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DaveyMac wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Jim Brown supposedly got owned in a fight by actor Rod Taylor once. Rod had boxed when he was younger. Jim Brown was a talented back, but he wasn't an overly tough guy, just had an attitude.

Believe me Jim Brown was a tough guy. Talk to any football player from the '60's and they will all go on and on about how Jim Brown was the toughest, grittiest guy they ever played against or with. And this is the NFL of the '60's when play was very dirty and almost everything was legal. Even then Jim could not be phased.

He may or may not have been a great fighter if he'd chose to do so (my guess is if he had started right out of Syracuse he'd have been a contender in a few years) but the was definitely a tough guy.

I'm not saying he was a wimp. My dad is from Cleveland and grew up on Jim Brown. All the players then we're tough. But Jim Brown as the invincible tough guy fighter didn't exist...allegedly why Mike Lucci was traded...

Wilt Chamberlain beat Jim Brown in a foot race too (three times in a row I believe).

Brutu wrote:The Syracuse New York Boxing Promoter Norman Rothschild thought Jim Brown could have been.
(he had promoted most of Carmen Basilio's major fights).

Newspaper article from January 1964.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1J ... ,856779&dq

Yes, with six months training with the renowed Cus Damato, he would have won the HW championship of the world, unless Wilt Chamberlain happened to be HW champion at the time, then he wouldn't have stood a chance.

Page 17.. TUSCALOOSA NEWS.. Wednesday, October 27, 1965.. (on this thread) ... Jim Brown talked about Wilt Chamberlain wanting to fight Ali.

"With Chamberlain it certainly isn't a case of money. After all, you can only pay so many taxes. He has been criticized unjustly as a goon, but he knows, and I know, and most athletes know that he has exceptional ability -- and not just at Basketball. Wilt probably is the best all around athlete we have. He wants to prove his diversification. He talks like AT&T. One night at a party in Los Angeles, he challenged me to a race in the street then to hand wrestle. We took off our shoes and ran. I won't tell you who won because I am telling the story."

In his autobiography "Wilt" Chamberlain talks about that night at the party and beating Brown badly in a race.. In private conversation Wilt went deeper. He told Brown, "I would beat you so bad in a foot race" Brown didn't believe it and told Wilt "You give me a clear field, and nobody not even you, will catch me." They went out in the street but Brown didn't want to race in street shoes. He took off his shoes and made Wilt take his shoes off. Wilt said to Brown "Take off when you want to. I'll catch you." ... Brown got a big jump on the start, but Wilt sailed past him.. Brown then wanted to hand wrestle and was whipped again very easily.. Brown couldn't believe his strength.. That's where Jim Brown's documented opinion of Wilt Chamberlain being the best athlete comes from.

Rodman was better and more efficient.

And way weirder.

Are you just saying that to be stupid? ... Because that's the way you like to be? ... Who would trade prime Chamberlain for prime Rodman???

Kalan wrote:Are you just saying that to be stupid? ... Because that's the way you like to be? ... Who would trade prime Chamberlain for prime Rodman???

Click the link below.
Read it and weep Kado.

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Code name for Wilt....in this case is "Ancient History".

Buzz your stat freak admitted "I’m interested more in each player’s rebounding ability than in their overall value" ... He also points to numerous problems with his data analysis techniques, including the fact that Wilt played many more minutes.

And he admits Chamberlain's overall value was much higher.. In other words, Rodman's shooting, passing, assists, scoring, ball handling, and play-making skills were decidedly mediocre. Chamberlain was expected to perform in all areas. Rodman was a rebounding specialist and This bird admits Chamberlains' rebounding record of over 27 per game for a full 82 game season was never approached by Rodman who's best season was just over 16. Just say shooters in the 1960 were terrible doesn't make it so... Chamberlain frequently led the league in field goal percentage so games his t often had fewer rebounding opportunities than games Rodman played.. He didn't do those stats.

And I tell you where else his stats go wrong... If all you're good at is rebounding you don't have the responsibility to make plays, set screens, create assist opportunities and convert them. You'll be riding the bench when your team is 10 points behind with 5 minutes to play.. They need 5 scorers on the floor who can run, dribble, pass, and shoot the ball.. They need to get the ball in the hole and Rodman wasn't real good at that... That's why he didn't play nearly as many minutes as Wilt ... Get it???

God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

I'd always thought Wilt did do it. Whenever people look up and mention 'the big guy upstairs' I thought they meant Chamberlain.

Tomasino wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

I'd always thought Wilt did do it. Whenever people look up and mention 'the big guy upstairs' I thought they meant Chamberlain.

Tomasino wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

I'd always thought Wilt did do it. Whenever people look up and mention 'the big guy upstairs' I thought they meant Chamberlain.

Here's a revelation for you... God created Wilt Chamberlain... just like he created you and me... God created the great and the small... God created the big and the tall... God created the tiny and lowly... God created the wicked and holy... God created the heavens above... God created a thing called shove...it up your ass that is... We're talking about a boxing match between 2 athletes -- not about the being who fashioned the galaxies and projected them billions of light years into space in every direction---while simultaneously creating the nuclear world and piecing together subatomic particles so minute we haven't discovered them yet... If you could grasp how great God is you'd actually be a smart person.

