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Counter-puncher wrote:

WelshJack wrote:If Groves sticks to a gameplan he wins, he has a speed advantage in my opinion and he could jab his way to the title.

this idea that a 'gameplan' can win it for him befuddles me. (never mind the fact that Froch himself totally outjabbed an accomplished (at world level) jabber in Kessler, as opposed to Groves who jabbed a Panamanian taxi driver in the face, once, I think it was in 2012)

in another forum life, i recall one poster banging on and on about how 'all you need to beat Mayweather is a good gameplan'

thats an extreme and silly example, maybe, but to those of you thinking/assuming Groves has the right gameplan (and I'm not sure the 'usual' smash n grab raid of Team Booth IS the right one, here) surely you have to appreciate what happens to people with gameplans when they get, umm, punched really hard in the face?

the question isn't whether Groves is 'disciplined' enough to 'stick to' the gameplan. I'm sure he'll be running for his life as per Booth's instructions.

the question is, is he good enough and experienced enough to pull it off?

what happens when he's trapped on the ropes? my guess is he gets to experience a little bit of what fvcked Bute's career in the ass.

Ben Carey wrote:Smart money is on Froch, the value undoubtedly is in Groves.

expe wrote:Don't understand how anyone could think Groves has no chance, Mayweather or the Klitschko's aside, in what other fight between 2 of the top 10 does one fighter have no chance? Froch can be hurt and can be outboxed, that's been shown in the past by Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler and Ward.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

expe wrote:Don't understand how anyone could think Groves has no chance, Mayweather or the Klitschko's aside, in what other fight between 2 of the top 10 does one fighter have no chance? Froch can be hurt and can be outboxed, that's been shown in the past by Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler and Ward.

Ward and Dirrell are slicksters, the type that frustrates Froch and the type Groves is not. Taylor is better than Groves will ever be, and Kessler had to go through hell to beat him and was hardly outboxing him, it was toe to toe, nip and tuck and Kessler edged it with a herculean effort in a razor-thin fight. All these guys are sterner propositions than George Groves who has a leaky defence, questionable chin, doesn't really have a win to prove he belongs at world level and has never faced a challenge close to this before.

orbtastic wrote:Taylor? You mean Kessler?

I'd personally like to see Groves in with Kessler, that would be a good barometer fight.

columbo wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Taylor? You mean Kessler?

I'd personally like to see Groves in with Kessler, that would be a good barometer fight.

I dont think you can mistake Taylor and Kessler to be honest.

palooka wrote:

columbo wrote:

orbtastic wrote:Taylor? You mean Kessler?

I'd personally like to see Groves in with Kessler, that would be a good barometer fight.

I dont think you can mistake Taylor and Kessler to be honest.

I bet you could

Counter-puncher wrote:what happens when he's trapped on the ropes? my guess is he gets to experience a little bit of what fvcked Bute's career in the ass.

palooka wrote:

Deserter wrote:

stevieb_8006 wrote:im surprised so many people think groves jab is gona be the difference. carls used the jab brilliantly in the past (vs AA, the last Kessler fight etc). And hes got quite the reach advantage in this 1 I believe.

I think people forget that Carl was one of our best amateur boxers of recent times - you don't win a world champs bronze and two ABA titles without being able to box a bit.

He boxed quite similar to how he does now though, he's obviously had good physical advantages (garnered through hard training and discipline); it's not as though he used an upright, classical style with a jab and a one two as an amateur and altered his style massively as a pro. I don't think that we'll see a sudden deterioration in his skills or fitness as he is so focused but I think his chin will crack, his defense is not amazing and he has had some serious whacks in his time; they will catch up and Groves hits as hard as anyone in the division.

Scrap wrote:I can see Froch getting Sparked.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Scrap wrote:I can see Froch getting Sparked.

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Scrap wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Scrap wrote:I can see Froch getting Sparked.

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I can, over the last year Groves has developed His Man Strength. and Fights with improvement, in the Pocket, Plus He can change Range quicker, plus His Posture has improved giving Him a better range of movement and Hitting Harder.

mickey1975 wrote:Froch has an elite chin, there is no doubt about it, but people are going on like its impossible to hurt him. Taylor dropped him like a sack of spuds, but perhaps more tellingly, Kessler shook him to his boots in the 11th of their last fight. If Groves catches him with a shot like he hit Smith with, he will go. Wether he gets up again or not is a different question.

columbo wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Froch has an elite chin, there is no doubt about it, but people are going on like its impossible to hurt him. Taylor dropped him like a sack of spuds, but perhaps more tellingly, Kessler shook him to his boots in the 11th of their last fight. If Groves catches him with a shot like he hit Smith with, he will go. Wether he gets up again or not is a different question.

I dunno. Froch isnt Smith. Whilst Kessler did rock Froch in the 11th he recovered very quickly. In regards to Taylor, his power is underrated I think. Pavlik only went down once in his career and that was also to Taylor and he'd been in with Miranda when he was in his prime.

columbo wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Froch has an elite chin, there is no doubt about it, but people are going on like its impossible to hurt him. Taylor dropped him like a sack of spuds, but perhaps more tellingly, Kessler shook him to his boots in the 11th of their last fight. If Groves catches him with a shot like he hit Smith with, he will go. Wether he gets up again or not is a different question.

I dunno. Froch isnt Smith. Whilst Kessler did rock Froch in the 11th he recovered very quickly.

Deserter wrote:

columbo wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:Froch has an elite chin, there is no doubt about it, but people are going on like its impossible to hurt him. Taylor dropped him like a sack of spuds, but perhaps more tellingly, Kessler shook him to his boots in the 11th of their last fight. If Groves catches him with a shot like he hit Smith with, he will go. Wether he gets up again or not is a different question.

I dunno. Froch isnt Smith. Whilst Kessler did rock Froch in the 11th he recovered very quickly.

Exactly. Most who get hit with Kessler's right hand never recover, so if anything it was further testament to Carl's durability.