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BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Would you agree that it's harder for non-American fighters to be accepted by American fight fans?

Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello
Manny Pacquiao
Julio Cesar Chavez
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Salvador Sanchez
Kostya Tszyu
Azumah Nelson
Naseem Hamed
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales

The list could go on for pages.

All in all that statement is fuckin bull shiit.

Nice list, but my question wasn't which fighter have been accepted. I asked if it's harder to be accepted.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Would you agree that it's harder for non-American fighters to be accepted by American fight fans?

Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello
Manny Pacquiao
Julio Cesar Chavez
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Salvador Sanchez
Kostya Tszyu
Azumah Nelson
Naseem Hamed
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales

The list could go on for pages.

All in all that statement is fuckin bull shiit.

Nice list, but my question wasn't which fighter have been accepted. I asked if it's harder to be accepted.

No

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No

That's just plain stupid. Of course it's harder. Most of their fights aren't in the states, so how is it not? It's a nit like saying Jonathon Banks found it as easy in Germany as Axel Shultz did.

BarryWashington wrote:For the average Fighters : obviously.

For the successful/elite : nope

The Klitschkos are successful, but boring and aren't on American TV all the time. If they were American, they would be. If you can't see that, you are blind.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No

That's just plain stupid. Of course it's harder. Most of their fights aren't in the states, so how is it not? It's a nit like saying Jonathon Banks found it as easy in Germany as Axel Shultz did.

BarryWashington wrote:Please . . shut the fvck up

What a polite way to talk to someone. Especially after you post another list of boxers and not bothered even attempting to discuss the Klitschkos.

BarryWashington wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Would you agree that it's harder for non-American fighters to be accepted by American fight fans?

That was the original question to which you have now changed it to just the Klitschkos

No. My original questions was 'I wonder how people would think of Wlad and Vitali, if they were African Americans?'

BarryWashington wrote:They would be even less successful than they are now

Why do you think that?

BarryWashington wrote:If in this hypothetical situation they have the same exact boxing style and the same exact personality then it would not be well received by the American culture. And they would generate less income.

What a load of bollocks.

BarryWashington wrote:If in this hypothetical situation they have the same exact boxing style and the same exact personality then it would not be well received by the American culture. And they would generate less income.

agree with boxing style, disagree with
personality.

BarryWashington wrote:Big George is heavily underrated in terms of skill-set.

his first coming seemed one dimensional
to me. power and intimidation. lack of
defensive sill. i found his food work not
effective and he was unable to make
adjustments when plan A didn't work. he
was lucky with lyle - a fight that totally
lacked skill IMO.

Underrated: Michael Spinks

TheWigwam wrote:Underrated: Michael Spinks

Mike Tyson is very underrated on BOTP.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You're one of the ones that underrate him.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You're one of the ones that underrate him.

I rate him perfectly, you're just a nuthugger.

Ezzard wrote:

man wrote: i admit my defeat.

There's no doubt that boxers today are primed physically in a way they didn't used to be. I'm not saying its better or worse. But whenever I ask who has the fastest hands in boxing history other than Ali, Floyd Patterson and Robinson everyone else listed will be form the last 20 years or so... .

No, that's because most people don't know much about prior generations and the more recent fighters are in their minds.

I'd put the handspeed of Kid Gavilan, Johnny Bratton, Barney Ross, Ike Williams, Bob Satterfield etc. up there with any current fighters. The conditioning was also superior back then as well.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

You're one of the ones that underrate him.

I rate him perfectly, you're just a nuthugger.

That just goes to show how little you know and how judgemental/childish you are.

I'm not a Tyson fan, I was and always will be a Holyfield fan and was picking Evander for Tyson fight, which Buster sabotaged.

My rating of fighters has nothing to do with how I feel about them.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
You're one of the ones that underrate him.

I rate him perfectly, you're just a nuthugger.

That just goes to show how little you know and how judgemental/childish you are.

I'm not a Tyson fan, I was and always will be a Holyfield fan and was picking Evander for Tyson fight, which Buster sabotaged.

My rating of fighters has nothing to do with how I feel about them.

And yet you obsess over my every word or emoticon.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No

That's just plain stupid. Of course it's harder. Most of their fights aren't in the states, so how is it not? It's a nit like saying Jonathon Banks found it as easy in Germany as Axel Shultz did.

You forget the Klitschko relocated to the states in 2003, but Vitali eventually retired and Wlad went back to Germany after stinking out his HBO contract with atrocious fights, especially his appearance at Madison Square Garden vs Ibragimov. I was at that fight. By the 6th round Ukranians who had begun the fight cheering for him were booing him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:And yet you obsess over my every word or emoticon.

What the fvck are you on?

Do you know why there are so few posters on BOTP?

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:And yet you obsess over my every word or emoticon.

What the fvck are you on?

Do you know why there are so few posters on BOTP?

I'm not strung out on pain killers. That would be you, junkie.

dempseyfire wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No

That's just plain stupid. Of course it's harder. Most of their fights aren't in the states, so how is it not? It's a nit like saying Jonathon Banks found it as easy in Germany as Axel Shultz did.

You forget the Klitschko relocated to the states in 2003, but Vitali eventually retired and Wlad went back to Germany after stinking out his HBO contract with atrocious fights, especially his appearance at Madison Square Garden vs Ibragimov. I was at that fight. By the 6th round Ukranians who had begun the fight cheering for him were booing him.

I hadn't forgotten mate. Wlad is a dull fighter, but so are plenty of other fighters. America is the centre of the boxing world, in terms of big fights and revenue. If the Klitschkos were American and #1 and #2 in the world, they'd be like the Williams sisters of boxing.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:And yet you obsess over my every word or emoticon.

What the fvck are you on?

Do you know why there are so few posters on BOTP?

I'm not strung out on pain killers. That would be you, junkie.

Ooh. Getting really personal now, with a hint of hatred. Is that the best you can come up with?