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Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 09:26
by keithmoonhangover
warriorbox wrote:Really can't see this fight happening at this point. Hennessy will likely lose the purse bids and so he'll pull Fury out. Fury isn't a big enough ticket seller for it to happen over here imo and Hennessy doesn't really look like he has a long term future with Channel 5, so not sure where the money would come from.

Hennessy has done Ok with Fury so far, but I'm starting to question whether he has the financial resources to take Fury's career any further. Personally I feel he'd be better off with Warren now, he's proven with Chisora and many other boxers over the years he can make big fights happen, and I think he could do more with Fury than Hennessy can right now, Fury vs Chisora 2 would be a decent fight for Allegedly channel and they could build more subscribers from it.

Too much is made of Warrens limited company being in financial difficulty, he still has tremendous personal wealth and his own TV station, so I don't believe for a second he is on his last legs as a promoter.

Hearn is the other option obviously, I just think Warren is a better fit and has much more experience in getting heavyweights decent title chances.
Hennessy hasn't done an 'OK' job with Fury, he's done an amazing job. Getting Fury's fights shown on terrestrial television, exposure in America, fights that have made Tyson a highly ranked contender and one fight away from becoming a mandatory challenger for the world title. What is 'OK' about that?

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 09:48
by warriorbox
keithmoonhangover wrote:
warriorbox wrote:Really can't see this fight happening at this point. Hennessy will likely lose the purse bids and so he'll pull Fury out. Fury isn't a big enough ticket seller for it to happen over here imo and Hennessy doesn't really look like he has a long term future with Channel 5, so not sure where the money would come from.

Hennessy has done Ok with Fury so far, but I'm starting to question whether he has the financial resources to take Fury's career any further. Personally I feel he'd be better off with Warren now, he's proven with Chisora and many other boxers over the years he can make big fights happen, and I think he could do more with Fury than Hennessy can right now, Fury vs Chisora 2 would be a decent fight for Allegedly channel and they could build more subscribers from it.

Too much is made of Warrens limited company being in financial difficulty, he still has tremendous personal wealth and his own TV station, so I don't believe for a second he is on his last legs as a promoter.

Hearn is the other option obviously, I just think Warren is a better fit and has much more experience in getting heavyweights decent title chances.
Hennessy hasn't done an 'OK' job with Fury, he's done an amazing job. Getting Fury's fights shown on terrestrial television, exposure in America, fights that have made Tyson a highly ranked contender and one fight away from becoming a mandatory challenger for the world title. What is 'OK' about that?
The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset. If Hennessy loses channel 5 - what then?

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 10:05
by dammage7
warriorbox wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
warriorbox wrote:Really can't see this fight happening at this point. Hennessy will likely lose the purse bids and so he'll pull Fury out. Fury isn't a big enough ticket seller for it to happen over here imo and Hennessy doesn't really look like he has a long term future with Channel 5, so not sure where the money would come from.

Hennessy has done Ok with Fury so far, but I'm starting to question whether he has the financial resources to take Fury's career any further. Personally I feel he'd be better off with Warren now, he's proven with Chisora and many other boxers over the years he can make big fights happen, and I think he could do more with Fury than Hennessy can right now, Fury vs Chisora 2 would be a decent fight for Allegedly channel and they could build more subscribers from it.

Too much is made of Warrens limited company being in financial difficulty, he still has tremendous personal wealth and his own TV station, so I don't believe for a second he is on his last legs as a promoter.

Hearn is the other option obviously, I just think Warren is a better fit and has much more experience in getting heavyweights decent title chances.
Hennessy hasn't done an 'OK' job with Fury, he's done an amazing job. Getting Fury's fights shown on terrestrial television, exposure in America, fights that have made Tyson a highly ranked contender and one fight away from becoming a mandatory challenger for the world title. What is 'OK' about that?
The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset. If Hennessy loses channel 5 - what then?
matchroom

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 10:26
by followthecamel
warriorbox wrote: The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset.
:OhYes: :TU:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 12:05
by keithmoonhangover
warriorbox wrote:The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset. If Hennessy loses channel 5 - what then?
Fury's lack of a following is not down to Hennessy, it's because Tyson doesn't have a clear identity. I wouldn't class the smaller room at MSG as a cow shed.

