2013 Elite Mens World Championships Almaty Kazakhstan

[Mighty Atom]

This championship proves that pro-style scoring doesn't work in 3 round amateur bouts.
There were complaints about decision at the Olympics but they;re been so many fights where the home favourite or seeded boxer has won a ridiculous decision.
Bring back the computers.

[mike222]

Quarter Finals Afternoon Session
49KGS
Birzhan Zhakipov KAZ dec Anthony Chacon PUR 90-81
Yosvani Veitia CUB dec Manuel Cappai ITA 86-85
David Jimenez COS dec Kim Inkyu KOR 86-82
Mohamed Flissi ALG dec Patrick Lourenco BRA 88-83
56KGS
Mykola Butsenko KOR dec Selcuk Eker TUR 86-82
Vladimir Nikitin RUS dec Michael Conlan IRE 89-82
Kairat Eraliyev KAZ dec Robeisis Ramirez CUB 87-84
Javid Chelebiyev AZE dec Shiva Thapa IND 90-81
64KGS
Everton Lopes BRA dec Evaldas Petrauskas LTU 85-85
Merey Ashkalov KAZ dec Ermek Sakenov KGZ 90-78
Yasnier Lopez CUB dec Manoj Kumar IND 89-81
Uranchimeg Munkh-Erdene MGL dec Sanjarbek Rakhmanov UZB 87-84
75KGS
Zhanibek Alimkhanuly KAZ dec Bogdan Juratoni ROM 87-84
Anthony Fowler ENG dec Stefan Haertel GER 85-86
Artem Chebotarev RUS TKO1 Azizbek Abdugofurov CUT EYE
Jason Quigley IRE dec Zoltan Harcsa HUN 90-81
91KGS
Teymur Mammadov AZE dec Erislandi Savon CUB 85-86
Clemente Russo ITA dec Marko Calic CRO 89-82
Evgeni Tishcenko RUS dec Rustam Tulagonov UZB 90-81
Yamil Peralta ARG dec Thomas McCarthy IRE 88-83
Surprise medal for Anthony Fowler in a really diverse morning of boxing.
Savon,Ramirez and Petrauskas looked hard done by with Richie Woodhall highly critical of the decisions.I taped them and will watch again.

[mike222]

Ramirez will have to adapt his style.At the Olympics he would spend the first round working out his opponent and then dominating the other rounds.He could lose the first round there but outscore his opponent overall.On the 10 must system you really cant lose the first round and thats what happened here.He lost the first, clearly won the second and IMO the third.
The judges disagreed on the third and gave it to Eraliyev.
Ramirez must start faster in future.
What upset Woodhall was that the judges seemed to value aggression in that fight but not in the Petrauskas bout.He was gobsmacked by the Savon decision and I agree.Savon has had no luck-I felt he did enough to beat Joshua at the Olympics.

[locoxelbox]

The Savon robbery was so disgraceful it makes me so angry. He won all three rounds without any doubt. Mammadov didn´t do anything of note in the first two rounds and in the last when he did connect some he got punished against the ropes hard several times. I have seen it twice and I cannot understand how the English judge could give Mammadov the first two rounds when he barely threw any punsch. And how the other judge could give the last round to Mammadov when he almost got his head knocked off is just crazy.

[tflanagan5]

The Cubans must definetly be appealling the Savon fight, it wasnt even close. The two judges who scored it to Mammadov should be struck off. The aggression thing gets me too sometimes it seems to be all there looking for and other times its totally ignored. Wouldnt be surprised is Kazakhtan win 6 gold at this rate

[moorser]

The Cubans must definetly be appealling the Savon fight, it wasnt even close. The two judges who scored it to Mammadov should be struck off. The aggression thing gets me too sometimes it seems to be all there looking for and other times its totally ignored. Wouldnt be surprised is Kazakhtan win 6 gold at this rate

AIBA needs to be investigated for corruption there is no doubt brown emvelopes being passed about by certain nations namley Kazachstan and Azerbaijan .

[locoxelbox]

Ramirez will have to adapt his style.At the Olympics he would spend the first round working out his opponent and then dominating the other rounds.He could lose the first round there but outscore his opponent overall.On the 10 must system you really cant lose the first round and thats what happened here.He lost the first, clearly won the second and IMO the third.
The judges disagreed on the third and gave it to Eraliyev.
Ramirez must start faster in future.
What upset Woodhall was that the judges seemed to value aggression in that fight but not in the Petrauskas bout.He was gobsmacked by the Savon decision and I agree.Savon has had no luck-I felt he did enough to beat Joshua at the Olympics.

