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foxy01 wrote:

yancey wrote:

foxy01 wrote:No point. Yanks will vote for Yanks. It's ok everyone else understands, but it isn't to be taken seriously.

Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson, and
Holmes


All above Lewis? yeah right.

How come Lewis didn't keep his word about giving V. Klitscho a rematch?

Mum didn't think it was such a good idea, eh?

Why would a 38 year old lacking motivation with more than a $100 million in the bank bother about rematches? Get real.

Because Mummy said no, I reckon.[/quote]


Could be right, but doubtful.

Would you like to give me a list of Heavies that are worth more than a $100 million dollars today, ( not earned it, but kept it and still have it ) then we will discuss whose mum said what. [/quote]

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Foreman
4. Johnson
5. Frazier
6. Holmes
7. Marciano
8. Holyfield
9. Lewis
10. Demspey
11. Liston
12. Jeffries
13. Tyson
14. Tunney
15. Bowe
16. Charles
17. Walcott
18. Langford
19. Wills
20. Jeannette
21. McVey
22. Norton
23. Patterson
24. Fitzsimmons
25. Corbett
26. Baer
27. Schmeling
28. Sharkey
29. Sullivan
30. Jackson

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
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4. Holmes
5. Holyfield
6. Dempsey
7. Frazier
8. Lewis
9. Marciano
10. Liston
11. Foreman
12. Jeffries
13. Tyson
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14. Charles
15. Walcott
16. Schmeling
17. Langford
18. Jeanette
19. Sharkey
20. Wills
21. Tunney
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22. Norton
23. Corbett
24. Jackson
25. McVey
26. Moore
27. Young
28. Bowe
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29. Baer
30. Miske

I didn't put the Klits on because they are still active. They'd easily make the top 30 for me.

Sonny Fiston wrote:I could give a shit about this country...

I don't rank Lewis that high because he got flatlined by two fighters that aren't even top 200 HW's. Who cares if he avenged them.

The other question is, how overrated are Johnson and Marciano?

That means Roberto Duran is shite, because he lost to Esteban DeJesus and Kirklaind Laing.

Dejesus is a borderline HOFer.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Dejesus is a borderline HOFer.

I know this.... and your point is?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Dejesus is a borderline HOFer.

I know this.... and your point is?

As ridiculous as his post was, using Dejesus as an example was foolish. The point should be obvious, no need to get upset.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Dejesus is a borderline HOFer.

I know this.... and your point is?

As ridiculous as his post was, using Dejesus as an example was foolish. The point should be obvious, no need to get upset.

I was being ironic you silly man.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: I know this.... and your point is?

As ridiculous as his post was, using Dejesus as an example was foolish. The point should be obvious, no need to get upset.

I was being ironic you silly man.

It was poorly executed. Someone like Lawlor instead of Dejesus and you would have nailed it.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was poorly executed. Someone like Lawlor instead of Dejesus and you would have nailed it.

Lawlor was when Duran was finished. You're just being stupid now.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was poorly executed. Someone like Lawlor instead of Dejesus and you would have nailed it.

Lawlor was when Duran was finished. You're just being stupid now.

Listing DeJesus in response to his statement was stupid. H What's really ironic is that you chastised me over not being able to admit when I'm wrong. Here's your chance big man.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was poorly executed. Someone like Lawlor instead of Dejesus and you would have nailed it.

Lawlor was when Duran was finished. You're just being stupid now.

Listing DeJesus in response to his statement was stupid. What's really ironic is that you chastised me over not being able to admit when I'm wrong. Here's your chance big man.

I'm wrong.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Lawlor was when Duran was finished. You're just being stupid now.

Listing DeJesus in response to his statement was stupid. What's really ironic is that you chastised me over not being able to admit when I'm wrong. Here's your chance big man.

I'm wrong.

You admitted you were wrong and the board crashed for a minute. My bad, don't do that again.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You admitted you were wrong and the board crashed for a minute. My bad, don't do that again.

It's your chance to admit you're wrong. Foreman states two things clearly in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmG_gR576EA

1. Don King drove to his house with a contract for a fight with Tyson and asked him to sign it.

2. George didn't come back to fight any particular boxer, he just came back for the title.

The floor is yours.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You admitted you were wrong and the board crashed for a minute. My bad, don't do that again.

It's your chance to admit you're wrong. Foreman states two things clearly in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmG_gR576EA

1. Don King drove to his house with a contract for a fight with Tyson and asked him to sign it.

2. George didn't come back to fight any particular boxer, he just came back for the title.

The floor is yours.

Ahh, so that's what has your bee in a bonnet? If I was wrong I would have admitted it then. Don King never wanted Tyson to face Foreman. Not for one second.

George came back for money.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You admitted you were wrong and the board crashed for a minute. My bad, don't do that again.

It's your chance to admit you're wrong. Foreman states two things clearly in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmG_gR576EA

1. Don King drove to his house with a contract for a fight with Tyson and asked him to sign it.

2. George didn't come back to fight any particular boxer, he just came back for the title.

The floor is yours.

Ahh, so that's what has your bee in a bonnet? If I was wrong I would have admitted it then. Don King never wanted Tyson to face Foreman. Not for one second.

George came back for money.

You really are an egomaniac. Foreman clearly states facts on live television and you being the loon you are, think he's just making it up.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
It's your chance to admit you're wrong. Foreman states two things clearly in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmG_gR576EA

1. Don King drove to his house with a contract for a fight with Tyson and asked him to sign it.

2. George didn't come back to fight any particular boxer, he just came back for the title.

The floor is yours.

Ahh, so that's what has your bee in a bonnet? If I was wrong I would have admitted it then. Don King never wanted Tyson to face Foreman. Not for one second.