If Hennesy loses C5, then we'll find out what he does. But for now, that hasn't happened.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 12:27
by rm1
Fury may well be a ticket seller in the USA and Canada now and he would be in the UK against Haye and Price.
I would think that Kubrat Pulev is the lesser draw of the two.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 15:20
by Autobarn
if pulev pressures fury, will fury turn his back - a terrible habit he showed in the mcdermott fights?

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 16:10
by CiganoBoxer
Autobarn wrote:if pulev pressures fury, will fury turn his back - a terrible habit he showed in the mcdermott fights?
Remind us how long ago was the mcdermott fights ?? or are you just picking bones cause you have a very small penis and hate gypsies ? :lol:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 16:54
by warriorbox
keithmoonhangover wrote:
warriorbox wrote:The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset. If Hennessy loses channel 5 - what then?
Fury's lack of a following is not down to Hennessy, it's because Tyson doesn't have a clear identity. I wouldn't class the smaller room at MSG as a cow shed.

If Hennesy loses C5, then we'll find out what he does. But for now, that hasn't happened.
It is absolutely 100% down to Hennessy, he is Fury's promoter, that means not just making the fights, but promoting him in the right way, something he is struggling with at the moment imo (seems a similar situation to what happened in the early part of Froch's career). As for Madison Sq Garden, I've not seen any reports on how well that fight sold so can't really comment on it or how much of the sales were down to Cunningham.

As far as I've heard Ch5 are out of boxing at the moment and the last Tyson fight was a one shot, last minute deal.

I should say, I like Fury, I just think for the good of his career he needs to move forward with a different promoter.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 05 May 2013, 17:00
by keithmoonhangover
warriorbox wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
warriorbox wrote:The fact that after everything you mention fury is still not a major ticket seller, and is still going to be fighting in cattle sheds in Somerset. If Hennessy loses channel 5 - what then?
Fury's lack of a following is not down to Hennessy, it's because Tyson doesn't have a clear identity. I wouldn't class the smaller room at MSG as a cow shed.

If Hennesy loses C5, then we'll find out what he does. But for now, that hasn't happened.
It is absolutely 100% down to Hennessy, he is Fury's promoter, that means not just making the fights, but promoting him in the right way, something he is struggling with at the moment imo (seems a similar situation to what happened in the early part of Froch's career). As for Madison Sq Garden, I've not seen any reports on how well that fight sold so can't really comment on it or how much of the sales were down to Cunningham.

As far as I've heard Ch5 are out of boxing at the moment and the last Tyson fight was a one shot, last minute deal.

I should say, I like Fury, I just think for the good of his career he needs to move forward with a different promoter.
I had an email from Channel 5 a couple of weeks back stating that they no intention od stopping showing boxing.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 10:31
by the truth
His name is Tyson Luke Fury, check his birth certificate

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 14:03
by Maxsplit
Eddie Chambers thinks Pulev will be a very easy night's work for Fury.

I trust his judgement as he fought and beat Dimitrenko too. He also was one of the few people to call Thompson KOing Price. He is a student of boxing :OhYes:

Peter Fury also feels Pulev is a limited fighter.

I'm still unclear on what Pulev's standout win is, that earned him his fearsome reputation ...

Anyway, I am hopeful this fight will happen as the Fury camp are actively pursuing it :TU:

EDIT: I have just discovered Pulev LOST more fights as an amateur Super Heavyweight than he won, including losing FIVE times to Camarelle :lol:

HOW does this guy have such an esteemed reputation?? :KO:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 15:01
by Pugilist-specialist
Fury's boxing someone else in September.

:TU:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 15:02
by keithmoonhangover
Pugilist-specialist wrote:Fury's boxing Haye in September.