I agree completely. To me Ramirez did too little too late. He won the last round but gave away the first and the kazakh boxed well in the second. He did the same thing when he lost to Misha Aloyan at the last Worlds. With the new system you cannot take any chances. That´s why I don´t understand some cuban boxers are content to move and occasionally score. It´s obvious not all judges favor that type of boxing. In the evening session the cuban boxers were more active and won.

[moorser]

donnellon; Have you ever tried keeping a Talented USA kid in the Gym these days?
Have you ever tried talking some sense into them?
Have you ever seen them hungry enough to try and better them selves without hitting the streets as the answer?
Have you ever been able to keep their attention in the gym without them stoppong to text message or answer a call they get or play videos?
Have you ever tried to keep them from hanging out with bad influence persons?
Have you ever tried keeping them from the next dateing friend?
I don't think many other countries around the world has as much freedom as the US for kids to get lost in. Kids are spoiled these days even the poor and homeless in America.
I have been in boxing since the 60's to date and it seems every ten years this situation gets worse for amateur boxing.
The streets are winning the battle for these kids. SAD SAD

How do you explain Usa having 6 boxers in Pros the best on planet in their weight class? Hopkins,Ward,Mayweather,Bradley, Danny Garcia and Mikey Garcia are all the very best on the planet and only 1 of them was the best in the very suspect international Amatuer game.

Ireland have a good amateur programme and reward their am fighters well. They, like India too, seem to groom their fighters for the amateur system it must be said. The US seems to have a different approach. They seem to have an eye on the longer game, its clear as day that the US produce better pro's than ams. I mean, how many Irish and Inidan world titlists do you ever see? Barely even see challengers from these nations let alone dominant champions.

Ireland have plenty of good pros but a very small amount of pro shows, its true the Americans have much better pros but that to be expected with the size difference. Irelands amateur system is the envy of many nations no doubt but we have some decent pros like Carl Frampton, Jamie Kavanagh, Ryan Burnett, Andy Lee just to name a handful.

[JMac]

" 317 million people and the US cannot produce better boxers? Something is seriously wrong."
Ireland has 5 through with 4 and a bit million souls...............

Don't know the Usa men's team but know the Jr team well. Usa Jr team had at least 6 boxers make it to final 16 at World Championships, with 2 boxers only 15 and one only 14 , and was victim of extreme bias judging in final 16 costing Team more medals.Us women's Jr and Youth won 4 Golds at World Championships and sum other medals. Don't know what the case is with men team Usa but do know that Usa is not the most liked country on planet.

The trick is keeping these kids in the gym and boxing as amateurs. Too many turn pro too early or quit the game for many different reasons.

[JMac]

This championship proves that pro-style scoring doesn't work in 3 round amateur bouts.
There were complaints about decision at the Olympics but they;re been so many fights where the home favourite or seeded boxer has won a ridiculous decision.
Bring back the computers.

The home nation syndrome is always in play for all high level tournaments. Go back and look at results of past Olympics and world championships for starters....the home country always gets more medals than they normally do. I think it has something to do with the judging in that the officials usually get treated well at tournaments and they feel bad to go against the home country plus the home country will always have more fans and the judges don't want to piss them off.

[JMac]

How do you explain Usa having 6 boxers in Pros the best on planet in their weight class? Hopkins,Ward,Mayweather,Bradley, Danny Garcia and Mikey Garcia are all the very best on the planet and only 1 of them was the best in the very suspect international Amatuer game.

Ireland have a good amateur programme and reward their am fighters well. They, like India too, seem to groom their fighters for the amateur system it must be said. The US seems to have a different approach. They seem to have an eye on the longer game, its clear as day that the US produce better pro's than ams. I mean, how many Irish and Inidan world titlists do you ever see? Barely even see challengers from these nations let alone dominant champions.

Ireland have plenty of good pros but a very small amount of pro shows, its true the Americans have much better pros but that to be expected with the size difference. Irelands amateur system is the envy of many nations no doubt but we have some decent pros like Carl Frampton, Jamie Kavanagh, Ryan Burnett, Andy Lee just to name a handful.

Ireland and England both have a great high performance program that the US would be smart to emulate.

[locoxelbox]

What a fight between Alexander Besputin, Russia and Gabriel Maestre, Venezuela! The russian has been one of the most impressive in the tournament and was also in this fight, until he got hit with a great left hook at the end of the first and took some time to recover. Maestre gave the russian two standing eights in the second round before Besputin came back. In the last he was chasing Maestre but got nailed again at the end. Great win for Maestre.

