Has latest stiff for Hatton been announced yet?

big lennox · Post by **big lennox** » 21 Apr 2004, 09:02

J wrote:eff me we agree
I am looking forward to sats fight tho, could be a good one.
Sprotts superior boxing vs Skletons superior strength.
could be a Brit classic.

I think Sprott should prove to well schooled a fighter, but his chin is not the most reliable and if Skelton catches with a few he might go.I think it will be a good fight though and good luck to both of them; they seem decent guys.

J · Post by J » 21 Apr 2004, 09:09

soprry mate added the reply to the lennox q in the previous post, yeah I still think Sprott has enough to do it. I dont think Skelton punches as hard as people make out, he overwhelms opponents with volumes of punches never a clean KO if you see what I mean.
Throws arm punches as is the thai style, more square on and he loses a lot of the natural strength he has by doing so.
Ive stated in other threads that thats typical to thai boxing due to the involvement and importance of the legs in the Thai hybrid, thats where Skeltons background is, and while undeniably a big hard bastard its whether sprott can stick the technique and use his naturally better Marquis of Queensbury style to out box Skelton.
He needs to keep skelton off him for a few rounds tho, keep him on the end of that Jab, Im not convinced bout big Matt's stamina even tho francis took him the distance I dunno, just feel rounds six on are made for the much younger (than francis) Mike Sprott.

sprott UD/ late ko.

big lennox · Post by **big lennox** » 21 Apr 2004, 09:19

Absolutely.He boxed 12 rounds against a fairly static Francis and I think Sprott will make him work.Also, sprott punches harder than people think.As for Skelton, you can see that he still has a lot of thai boxing style in him.

Regarding Emmanuel Steward.I think he has been very disloyal critising Lennox like this, something I though he would never be.Whilst, I agree, and hope, that history will judge lennox well, I just can't understand how people don't rate him now.What more could he have done.

I get the impression that even if had beaten a prime Tyson, Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, he still would'nt get the credit.For some reason, you are not allowed to be better than the fighters of the 70's or the Joe Louis's.I think Lenoox would have bested them all.

J · Post by J » 21 Apr 2004, 09:26

agree re steward and Sprott, as for lennox I dunno mate, its a big call.
I dont like to compare fighters accross too many era's as its a different game now, they are much bigger have different training available.
I mean its a bit like saying Was Carl lewis better than Jesse owens?
Well he ran faster but would have Jesse been better with the training etc, defintiely, probably, maybe, not aaah feck it I dunno!!!!!! its a futile argument I fear but a fun one if you have a few days hahaha.

I dunno he is defo top five in my list but he is from my time, talk to my old man and he wont have a word against ali, talk to other its holmes other Louis, others marciano......its a how long is a piece of string arument.

But for me due to the way he fused the heavies in what was a pool of piss around him at times, makes him one of the best and venerable champs without doubt in my view.

big lennox · Post by **big lennox** » 21 Apr 2004, 09:33

J wrote:agree re steward and Sprott, as for lennox I dunno mate, its a big call.
I dont like to compare fighters accross too many era's as its a different game now, they are much bigger have different training available.
I mean its a bit like saying Was Carl lewis better than Jesse owens?
Well he ran faster but would have Jesse been better with the training etc, defintiely, probably, maybe, not aaah feck it I dunno!!!!!! its a futile argument I fear but a fun one if you have a few days hahaha.

I dunno he is defo top five in my list but he is from my time, talk to my old man and he wont have a word against ali, talk to other its holmes other Louis, others marciano......its a how long is a piece of string arument.

But for me due to the way he fused the heavies in what was a pool of piss around him at times, makes him one of the best and venerable champs without doubt in my view.

I can apreciate your point totaly.It is a very valid one at that.My only grumble, is, I suppose with the american journalists, who just don't want to acknowledge him.When Lennox was 'on', he was really something, and he genuingly wanted to fight the best.This says much about his character.

Incidently, my dad won't have a bad word said about Ali as well.

J · Post by J » 21 Apr 2004, 09:37

well we all know the hweiht champ of the world should be american tho.

I dont mean that in a bad way to our US friends, just some did hate it that Lennox was the champ and the fact that was English, yes English born in East ham all!
But now he is gone and on venture the A train towards its inevitable summit as the NEW......

well thats a bit ott maybe but fingers crossed it might happen, please excuse my nationlistic pride but In lennox we truly did have someone to be proud of.