Albert Einstein..., "The whole of humanity working together couldn't create a mosquito in a thousand years. Because a mosquito is more complex and intricate than we could ever manage to make a copy of"

Kalan wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

I'd always thought Wilt did do it. Whenever people look up and mention 'the big guy upstairs' I thought they meant Chamberlain.

Here's a revelation for you... God created Wilt Chamberlain... just like he created you and me... God created the great and the small... God created the big and the tall... God created the tiny and lowly... God created the wicked and holy... God created the heavens above... God created a thing called shove...it up your ass that is... We're talking about a boxing match between 2 athletes -- not about the being who fashioned the galaxies and projected them billions of light years into space in every direction---while simultaneously creating the nuclear world and piecing together subatomic particles so minute we haven't discovered them yet... If you could grasp how great God is you'd actually be a smart person.

God invented shoving it up your ass? Is God aware you are going around spreading this scurrilous story about him?

You'd best get Wilt to put in a good word for you, because God can be a vindictive little bugger when roused.

He's tough, too. With six months training I have no doubt God could have knocked out Clyde Lovellette, and he once made Satan pee his hairy legs in fear.

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

Absolute bullsh1t. No way in the world that happens. Stop being silly. Give your head a shake. Wilt played video games, so he could have done it in 3 days.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

Absolute bullsh1t. No way in the world that happens. Stop being silly. Give your head a shake. Wilt played video games, so he could have done it in 3 days.

Three days; why so long?

With Cus D'amato on board, he could have done it 18 hours, with no sleep & whist boning 22 different women!

What a guy!

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keithmoonhangover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:God created the Universe in 6 days. Wilt could've done it in 4. That's how Tall and Athletic he was.

Absolute bullsh1t. No way in the world that happens. Stop being silly. Give your head a shake. Wilt played video games, so he could have done it in 3 days.

Three days; why so long?

With Cus D'amato on board, he could have done it 18 hours, with no sleep & whist boning 22 different women!

What a guy!

.....and beat Ali, Louis and Dempsey on his lunch break.

Bottom line.. Brown wasn't the athlete Wilt was and admitted it... 7-footers are usually slow... Kareem Abdul Jabbar competed in Super Stars and he did terrible in the 100-meter dash... I think he got last place in his heat... He also did poorly in about everything else.

The Superstars Competition? You are using that as an argument?
Joe Frazier almost drowned in a swimming race. Does that he mean he was a bad athlete?

Jim Brown was a phenomenal athlete. However, like Wilt Chamberlain he was a not a boxer.

Kalan wrote:Bottom line.. Brown wasn't the athlete Wilt was and admitted it... 7-footers are usually slow... Kareem Abdul Jabbar competed in Super Stars and he did terrible in the 100-meter dash... I think he got last place in his heat... He also did poorly in about everything else.

How did Wilt do? Undefeated?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Absolute bullsh1t. No way in the world that happens. Stop being silly. Give your head a shake. Wilt played video games, so he could have done it in 3 days.

Three days; why so long?

With Cus D'amato on board, he could have done it 18 hours, with no sleep & whist boning 22 different women!

What a guy!

.....and beat Ali, Louis and Dempsey on his lunch break.

Wilt could dunk the ball from the free throw line whilst those three juniors were hanging onto him.

Ambling Alp II wrote:The Superstars Competition? You are using that as an argument?
Joe Frazier almost drowned in a swimming race. Does that he mean he was a bad athlete?

Jim Brown was a phenomenal athlete. However, like Wilt Chamberlain he was a not a boxer.

You can learn how to swim competitively at a world class level as easily as you can learn how to box... Those other athletes weren't swimming competitors either, but they all hired swimming coaches in the weeks before the competition... Frazier hired a swimming coach too -- but he was a very slow learner... He' was the worst competitive swimmer I've ever seen... All the other athletes were joke swimmers as well -- because they only had a few weeks to learn how to swim competitively... You need a good 4 or 5 months of swimming to reach 95% of your potential.

Here's Joe Frazier competing in the swimming event.. Introductions start at 0:22/5:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

apparently wilt could run the 100 metres in 3.8 seconds - he once challenged 1968 olympic sprint champ jim hines to a race over 80 yards and was so convinced he could beat hines that he offered to run in ski's - hines laughed and said "ok lets do it" - the look on Hines's face was priceless as he found wilt waiting at the finish line calmly removing his ski's

Jim Brown could run a 9.8 in the hundred yard dash.

Jim Brown was blazing fast... That's why he "knew" he'd beat Chamberlain. He was determined to beat him just for bragging rights.. He never dreamed Wilt would catch him.. But Chamberlain was injury free and running really well.. He had an explosive start, but a great burst at about 30 yards where he'd sift into another gear... which is something he couldn't use on the basketball court because it's too short.. He blew past Brown. Chamberlain's favorite sprint was the 440 or 400 meter.. "You feel like a horse running around the track.. The other sprinters are hating you. You can feel it. There's the back stretch where you scope out the field and start positioning yourself.. You kick it up like crazy coming around the far turn and into the straight, and you blow the field away and thunder past the line as the crowd screams like idiots. The adrenaline rush is unbelievable if you win. Most of the time I did." Did you ever lose? "Let's not talk about that"