[tflanagan5]

The Cubans must definetly be appealling the Savon fight, it wasnt even close. The two judges who scored it to Mammadov should be struck off. The aggression thing gets me too sometimes it seems to be all there looking for and other times its totally ignored. Wouldnt be surprised is Kazakhtan win 6 gold at this rate

AIBA needs to be investigated for corruption there is no doubt brown emvelopes being passed about by certain nations namley Kazachstan and Azerbaijan .

There had to be something going on because no one in there right mind would have taught Mammadov won the fight. You wonder what Savon must be thinking he outboxes Joshua at the olympics and gets robbed now he gets robbed at the worlds, if he was from any other country rather than Cuba he would probebly go pro now in disgust

[mike222]

Remaining Quarter Finals
52KGS
Andrew Selby WAL dec Ilyes Suleymenov KAZ-very close 86-85
Jasurbek Latipov UZB dec Paddy Barnes IRE 85-80
Chatchai Butdee THA dec Elvin Mamishadze AZE 87-83
Mischa Aloyan RUS dec Shahriyor Akhmedov 90-81
60KGS
Berik Abdaakhmanov KAZ dec Luis Arcon VEN 86-85
Lazaro Alvarez CUB dec Sailom Ardee THA 90-80
Gabriel Maestre VEN dec Alexander Besputin RUS 89-82
Arinoides Despaigne CUB dec Aram Amirkhanyan ARM 90-78
81KGS
Joe Ward IRE TKO1 Nikita Ivanov RUS CUT
Jukio Cesar Da Cruz CUB dec Abdelhafid Benchabla ARG 90-81
Adilbek Niyazimbetov KAZ dec Sumit Sangwan IND 89-82
Oybek Mamazulonov UZB dec Peter Mullenberg HOL 89-83
+91KGS
Erik Pfeiffer GER dec Egor Plevako UKR
Ivan Dychko KAZ W/O Satish Kumar IND
Magomed Medshidov AZE dec Magomed Omarov RUS 87-84
Robert Cammarelle ITA dec Filip Hrgovic CRO 90-81
Rest Day tomorrow.Semis on Friday

[Mighty Atom]

This championship proves that pro-style scoring doesn't work in 3 round amateur bouts.
There were complaints about decision at the Olympics but they;re been so many fights where the home favourite or seeded boxer has won a ridiculous decision.
Bring back the computers.

The home nation syndrome is always in play for all high level tournaments. Go back and look at results of past Olympics and world championships for starters....the home country always gets more medals than they normally do. I think it has something to do with the judging in that the officials usually get treated well at tournaments and they feel bad to go against the home country plus the home country will always have more fans and the judges don't want to piss them off.

Agree with you to an extent but it's a hell of a lot easier to make sure you get the "right" winner if it's one move of a judge's pen that decides.
I remember Olympics from the 70s and 80s where the decisions were a million times worse than ones with computer scoring.
It looks we're going back 30 years to those days.

[mike222]

Semi Finals first session
49KGS
Birzhan Zhakipov KAZ dec Yosvani Veitia CUB 90-81
Mohamed Flissi ALG dec David Jimenez COS 90-81
56KGS
Cavid Chelebiyev AZE dec Kairat Eraliyev KAZ 86-85
Vlaimir Nikitin RUS dec Mykola Butsenko UKR 87-84
64KGS
Merey Ashkalov KAZ dec Everton Lopez BRA 87-84
Yasnier Toledo Lopez CUB dec Uranchimeg Munkh-Erdene MGL 90-81
75KGS
Jason Quigley IRE dec Artem Chebotarev RUS 89-82
Zhanibek Alimkhanuly KAZ W/O Anthony Fowler ENG-Hand Injury
91KGS
Clemente Russo ITA dec Teymur Mammadov AZE 90-81
Evgeni Tishcenko RUS dec Yamil Peralta ARG 87-84

[tflanagan5]

Selbys out, lost a split decision

[mike222]

Evening Session
52KGS
Jasurbek Latipov UZB dec Andrew Selby WAL 86-85
Mischa Aloyan RUS dec Chatchai Butdee THA 88-83
60KGS
Robson Conceicao BRA dec Domenico Valentino ITA 90-81
Lazaro Alvarez CUB dec Berik Abdrakhmanov KAZ 88-83
69KGS
Daniyar Eleusinov KAZ dec Arajk Marutyan ARM 90-81
Arinoides Despaigne CUB dec Gabriel Maestre VEN 90-80
81kgs
Adilan Niyazimbetov KAZ dec Oybek Mamazulonov UZB 90-79
Julio De La Cruz CUB dec Joe Ward IRE 90-81-MASTERCLASS
+91 Magomed Medshidov AZE dec Roberto Cammarelle ITA 85-84-FIGHT OF THE DAY
Ivan Dychko KAZ dec Erik Pfeiffer GER 89-82
Finals tomorrow on BBC from 9AM

