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hhaehre wrote:

ThatOne wrote: If he lost the biggest fight of his career why does every boxing historian of the last thirty five years have him rated #1 or #2?

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

Maybe it's because he beat three other top ten all time heavyweight greats, seven IBHOF inductees, four Olympic Gold Medalists, won the championship as a 7-1 underdog and won it again as a 3-1 underdog.

You just answered your own question but of course it does not change the fact that he lost the biggest fight of his career. As it turns out one can be rated as one of the best of all time and still lose the big one.

As the most prolific pornographer of the twentieth century and possibly this one as well said "Opinions are like assholes.Everybody has one" or if you want to be nice you can replace assholes with noses.

Joe evidently didn't think the first bout was dispositive. That why he agreed to a second and third one.

Muhammad Ali doesn't just belong to us. He belongs to the ages.

Il Duce wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

ThatOne wrote: If he lost the biggest fight of his career why does every boxing historian of the last thirty five years have him rated #1 or #2?

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

Maybe it's because he beat three other top ten all time heavyweight greats, seven IBHOF inductees, four Olympic Gold Medalists, won the championship as a 7-1 underdog and won it again as a 3-1 underdog.

You just answered your own question but of course it does not change the fact that he lost the biggest fight of his career. As it turns out one can be rated as one of the best of all time and still loose the big one.

Correct,

Tiger Woods hasn't won a 'Major Event' in years, and he's still ranked #1.

Your logic is flawed. We are discussing all time ratings...

ThatOne wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

ThatOne wrote: If he lost the biggest fight of his career why does every boxing historian of the last thirty five years have him rated #1 or #2?

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavylists.htm

Maybe it's because he beat three other top ten all time heavyweight greats, seven IBHOF inductees, four Olympic Gold Medalists, won the championship as a 7-1 underdog and won it again as a 3-1 underdog.

You just answered your own question but of course it does not change the fact that he lost the biggest fight of his career. As it turns out one can be rated as one of the best of all time and still lose the big one.

As the most prolific pornographer of the twentieth century and possibly this one as well said "Opinions are like assholes.Everybody has one" or if you want to be nice you can replace assholes with noses.

Joe evidently didn't think the first bout was dispositive. That why he agreed to a second and third one.

Muhammad Ali doesn't just belong to us. He belongs to the ages.

Happy now?

Il Duce wrote:Questions for Tony Perez

'Q' > Tony, why didn't you penalize Muhammad Ali at least 'once'.

'A' > I was under a lot of pressure.

'Q' > By whom.

'A' > I'd rather not say, but I have a family and a career to worry about.

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'Easy there fella's, look out for my hair.'

Tony, why did you abandon protocol and give one of the combatants in the ring a respite during a round instead of in between them?

Il Duce wrote:Questions for Tony Perez

'Q' > Tony, are you aware that Muhammad Ali initiated '213' holds.

'A' > I am aware of that.

'Q' > Are you aware that Muhammad Ali 'illegally cuffed' Joe Frazier '147' times.

'A' > Yes, but I was going to penalize him, if he did it just 'one' more time. I'm the boss in the Ring.

Touche

Il Duce wrote:I believe Tony Perez was afraid that he would be called a 'racist' by the Ali Camp
and the 'liberal' Newswriters had he properly penalized Muhammad Ali.

God Forbid, if Tony had 'Disqualified' Muhammad Ali,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

A 'DQ' was warranted in several Rounds.

Il Duce wrote:Hey Tony, what would it take for you to penalize Muhammad Ali just 'one point'.

'Just, don't touch the hair.'

Since you are so invested in having the last word I will let you have it unless you can come up with something that is new, interesting, and worthy of my pithy responses.

Happy now?

-hhaehre

I edited it...It wasn't nice what I did. You can go back and see it...I for one won't take myself too seriously on this board.

ThatOne wrote:

Happy now?

-hhaehre

I edited it...It wasn't nice what I did. You can go back and see it...I for one won't take myself too seriously on this board.

No worries

Il Duce wrote:Tony Perez

Hung his head in 'shame' after the bout.

The spectators in Madison Square Garden, many of the 21,000 in attendance had
boo'ed the Decision and jeered Muhammad Ali.

But it was Tony Perez that they wanted, by calling him 'foul' and disparaging names.

Tony was hurried out of the Ring, and to an Office with 'armed security' outside
the door, as well as being surrounded by New York's Finest.

"Get the Bastard", they screamed.

All I ask is for any reader of this thread is to click on the youtube and go to the 54:55 mark to see documentary evidence of Il Duce's perfidy and utter contempt for the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA4QACDXOY


I exposed your perfidy and lack of veracity for all the world to see...What do you have to say for yourself?

Il Duce wrote:'Now, that's what I'm talking about.'

Where's Tony ?

Warren Zevon........But his Hair was Perfect !

Did you really bother to put that together?

SMH

The KO in the Tua vs Ruiz bout happened very fast, I doubt hardly any referee would've been able to stop what happened. Cooney definitely got in a few unneeded shots against Norton though. With the Morrison vs Mercer stoppage it definitely went a bit longer than it should've, but considering Morrison was ahead in the bout it's somewhat understandable.

I never watched the other two bouts in question.

Wasn't Tua-Ruiz like 19 goddamn seconds? Unless Perez had a crystal ball, and stopped the bout beforehand, not sure what he could have done.

il duce is basically blaming Perez because a fast knockout happened in a boxing match.