:TU:
And your source is?

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 15:44
by jameswilson
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Pugilist-specialist wrote:Fury's boxing Haye in September.

:TU:
And your source is?

http://www.fantasyland.com

Edit - Didn't expect that to be an actual website.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 15:46
by keithmoonhangover
jameswilson wrote:
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Pugilist-specialist wrote:Fury's boxing Haye in September.

:TU:
And your source is?

http://www.fantasyland.com

Edit - Didn't expect that to be an actual website.
:lol: :TU:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 06 May 2013, 18:14
by Kilburn
Maxsplit wrote: HOW does this guy have such an esteemed reputation?? :KO:
People wouldn't be all over Pulev if he was fighting Vladimir or Haye for example.

But this is Tyson Fury we're talking about...

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 07 May 2013, 03:15
by warriorbox
the truth wrote:His name is Tyson Luke Fury, check his birth certificate
Not sure what this has got to do with him fighting Pulev, but I'm pretty certain his name is Luke Tyson Fury - even says that on his own official website.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 07 May 2013, 06:30
by lillywhite14
Maxsplit wrote:Eddie Chambers thinks Pulev will be a very easy night's work for Fury.

I trust his judgement as he fought and beat Dimitrenko too. He also was one of the few people to call Thompson KOing Price. He is a student of boxing :OhYes:

Peter Fury also feels Pulev is a limited fighter.

I'm still unclear on what Pulev's standout win is, that earned him his fearsome reputation ...

Anyway, I am hopeful this fight will happen as the Fury camp are actively pursuing it :TU:

EDIT: I have just discovered Pulev LOST more fights as an amateur Super Heavyweight than he won, including losing FIVE times to Camarelle :lol:

HOW does this guy have such an esteemed reputation?? :KO:
His standout wins are Dimitrenko and Ustinov.
He mixed in the top level as an am for years. He has numerous world/european championship medals. Losing to the likes of Cammarelle is nothing to be ashamed of! The Italian is one of the best super heavies to box am.

Pulev will be Fury's hardest fight so far if it happens.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 07 May 2013, 19:06
by Giancarlo
mrpedigree wrote:
Autobarn wrote:if pulev pressures fury, will fury turn his back - a terrible habit he showed in the mcdermott fights?
Remind us how long ago was the mcdermott fights ?? or are you just picking bones cause you have a very small penis and hate gypsies ? :lol:
Mr Pedigree, does your love for Big Luke have any limits?

:lol:

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 07 May 2013, 21:20
by Hardcase
Tyson is his first name
Some things people end fixating on is really strange.
Fury is a great character , one that's great for Boxing.
Everyone should support him , he's given us some great entertainment.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 08 May 2013, 05:28
by squared circle
Fury loses his '0' before he gets to Klit.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 08 May 2013, 06:51
by ILikeBeer
mrpedigree wrote:
Oh yeah ...because big tyson would be the type to be scared wouldnt he :roll: :lol:
Indecently Fury told everyone that Price would get KOed before they fought as he knew Prices jaw was mad of chocolate :OhYes: ...to bad that Price was further down that ranking level as if he wasn't it might of been Fury exposing Price with a cuff up the ear instead of an old man in Thompson :lol:
What the hell are you talking about? Price was mandatory challenger, Fury pulled out of the fight.

Fury dissing Price's chin has got nothing to do with it. All that means is Fury thought Price's chin was weak, and still didn't fight him.

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 08 May 2013, 07:55
by MEISINGER
Hardcase wrote:Tyson is his first name
Some things people end fixating on is really strange.
Fury is a great character , one that's great for Boxing.
Everyone should support him , he's given us some great entertainment.
i can't say enough good things about fury

he is the type of fighter that can get the entire world
interested in the heavyweight division

the guy is fun

Re: TYSON FURY VS KUBRAT PULEV NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN FOR IBF ELIMI?

Posted: 08 May 2013, 15:11
by followthecamel
I wonder what Tyson Fury's IQ is??