[locoxelbox]

Great fights tonight but what a robbery of the home fighter Kairat Eraliyev, KAZ against Javid Chalabiyev AZE!!!!! After two rounds I thought the kazakh has to be the best boxer of the tournament. The final round was closer though he was still outboxing his opponent at times. When the split decision was announced nobody could believe it. What is it with these azerbaijani fighters getting so many wrong decisions??? The other day Teymur Mammadov won a highway robbery over Erislandy Savon and now this...
I belive AIBA wants Clemente Russo to win (WSB boxer) the 91 kg, then Savon had to lose because he would beat Russo. So to not upset the azerbaijans because both Mammadov and Medzhydov might lose, then another azerbaijan boxer had to win (even if it was against the kazakh). I can´t find an honest explanation to this and it makes me so disgusted.

[tflanagan5]

De La Cruz really outmoved Ward altough i think if Ward would have just applied relentless pressure and tried to rough him up and outmuscle him he could have won, he tried to beat him at his own game and De La Cruz is impossible to beat if you try to outbox him, tactics were all wrong but his only 19 and will definetly learn from this fight ,although i dont know if he will ever have the beatings of Cruz over 3 rounds. Doesnt look huge for the weight and doesnt look like he hits that hard but his speed is ridiculous he moves like a flyweight. His a great amatuer but i think he wouldnt make a great pro. Will be interesting to see if they meet in the wsb over 5 rounds. I'd put my house on Cruz winning gold. The Cuban welterweight Despaigne is probebly been my favorite boxer of the tournament stylewise, he slips punches brilliantly and is very fun to watch great body and head movement

[mike222]

Finals
49KG Birzhan Zhakipov KAZ dec Mohamed Flissi ALG 89-82
52KG Mischa Aloyan RUS dec Jasurbek Latipov UZB 86-85
56KG Cavid Chelebiyev AZE dec Vladimir Nikitin RUS 88-83
60KG Lazaro Alvarez CUB dec Robson Conceicao BRA 88-83
64KG Merey Akshalov KAZ dec Yasnier Toledo Lopez CUB 87-84
69KG Daniyar Eleusinov KAZ dec Arinoides Despaigne CUB 89-82
75KG Zhanibek Alimkhanuly KAZ dec Jason Quigley IRE 89-82
81KG Julio Cesar Da Cruz CUB dec Adilet Niyazimbetov KAZ 87-84
91KG Clemente Russo ITA dec Evgeniy Tishcenko RUS 87-84
+91KG Magomed Medshidov AZE TKO3 Ivan Dychko KAZ
Dychko was ahead on all three judges cards when he walked into two big rights that floored him

[ABC BOXING]

What kind of scoring was done? I see nothing but high numbers did they dump the n10 pt sustem?

[yu265545]

I saw Medzhidov's last two fights, Cammarelle and Dychko. He has some good skills and obviously has power. Being only 27, I can see him being a sought after pro following this tournament (maybe by K2 Promotions - both Vitaly and Wlad were in attendance). He supposedly has signed up for APB but they had said the same thing about Lomachenko and Falcao. I cannot see how APB will be able to pay him more than a non-AIBA promoter at heavyweight.

The Azeri's have been good at keeping their best fighters amateur (no doubt with massive secret payouts) so he certainly could stay with AIBA.

Lets see what happens with APB. First they announced it would begin in the fall of 2013. Then the exhibition bouts that were supposed to have happened have not come off which is a bad sign (not to mention embarrassing). They have so far failed to secure a single gold medallist from London, with 7 out of 10 turning pro outside of AIBA. Will they have the star power to secure TV revenue?

[ABC BOXING]

Can anyone tell me what type of scoring went on as far as I see 10 point system was thrown out the window. Is there a newer system and was this tournament without headgears?

[crusader]

Each round is scored on the 10 point system and the scores are summed at the end.

Example:

Round 1: 10-9
Round 2: 10-9
Round 3: 10-9
Total: 30-27

Assuming each judge scored the fight as such, you'd get 30-27 + 30-27 + 30-27 for a total of 90-81. While 5 judges score each bout, a computer randomly selects 3 of those judges and only their scores count.