In the case of the Jones-Griffin DQ, he's basically blaming Perez for not having the speed to stop a second punch by frigging Roy Jones jr., a weakness shared by every other person on the planet at the time.

Bobbyptsd wrote:Wasn't Tua-Ruiz like 19 goddamn seconds? Unless Perez had a crystal ball, and stopped the bout beforehand, not sure what he could have done.

il duce is basically blaming Perez because a fast knockout happened in a boxing match.

In the case of the Jones-Griffin DQ, he's basically blaming Perez for not having the speed to stop a second punch by frigging Roy Jones jr., a weakness shared by every other person on the planet at the time.

Yes it was very short. Ruiz came out threw about 3 jabs, and then got wobbled really bad by a left hook and knocked into the ropes, Ruiz then flailed with a few weak punches back at Tua while Tua landed about 3 or 4 full force shots putting Ruiz down and out. This all happened very fast, as you say only 19 seconds in.

I despised John Ruiz as I'm sure most Boxing fans did due to his boring ass style, so I've watched back this 19 second fight quite a few times as I enjoy seeing Ruiz get laid out like that.

Probably Tua's best victory considering that Ruiz would go on to be a successful albeit boring as hell Titleholder.

Il Duce wrote:It's the Holds-and-Clinches.

Forget about the other bouts.......

Hey Tony, how many illegal cuffs does it take to get penalized ?

'Just don't touch the hair, and you'll be fine Muhammad.'

"Forget about the other bouts?"

What? You brought up the other bouts! Hell, you spent a whole bunch of time making a damn image resuming your strange view on them, and now, because people see through what you're doing... "just forget them"? You went out of your way to bring them up!

You are full of shite about them, as you are full of shite about this one, and most everything else.

Bobbyptsd wrote:

Il Duce wrote:It's the Holds-and-Clinches.

Forget about the other bouts.......

Hey Tony, how many illegal cuffs does it take to get penalized ?

'Just don't touch the hair, and you'll be fine Muhammad.'

"Forget about the other bouts?"

What? You brought up the other bouts! Hell, you spent a whole bunch of time making a damn image resuming your strange view on them, and now, because people see through what you're doing... "just forget them"? You went out of your way to bring them up!

You are full of shite about them, as you are full of shite about this one, and most everything else.

Il Duce is to the truth what Madonna is to chastity.

Il Duce wrote:Center-Ring Pre-Fight Instructions

Tony Perez, "Are there any questions."

Eddie Futch, "I want to know what you are going to do about him hitting Joe with too many clean shots in a row, Il Duce says he's a little guy, and he's having trouble seeing and had a bad go with a guy named George not to long ago."

Tony Perez, "I will take care of that."

Angelo Dundee, "I want you to keep an eye on Joe, and if he starts to falter don't let my man take him out early, we want to go the distance here today.

Tony Perez, "I will enforce that rule."

Fixed!

BoxBuzz wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Center-Ring Pre-Fight Instructions

Tony Perez, "Are there any questions."

Eddie Futch, "I want to know what you are going to do about him hitting Joe with too many clean shots in a row, Il Duce says he's a little guy, and he's having trouble seeing and had a bad go with a guy named George not to long ago."

Tony Perez, "I will take care of that."

Angelo Dundee, "I want you to keep an eye on Joe, and if he starts to falter don't let my man take him out early, we want to go the distance here today.

Tony Perez, "I will enforce that rule."

Fixed!

Il Duce wrote: Why Dr. Box Buzz..................Doctoring someone else's post.

A typical move.......... from a 'Scum Bag' Second-Rate Doctor from a Sleepy New England Town.

Do you F*** all your patients as well,,,,,,,,,,, by changing another 'qualified' Doctor's diagnosis.

More comedic gold Duchess.

So, it's OK for you to make up 'quote' after 'quote' to fuel your fantasy, but you squeal like a stuck pig when you are administered a dose of Dr Buzz's patented bullshite cleanser?

Il Duce wrote: Those exact words were spoken at Center-Ring during Pre-Fight Instructions'.

Stop whining.

You sound like the boy who cried 'wolf'.

Any chance of some more Big Jim stories for us?

LOL

Il Duce wrote:Pick A Round

Tony Perez, "I will enforce the rules."

Round 1

{0:08} > Muhammad Ali grabs Joe Frazier, and pushes his neck down.

No Warning from Referee - Tony Perez.

That didn't last long did it.

Muhammad Ali, 'an unwashed, unclean man, covered with filth'.

As your trolling becomes more desperate all the denizens of BoxRec are embarrassed for you.


In fact Giancarlo even denies knowing you.

Il Duce wrote:That One went This Way :>

By the way, when was the last time you started a thread, 'Troll Face'.

I've counted, your last 307 posts have been on my threads.

If wasn't for me,,,,,,,,,,,,,you wouldn't exist.

Ask your Wife.........

Buzz just sent me an e-mail...He submitted your ramblings to a group of a psychiatrists and a ambulance will be arriving at your trailer soon to take you to the sanitarium.

Not true....

And furthermore...if he's going to an institution he's going on his own dime.

I don't want my tax money supporting his nonsense......any more than it already is.

BoxBuzz wrote:Not true....

And furthermore...if he's going to an institution he's going on his own dime.

I don't want my tax money supporting his nonsense......any more than it already is.

It's run by a not for profit.