Roy 'Tiger' Williams 'Lumps Up' Muhammad Ali

[Robinson]

So in essence that would make Dunn the better fighter.

A big factor of fighting is motivation. Regardless of the
on paper talents and attributes, if a fighters mental game
or ability to adapt their gym talents to the conditions of
actual combat is poor as seems to be the case here
it sadly detracts from them as a fighter.

On another note

Retrospectively saying
'I would have won if I was' a. more motivated,
b.really wanted to win or c. better prepared mentally

are very easily said and change the fact...fighting
as I am sure you know are about what happens
on the night and behind every 'L' is usually a
hard luck story and found within most 'W's
are impressive circumstances. Narrative can be found
in every outcome. Sadly it matters little to our records
or our legacy :(

[BoxBuzz]

OPINIONS

I guess acccording to the World of Box Buzz, you can't have an opinion on Muhammad Ali
losing.

I'll take Roy 'Tiger' Williams in early 1975 over ''Fat Turkey' Muhammad Ali.

He already kicked his 'ass' twice in March 1975, so much so that he was asked to leave the Camp.

Word also had it out of the N'Sele Training Center in Kinshasa - in September 1974 that Roy Williams
had no trouble slapping Muhammad around.

Roy was under 'orders', do not punch Muhammad in the head after one brutal session on October 1974.

Aye yi yi yi yi......

You can have any opinion you want.....diversity is celebrated. Yours are some of the most diverse around. Please express them as you wish. My point which you always take pride in ignoring is simply that a fighter trains with a fight plan for each opponent. If he took Wepner too lightly then fine. He should have been more alert to the ol' toe steppin'. He really did beat the tar out of the man regardless of your skewed perspective.

But in YOUR scenario he would be training for Roy....and he would very likely beat Roy. Because the intended target would different.

You tap at keys nicely....you put words together. Your output lines seem fine. I just can't get a reliable reading on if your input lines have been properly serviced.

[Robinson]

Mr. Robinson

Good points, and all are well taken.

But, some fighter's who get 'jerked around' by promised bouts that are cancelled, and
poor fight purse's, are usually good for a bad performance, or two, or three.

Roy Williams had numerous streaks of inactivity, due to the difficulty in getting decent
opponents.
* 18-Months
* 6-Months
* 8-Months
* 7-Months
* 6-Months
* 7-Months
* 5-Months

The story of my life :)


This is why I have always enjoyed and had a soft spot for a fighter like Jesse Fergusson,
a guy who was always in and out, about and around the top but was never consistent
nor too far from giving good guys a hard night.

Perhaps Roy Williams was like this, just in a very dense period of big men boxing.

[BoxBuzz]

Here is a far more accurate assessment of this drama.........Il Duce's version is more intriguing...but sometimes truth is a bit bland......

Ted, accordingly to Larry Holmes, Williams fight with Henry Clark was cancelled which was scheduled on the undercard of Ali-Foreman.

I believe the cancellation was due to Ali arriving at the arena late and Williams-Clark was to be the walk-out bout.

In any event Williams hounded Ali for the money from his cancelled bout and got pretty nasty with Ali at his camp calling him out and challenging him to a fight. Ali responded by fighting two back to back 10 round fights in two days with Williams I believe with no headgear. According to Holmes, Ali and Williams went to war.

Bottom line is Ali made Williams earn the money and ended up paying him for the canceled Clark fight.

The story can be found in Larry's autobiography which I have read but do not have a copy to reference.