And we will in hatton too, geting back tto thread after our little diversion into a "shrine to Lennox"

big lennox · Post by **big lennox** » 21 Apr 2004, 09:53

We truely did have someone to be proud of.I liked Lennox on a personal level as well.I think Hatton is capable of being world class, but needs to be pushed in that direction soon.I am tired of seeing him with the pederson's of the world.As for Junior, I am just very upset for him that he has not been given his chance.I truely think he would beat Hatton and a lot of the top 10 out there as well.I hope/expect that they will both make it, but I must say that I am not overly keen on Hatton's promters fo4r two reasons; the way they treat their fighters, and sometimes con the public.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 21 Apr 2004, 10:43

Hatton vs TBA

The Bum Again

J · Post by J » 21 Apr 2004, 11:13

lets see first fellas B4 judging too harshly. Plus B.len Pederson was fcuking admirable that night I wont hear a word against him I was there a few rows back and the beating he took for the sake of pride and bravery in the name of boxing was tremendous. Theres a difference from getting ko'd and having your ribs smashed in as Pederson was, he fought a very brave fight is no bum and gave spadafora fits mate. Agreed he wasnt the best out there but at 48 hrs notice he was brilliant.
and I mean that most sincerely he fought on when he didnt have to, please dont call him a bum was one of the bravest performances from someone who was totally outgunned I have seen in a while.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 21 Apr 2004, 17:59

Considering Witter came in as a late replacement against Judah, He did well enough to impress me.
No one trash talks more than Frankie,

Leija was offered peanuts & the press was told he turned the offer down even though Leija said put up the money.

What Frank doesn’t get is…Leija is a proven top name fighter.

U don’t dictate to the big boys, they don’t need Hatton cause he's only big in Britain.

So U think Witter has done f*ck all for over two years.
And-who-was-his-manager?

At least he won the British & Commonwealth titles
which are more respected internationally than the paper World Bums Union title .

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 04:02

sorry blue I refuse to discuss hatton with you mate not being rude but Ive tried before but its plain you cant stand him, fair enough, but if you cant see his level of opponents is higher than those posted previously of witter's then Im very surprised a man of your supposed knowledge makes it to editor.
I agree hatton should now be stepping up his opponents but it wasnt his fault pinto didnt show, everyone is carrying on like Hatton is shit and is ducking everyone. Its getting more than a little tiresome.
He has fought better men thatn witter over the past 2 years look at the frikkin records, pederson is miles better than anyone witter has fought and he was a late sub. (and did admirably I hasten to add)
So get off hattons case, he will come through with the big fights he is 25 and while I appreciate his style isnt condusive to a long life in the ring he still has 3 years at least at his peak, thats hell of a lot of fights.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 22 Apr 2004, 04:22

J,
How can u keep putting Hatton on a pedastal when he has had 35 fights and has still not fought a top fighter, He had the chance to fight Ndou who is far from top 5 but still a step up but instead the much more experienced Cotto

is fighting him. I think that Hatton is a good fighter and exciting to watch but he is far from world class and will never prove it unless he changes managers.
At least Witter had the balls to fight Judah on short notice and went the distance, Regardless of who has fought the better opposition at least Witter wants to fight Hatton.
Until all you Hatton fans realise you are being fed bullshit he will continue to fight bums and eventually grow old and it will be to late for a title shot. Surely 30 odd fights is enough to be fighting for a Title.

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 04:32

firstly Tackie Phillips and pederson are not bums pal. and thats a shit expression. :x

Dude I take your point and to an extent agree but lets look at the facts here:

there are so many hatton haters on here due to his alignemnt with SN, that they are actually supporting Witter, a man who bottled against pinto, who ran like a child against judah and ignoring the FACTS. Tackie phillips and even late sub pederson are better quality opposition than Witter has fought int he past two years.

But so they can knock Ricky they support Witter. Bollox.

Cotto finally has signed to fight a welterweight and everyone loves him up, come on the guy has beating lightweight and doesnt get criticised but hatton does? Wheres the consistency here?
Most the peopel on here think Cotto is gonna be the next sugar ray apparently, check his use of his right its almost non existent that will be exposed I feel in time against the top boys. But no-one picks up on this...cos cotto is the new star hmmm. we will see, his attributes are very plain for all to see but his deficiencies may not be.

I agree hatton needs to step it up, Im totally with everyone on this, all Im asking is for people to stop slating him when

1. we dont even know who is next opponent is yet

2. He was gonna fight Pinto a real live fight that witter didnt want uintil pinto dropped out thats not hattons fault. So why big up witter?

3. he may be in his 35th fight but so what? If he goes on in the next years and claims a decent belt or fights top 5 people and defends the title for say 7-8 fights against top contenders he will be one of the all time great brits, you dont know whats in the pipeline and what the hatton camp are thinking. Bloke is only 25.
Some careers do take a high learning curve then a slight stagnation then another push, this is what is happening with hatton.

I dont mind people having a go about the level of opponent hatton is fighting and on the whole I agree but be FAIR AND CONSISTENT to suggest or insinuate Witter has fought a better level of opponent in the past two years is ignorant and laughable.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 22 Apr 2004, 05:14

I wouldnt be surprised if the fight or show does not happen.

How can Warren put Hatton, Calzaghe and Glen Johnson on the same bill without TV money?