George came back for money.

You really are an egomaniac. Foreman clearly states facts on live television and you being the loon you are, think he's just making it up.

You're the one whose ego has had you pissing and moaning at me since the original thread and now you're bringing it up again. I've admitted I was wrong many times, if you don't recall them than that's your problem.

I didn't watch your video, it doesn't concern me. Public figures say things all of the time. You already said the King offer was only for 5 million dollars. That's the oldest trick in the business world, low ball someone into saying no and it takes the blame off of you.

As I told you in the actual thread a month or two ago. We will never agree on it so there is no need to go further.

Wow, and this is the guy bragging about his wonderful life? Still obsessing over the same dead end.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Your the one whose ego has had you pissing and moaning at me since the original thread and now you're bringing it up again. I've admitted I was wrong many times, if you don't recall them than that's your problem.

I didn't watch your video, it doesn't concern me. Public figures say things all of the time. You already said the King offer was only for 5 million dollars. That's the oldest trick in the business world, low ball someone into saying no and it takes the blame off of you.

As I told you in the actual thread a month or two ago. We will never agree on it so there is no need to go further.

Wow, and this is the guy bragging about his wonderful life? Still obsessing over the same dead end.

Go back to sleep...... on your own.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Your the one whose ego has had you pissing and moaning at me since the original thread and now you're bringing it up again. I've admitted I was wrong many times, if you don't recall them than that's your problem.

I didn't watch your video, it doesn't concern me. Public figures say things all of the time. You already said the King offer was only for 5 million dollars. That's the oldest trick in the business world, low ball someone into saying no and it takes the blame off of you.

As I told you in the actual thread a month or two ago. We will never agree on it so there is no need to go further.

Wow, and this is the guy bragging about his wonderful life? Still obsessing over the same dead end.

Go back to sleep...... on your own.

What a child you are.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Your the one whose ego has had you pissing and moaning at me since the original thread and now you're bringing it up again. I've admitted I was wrong many times, if you don't recall them than that's your problem.

I didn't watch your video, it doesn't concern me. Public figures say things all of the time. You already said the King offer was only for 5 million dollars. That's the oldest trick in the business world, low ball someone into saying no and it takes the blame off of you.

As I told you in the actual thread a month or two ago. We will never agree on it so there is no need to go further.

Wow, and this is the guy bragging about his wonderful life? Still obsessing over the same dead end.

Go back to sleep...... on your own.

What a child you are.

I know I'm childish, it's one of my better qualities.

Dempsey never 'refused' to fight black fighters; he was ready to fight Wills but Rickard nixed the fight. And besides Wills, Langford (by the time Dempsey arose as a top contender in 1917-18) was getting beat-up by Fred Fulton (who Jack annihilated in one round), McVey was fighting in Panama, and Jeannette past his best and relatively inactive.

He signed to fight Wills. None of the other top black heavyweights would have had a chance. Their time had gone. And unfortunately their lack of title chances falls at Johnson's feet.

My guess is that Wills would have beaten Dempsey pre-Willard. But once Dempsey became champ I think he'd have won.

If Jack only missed one challenger out then that's a lot better than many guys who are getting ranked above him.

Ezzard wrote:1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
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4. Holmes
5. Holyfield
6. Dempsey
7. Frazier
8. Lewis
9. Marciano
10. Liston
11. Foreman
12. Jeffries
13. Tyson
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14. Charles
15. Walcott
16. Schmeling
17. Langford
18. Jeanette
19. Sharkey
20. Wills
21. Tunney
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22. Norton
23. Corbett
24. Jackson
25. McVey
26. Moore
27. Young
28. Bowe
---------------------
29. Baer
30. Miske

I didn't put the Klits on because they are still active. They'd easily make the top 30 for me.

I think that is a reasonable list, except I think Fitzsimmons has to be in there. Is that an oversight Ezzard?

Ambling Alp II wrote:

Ezzard wrote:1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
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4. Holmes
5. Holyfield
6. Dempsey
7. Frazier
8. Lewis
9. Marciano
10. Liston
11. Foreman
12. Jeffries
13. Tyson
--------------------
14. Charles
15. Walcott
16. Schmeling
17. Langford
18. Jeanette
19. Sharkey
20. Wills
21. Tunney
---------------------
22. Norton
23. Corbett
24. Jackson
25. McVey
26. Moore
27. Young
28. Bowe
---------------------
29. Baer
30. Miske

I didn't put the Klits on because they are still active. They'd easily make the top 30 for me.

I think that is a reasonable list, except I think Fitzsimmons has to be in there. Is that an oversight Ezzard?

I know Fitz was a physicla freak and a truly amazing fighter a top 20 p4p minimum...but he's just too small...

I think Tunney was a better fighter than many above him but again size is an issue.

Ezzard wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:

Ezzard wrote:1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
-------------------
4. Holmes
5. Holyfield
6. Dempsey
7. Frazier
8. Lewis
9. Marciano
10. Liston
11. Foreman
12. Jeffries
13. Tyson
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14. Charles
15. Walcott
16. Schmeling
17. Langford
18. Jeanette
19. Sharkey
20. Wills
21. Tunney
---------------------
22. Norton
23. Corbett
24. Jackson
25. McVey
26. Moore
27. Young
28. Bowe
---------------------
29. Baer
30. Miske

I didn't put the Klits on because they are still active. They'd easily make the top 30 for me.

I think that is a reasonable list, except I think Fitzsimmons has to be in there. Is that an oversight Ezzard?

I know Fitz was a physicla freak and a truly amazing fighter a top 20 p4p minimum...but he's just too small...

He wasn't too small to knock out your #23.