sport then it is a joke to suggest that someone like Best should not have been honoured. I believe they should be given for achievement and ability but all to often they are given because somebody is an all round good egg whose face fits within certain circles.

It is an interesting debate, however I think there is a difference between being a "good egg" and punching your wife in the face. There was a very dark side to George Best that is hard to ignore.

Like everything in life, you have to look at the whole picture.

Anyway, the honours system is a total joke. Its like arguing about the best way to wipe your arse*














*Maybe not, actually.

SteveDow wrote: Lennox Lewis should definitely have received one given he unified the division and was widely recognised as the best heavyweight in the world for about 4 or 5 years at a time when the division was still decent.

Again - Lennox Lewis will never be knighted as long as he holds Canadian citizenship. Lennox Lewis and his knighthood is one big non-starter.

dohboy wrote:Because it's the biggest load of nonsense ever that means nothing in the real world, just some wee fantasy land of lord's and lady's. It's the 21st century ffs, a person isn't defined by some moronic 'title', crowns and all that rubbish. Talk about living in the dark ages

A knighthood means extra earning power.

It's more to do with royal bumlicking to be knighted, Mick Jagger received a knighthood and he lived a life of debauchery but he knew a lot of the royals on a "friendly" basis and i think he shagged the queens sister.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
The Boycott conviction was a joke, it is quite unbelievable that he was found guilty. I do take your point however.

Best wasted his talent and was a washed up drunk at 27. I think he is the last person in sport that should be honoured. Im a United fan, but i cannot stand this Best worship.

*sighs* every man has his flaws

[quote="banjo"]It's more to do with royal bumlicking to be knighted, Mick Jagger received a knighthood and he lived a life of debauchery but he knew a lot of the royals on a "friendly" basis and i think he shagged the queens sister.[/quote]

Bet he didn't brag about it, she was a bit rough.

Margaret? She was attractive in her day.

orbtastic wrote:Margaret? She was attractive in her day.

Aye, one of the few attractive British royals, nowt stunning but I would have smashed her back doors in.

banjo wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Margaret? She was attractive in her day.

Aye, one of the few attractive British royals, nowt stunning but I would have smashed her back doors in.

i dont check my thread for a few days and you fellas are spouting royal filth

banjo wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
The Boycott conviction was a joke, it is quite unbelievable that he was found guilty. I do take your point however.

Best wasted his talent and was a washed up drunk at 27. I think he is the last person in sport that should be honoured. Im a United fan, but i cannot stand this Best worship.

*sighs* every man has his flaws

I say "fan" but to be quite honest, i find almost every aspect of the club abhorrent.

They never bow down to no bitches or assholes. Plus rumour has it, every so called king has an ancestor they exiled who knocked their asses to sweet dreams.

Course the forget McCartney and his sweet mixture of liverpoolian blood where they crossed the damnedest river and boxed around before picking up that guitar.

liamlion wrote:

jimcook wrote:what does it matter anyway. a reward or merit from the aristocracy/ government, that continues to pocket the lions share of the countries resources, keep people in poverty, whole fukken system is corrupt as fukk. im amazed that people still accept these mbes obes khnighthoods etc. iknow i will never be in a position to receive one , but if one was ever offered , they'd be told to stick it up their arses. the list of the rich and famous who have these awards is littered with evil bastards.

Totally agree.

God save the queen?? What an absolute joke. Those people (the Windsors) wouldn't even piss on us common people. And for good measure we part finance their privileged lifestyles.

I honestly dont understand why we don't yet live in a republic.

Excuse me, but I have served shoulder to shoulder with members of the Royal Family, they piss and bleed just like you and me. So button it. GSTQ.

Could be worse, the Lou Marsh award - named after a boxing referee and judge and the top
sports award in Canada, has never been won by a boxer! Can you imagine a 'Sir Henry Cooper
sports award' and a boxer never ever wins it?

plymouthskinhead wrote:

liamlion wrote:

jimcook wrote:what does it matter anyway. a reward or merit from the aristocracy/ government, that continues to pocket the lions share of the countries resources, keep people in poverty, whole fukken system is corrupt as fukk. im amazed that people still accept these mbes obes khnighthoods etc. iknow i will never be in a position to receive one , but if one was ever offered , they'd be told to stick it up their arses. the list of the rich and famous who have these awards is littered with evil bastards.

Totally agree.

God save the queen?? What an absolute joke. Those people (the Windsors) wouldn't even piss on us common people. And for good measure we part finance their privileged lifestyles.

I honestly dont understand why we don't yet live in a republic.

Excuse me, but I have served shoulder to shoulder with members of the Royal Family, they piss and bleed just like you and me. So button it. GSTQ.

It is a free country - he is allowed to say what he likes about them, the Saxe-Gothas aren't above criticism.

plymouthskinhead wrote:

liamlion wrote:

jimcook wrote:what does it matter anyway. a reward or merit from the aristocracy/ government, that continues to pocket the lions share of the countries resources, keep people in poverty, whole fukken system is corrupt as fukk. im amazed that people still accept these mbes obes khnighthoods etc. iknow i will never be in a position to receive one , but if one was ever offered , they'd be told to stick it up their arses. the list of the rich and famous who have these awards is littered with evil bastards.

Totally agree.

God save the queen?? What an absolute joke. Those people (the Windsors) wouldn't even piss on us common people. And for good measure we part finance their privileged lifestyles.

I honestly dont understand why we don't yet live in a republic.

Excuse me, but I have served shoulder to shoulder with members of the Royal Family, they piss and bleed just like you and me. So button it. GSTQ.

And do you really believe a "serving" Royal would have the same risk placed upon them as the everyman? somehow, i think not.