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keithmoonhangover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Bowe could fight on the outside and on the inside. He's about 10 times more aggressive than the current version of Wladimir.

I agree with everything you say, but styles make fights and Wlad wins IMO.

I'd favor Wlad as well, but it'd be a hell of a handful for him compared to the guys he's fighting now. Bowe stopping him wouldn't shock me at all, but I think Wlad would be able to take a decision.

I think Bowe is the more skilled of the two, but his lack of discipline I think causes him lots of problems. If he's as prepared as he was for Holyfield 1, I figure he probably beats Wlad. I figure Wlad beats most other versions of Bowe though.

gilgamesh wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Bowe could fight on the outside and on the inside. He's about 10 times more aggressive than the current version of Wladimir.

I agree with everything you say, but styles make fights and Wlad wins IMO.

I'd favor Wlad as well, but it'd be a hell of a handful for him compared to the guys he's fighting now. Bowe stopping him wouldn't shock me at all, but I think Wlad would be able to take a decision.

I think Bowe is the more skilled of the two, but his lack of discipline I think causes him lots of problems. If he's as prepared as he was for Holyfield 1, I figure he probably beats Wlad. I figure Wlad beats most other versions of Bowe though.

So let me get this straight Keith: Wlad 'has the style' to beat all these kings, including beasts like Riddick Bowe, and yet Povetkin tomorrow beats Wlad?

So, Alex frickin' Povetkin in your opinion is one of, if not the, greatest heavyweight champions ever?

You have less sense than Keith Moon.

loaded_gloves wrote:So let me get this straight Keith: Wlad 'has the style' to beat all these kings, including beasts like Riddick Bowe, and yet Povetkin tomorrow beats Wlad?

So, Alex frickin' Povetkin in your opinion is one of, if not the, greatest heavyweight champions ever?

You have less sense than Keith Moon.

Povetkin won't win a round, he's just having fun with a long standing upset pick. Bowe at his best would beat Wlad & Povetkin on the same night.

loaded_gloves wrote:So let me get this straight Keith: Wlad 'has the style' to beat all these kings, including beasts like Riddick Bowe, and yet Povetkin tomorrow beats Wlad?

So, Alex frickin' Povetkin in your opinion is one of, if not the, greatest heavyweight champions ever?

You have less sense than Keith Moon.

Styles make fights. Povetkin beats Wlad, Wlad beats Bowe, Bowe beats Povetkin.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:So let me get this straight Keith: Wlad 'has the style' to beat all these kings, including beasts like Riddick Bowe, and yet Povetkin tomorrow beats Wlad?

So, Alex frickin' Povetkin in your opinion is one of, if not the, greatest heavyweight champions ever?

You have less sense than Keith Moon.

Styles make fights. Povetkin beats Wlad, Wlad beats Bowe, Bowe beats Povetkin.

loaded_gloves wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:So let me get this straight Keith: Wlad 'has the style' to beat all these kings, including beasts like Riddick Bowe, and yet Povetkin tomorrow beats Wlad?

So, Alex frickin' Povetkin in your opinion is one of, if not the, greatest heavyweight champions ever?

You have less sense than Keith Moon.

Styles make fights. Povetkin beats Wlad, Wlad beats Bowe, Bowe beats Povetkin.

We'll see if I know what I'm talking about tomorrow night. When Povetkin wins, are you going to apologise?

If Povetkin wins I'll change my user name to KeithMoonHangoverRules.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If Povetkin wins I'll change my user name to KeithMoonHangoverRules.

Deal. He's gonna win Saad, no question at all. The last time I was this convinced, it was Foreman-Moorer.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If Povetkin wins I'll change my user name to KeithMoonHangoverRules.

Deal. He's gonna win Saad, no question at all. The last time I was this convinced, it was Foreman-Moorer.

Ok, if you're so convinced what's your concession when he gets his ass whipped? Doesn't have to be as drastic since Wlad is the huge favorite.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:If Povetkin wins I'll change my user name to KeithMoonHangoverRules.

Deal. He's gonna win Saad, no question at all. The last time I was this convinced, it was Foreman-Moorer.