Surely, it cant happen.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Apr 2004, 05:37

knockout artist wrote:I wouldnt be surprised if the fight or show does not happen.

How can Warren put Hatton, Calzaghe and Glen Johnson on the same bill without TV money?

Surely, it cant happen.

Well I'd imagine he gets a fair whack from Sky, plus the usual Hatton sell out crowd. I think the show will defintely go ahead.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Apr 2004, 05:42

J wrote: 1. we dont even know who is next opponent is yet

You're very optimistic aren't you J? Rest assured it'll be a dud opponent - you should know the drill by now!

And just because the Dane was brave shouldn't let Warren off the hook.
He fed Hatton yet another light punching lightweight, who had next to no chance of winning. And this crap is billed as a world title?!

When 40 year old Phillips came over, who did Warren have on stand by?
You got it, Rios - another lightweight.

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 06:01

true MW I dont disagree but you have to admit there are unfair inconsistencies in some arguments here.

Why is everyone suddenly shouting for witter? the ante hero I suppose.

Just seems weird to me that people apply one rule to Cotto / Witter and another to hatton. (is ndou any better than tackie debatable!)

Just arguing for consistency not condoning Hattons choice of opponent, i want to see him prove himself as much as the next man.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 22 Apr 2004, 07:02

I certainly aint shouting for Witter.

I feel he has done nowt to really warrant a fight with Hatton, and if talk won you titles, he would be the p4p number 1 of the world.

What people are tired of his Hatton not really progressing like he should be. I've been very supportive of Hatton in the past, and will always argue his cause when it comes to Witter, but if hattons next opponnent is not someone decent, then he is going to start losing support from people like myself.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 22 Apr 2004, 07:04

J wrote:Just seems weird to me that people apply one rule to Cotto / Witter and another to hatton. (is ndou any better than tackie debatable!)

Just arguing for consistency not condoning Hattons choice of opponent, i want to see him prove himself as much as the next man.

Exactly. I was arguing exactly the same over on Eastside myself. And as for the claim made earlier in the thread that Witter would KO Judah if they fought now...

Somebody needs to wake up and smell the coffee!

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 07:04

Twinkle Toes wrote:I certainly aint shouting for Witter.

I feel he has done nowt to really warrant a fight with Hatton, and if talk won you titles, he would be the p4p number 1 of the world.

What people are tired of his Hatton not really progressing like he should be. I've been very supportive of Hatton in the past, and will always argue his cause when it comes to Witter, but if hattons next opponnent is not someone decent, then he is going to start losing support from people like myself.

thank you, and I agree.

knockout artist · Post by **knockout artist** » 22 Apr 2004, 07:06

J wrote:
Twinkle Toes wrote:I certainly aint shouting for Witter.

I feel he has done nowt to really warrant a fight with Hatton, and if talk won you titles, he would be the p4p number 1 of the world.

What people are tired of his Hatton not really progressing like he should be. I've been very supportive of Hatton in the past, and will always argue his cause when it comes to Witter, but if hattons next opponnent is not someone decent, then he is going to start losing support from people like myself.
thank you, and I agree.

Quite. Witter has beaten NO ONE.

He's riding along on a loss to Zab Judah when he ran like a thief. Big Deal.

Anyway, Hatton would spark Witter.

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 07:10

knockout artist wrote:
J wrote:
Twinkle Toes wrote:I certainly aint shouting for Witter.

I feel he has done nowt to really warrant a fight with Hatton, and if talk won you titles, he would be the p4p number 1 of the world.

What people are tired of his Hatton not really progressing like he should be. I've been very supportive of Hatton in the past, and will always argue his cause when it comes to Witter, but if hattons next opponnent is not someone decent, then he is going to start losing support from people like myself.
thank you, and I agree.

Quite. Witter has beaten NO ONE.

He's riding along on a loss to Zab Judah when he ran like a thief. Big Deal.

Anyway, Hatton would spark Witter.

thank god for that I was starting to wonder if everyone had gone mad and had no sense of justice or fairness....I should have had more faith

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Apr 2004, 07:14

Couldn't agree more.

Witter has become the poster boy for Hatton haters everywhere, his best wins are a 6 rounder of Jan Bergman early in his career, and Giuseppe Lauri.

People harp on..'yeah, but he went the distance as a late sub against Judah...'

Great, I'm sure Linford Christie could have gone 12 rounds too....

J · Post by J » 22 Apr 2004, 07:17

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Couldn't agree more.

Witter has become the poster boy for Hatton haters everywhere, his best wins are a 6 rounder of Jan Bergman early in his career, and Giuseppe Lauri.

People harp on..'yeah, but he went the distance as a late sub against Judah...'

Great, I'm sure Linford Christie could have gone 12 rounds too....

my sanity is restored..was starting to chew my mousemat haha

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 22 Apr 2004, 07:17

Are we talking about a drugged up older Christie or the Christie that won in Barcelona?