Ok, if you're so convinced what's your concession when he gets his ass whipped? Doesn't have to be as drastic since Wlad is the huge favorite.

I'll change my location on BoxRec to read 'Saad knows more about boxing than me.' for a whole week.

Keith, if Povfatkin whacks Wladimir tomorrow I will erect monuments to you, you will be my God.

If Povfatkin gobbles up jabs all night then retires on his stool after nine stultifying rounds I am sure in your mind he will instantly become a heavy favourite to KO Riddick Bowe, Sonny Liston, and Joe Louis.

loaded_gloves wrote:Keith, if Povfatkin whacks Wladimir tomorrow I will erect monuments to you, you will be my God.

If Povfatkin gobbles up jabs all night then retires on his stool after nine stultifying rounds I am sure in your mind he will instantly become a heavy favourite to KO Riddick Bowe, Sonny Liston, and Joe Louis.

If Povetkin loses, it'll be on a cut or DQ.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote: Deal. He's gonna win Saad, no question at all. The last time I was this convinced, it was Foreman-Moorer.

Ok, if you're so convinced what's your concession when he gets his ass whipped? Doesn't have to be as drastic since Wlad is the huge favorite.

I'll change my location on BoxRec to read 'Saad knows more about boxing than me.' for a whole week.

Cool, a week it is. I was willing to go forever.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

loaded_gloves wrote:Keith, if Povfatkin whacks Wladimir tomorrow I will erect monuments to you, you will be my God.

If Povfatkin gobbles up jabs all night then retires on his stool after nine stultifying rounds I am sure in your mind he will instantly become a heavy favourite to KO Riddick Bowe, Sonny Liston, and Joe Louis.

If Povetkin loses, it'll be by KO or a Shutout Decision.

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I can't even come up with a scenario where Wlad loses. Povetkin has pillow fists.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I can't even come up with a scenario where Wlad loses. Povetkin has pillow fists.

I can't either, that's why I said normally I would say anybody has a puncher's chance against Wlad. I don't think Povetkin even has that...and I don't see him winning any rounds at all. Not even 1.

If he wins a round or two he will have done WAY better than I thought he could.

This is just a high level mismatch.

As a bonus side bet, if Povetkin wins, I'll throw in an introduction to the one and only Billy Shears.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:As a bonus side bet, if Povetkin wins, I'll throw in an introduction to the one and only Billy Shears.

"What would you think if I sang out a tune would you stand up and walk out on me?"

Wlad favorite:
Charles
Walcott
Patterson
Johansson
L. Spinks
M. Spinks
Douglas
Moorer
Briggs
Rahman

Wlad underdog:
Louis
Marciano
Liston
Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis

Those saying Walcott is too small don't seem to realize Haye is not any bigger than Jersey Joe. And Walcott was 10 times the fighter Haye is.

Walcott was built like a piece of iron.

dempseyfire wrote:Those saying Walcott is too small don't seem to realize Haye is not any bigger than Jersey Joe. And Walcott was 10 times the fighter Haye is.

Guess is they haven't seen film on him. Walcott was a rock. Beat the shite out of Louis and Rocky M before getting caught and his KO of Charles was epic.

Mr E wrote:Wlad favorite:
Charles
Walcott
Patterson
Johansson
L. Spinks
M. Spinks
Douglas
Moorer
Briggs
Rahman

Wlad underdog:
Louis
Marciano
Liston
Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe
Lewis

I agree with this apart from Marciano being the favorite; I would go with Wlad in that fight.

giacomino wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Those saying Walcott is too small don't seem to realize Haye is not any bigger than Jersey Joe. And Walcott was 10 times the fighter Haye is.

Guess is they haven't seen film on him. Walcott was a rock. Beat the shite out of Louis and Rocky M before getting caught and his KO of Charles was epic.

Walcott was a great boxer.

Haye is considerably bigger than Walcott was in both height and lean mass. He's got three inches in height, four in reach, and 20lbs on the scales, almost certainly at a lower bodyfat percentage.

Haye lost convincingly against Wlad.