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Kilburn wrote:I have to say that Groves seems to be "dining out" on the opinion that this was some kind of complete whitewash up to the dodgy 9th round stoppage. It certainly was no whitewash.

TheCobra wrote:I just rewatched Froch v Groves properly for the first time since Saturday, I've watched snippets before but last night was the first time I sat down and really watched it all the way through with the SKy commentary, having been there on the night.

All I can say is wow, ridiculous.

Commentary - Absolutely ridiculously one-sided, They've picked out Groves as their winner from the opening moments of Round 1. NOTHING Froch did was acknowledged, I've seen this happen before on Sky and it frustrates the life out of me.

Scorecard, here is mine:

Round 1 - Groves 10-8

Round 2 - Groves 10-9
Close round actually, Froch recovered well from the KD and got back into things but Watt/Halling are just ooooooh Groves is soooooo fast and sooooo gooood.

Round 3 Froch 10-9
Close again, this time Froch landing a few decent jabs and power shots, Froch's work again completely ifgnored by the Scottish rat and his sidekick

Round 4 - Groves 10-9
Groves landed some decent power shots and took this round, apparently off some things I read Froch was really wobbled in this round and struggling, so I looked for that and didn't really see anything like that.

Round 5 - Froch 10-9
Clear Froch round, beating Groves to the punch several times, landing jabs and power shots, according to Jim Watt this was REALLY close and the amazing Groves just lost it, Froch's first round on Watt's card and only then given grudgingly.

Round 6 - Groves 10-9
Good round for Groves, landing big shots and getting back to his best type of work in the fight. Cue orgasm from Jim Watt.

Round 7 - Groves 10-9
Another Groves round, but he's starting to look a little bit more tired, starting to plant his feet more and engage with Froch.

Round 8 - Froch 10-9
The round that swung the fight for me, close enough round but Froch starting to land his power more often and hurt Groves, groves starting to look ragged and losing his form.

Round 9
The finishing round, Froch landing power and big, looking mean and surging for a finish, Sky commentating that Groves is ragged, on his way out, then totally change their mind when they realise george has been stopped. A preamture stoppage no doubt, but the Scottish one again can't give Froch much credit.

Overall score going into Round 9
Groves 77-74 Froch

So Groves winning by 3 points going into Round 9, a round which he was losing soundly, so he'd be 2 points ahead with 3 rounds to go IF he'd survived - looking ragged and Froch coming on strong.

Overall conclusion - people have been very harsh to Froch in the aftermath of this one! The one-sided commentary on Sky certainly won't have helped public perceptions.

Commentary in US can be quite good, they usually call the fight a lot more, saying who's landed etc, UK commentary seems to be just pick a side and stick with it and ignore the other guy and anything he lands. Time to get rid of the Scottish blinkered one and his laughable sidekick Halling who offers nothing.

TheCobra wrote:I just rewatched Froch v Groves properly for the first time since Saturday, I've watched snippets before but last night was the first time I sat down and really watched it all the way through with the SKy commentary, having been there on the night.

All I can say is wow, ridiculous.

Commentary - Absolutely ridiculously one-sided, They've picked out Groves as their winner from the opening moments of Round 1. NOTHING Froch did was acknowledged, I've seen this happen before on Sky and it frustrates the life out of me.

Scorecard, here is mine:

Round 1 - Groves 10-8

Round 2 - Groves 10-9
Close round actually, Froch recovered well from the KD and got back into things but Watt/Halling are just ooooooh Groves is soooooo fast and sooooo gooood.

Round 3 Froch 10-9
Close again, this time Froch landing a few decent jabs and power shots, Froch's work again completely ifgnored by the Scottish rat and his sidekick

Round 4 - Groves 10-9
Groves landed some decent power shots and took this round, apparently off some things I read Froch was really wobbled in this round and struggling, so I looked for that and didn't really see anything like that.

Round 5 - Froch 10-9
Clear Froch round, beating Groves to the punch several times, landing jabs and power shots, according to Jim Watt this was REALLY close and the amazing Groves just lost it, Froch's first round on Watt's card and only then given grudgingly.

Round 6 - Groves 10-9
Good round for Groves, landing big shots and getting back to his best type of work in the fight. Cue orgasm from Jim Watt.

Round 7 - Groves 10-9
Another Groves round, but he's starting to look a little bit more tired, starting to plant his feet more and engage with Froch.

Round 8 - Froch 10-9
The round that swung the fight for me, close enough round but Froch starting to land his power more often and hurt Groves, groves starting to look ragged and losing his form.

Round 9
The finishing round, Froch landing power and big, looking mean and surging for a finish, Sky commentating that Groves is ragged, on his way out, then totally change their mind when they realise george has been stopped. A preamture stoppage no doubt, but the Scottish one again can't give Froch much credit.

Overall score going into Round 9
Groves 77-74 Froch

So Groves winning by 3 points going into Round 9, a round which he was losing soundly, so he'd be 2 points ahead with 3 rounds to go IF he'd survived - looking ragged and Froch coming on strong.

Overall conclusion - people have been very harsh to Froch in the aftermath of this one! The one-sided commentary on Sky certainly won't have helped public perceptions.

Commentary in US can be quite good, they usually call the fight a lot more, saying who's landed etc, UK commentary seems to be just pick a side and stick with it and ignore the other guy and anything he lands. Time to get rid of the Scottish blinkered one and his laughable sidekick Halling who offers nothing.

davie wrote:

TheCobra wrote:I just rewatched Froch v Groves properly for the first time since Saturday, I've watched snippets before but last night was the first time I sat down and really watched it all the way through with the SKy commentary, having been there on the night.

All I can say is wow, ridiculous.

Commentary - Absolutely ridiculously one-sided, They've picked out Groves as their winner from the opening moments of Round 1. NOTHING Froch did was acknowledged, I've seen this happen before on Sky and it frustrates the life out of me.

Scorecard, here is mine:

Round 1 - Groves 10-8

Round 2 - Groves 10-9
Close round actually, Froch recovered well from the KD and got back into things but Watt/Halling are just ooooooh Groves is soooooo fast and sooooo gooood.

Round 3 Froch 10-9
Close again, this time Froch landing a few decent jabs and power shots, Froch's work again completely ifgnored by the Scottish rat and his sidekick

Round 4 - Groves 10-9
Groves landed some decent power shots and took this round, apparently off some things I read Froch was really wobbled in this round and struggling, so I looked for that and didn't really see anything like that.

Round 5 - Froch 10-9
Clear Froch round, beating Groves to the punch several times, landing jabs and power shots, according to Jim Watt this was REALLY close and the amazing Groves just lost it, Froch's first round on Watt's card and only then given grudgingly.

Round 6 - Groves 10-9
Good round for Groves, landing big shots and getting back to his best type of work in the fight. Cue orgasm from Jim Watt.

Round 7 - Groves 10-9
Another Groves round, but he's starting to look a little bit more tired, starting to plant his feet more and engage with Froch.

Round 8 - Froch 10-9
The round that swung the fight for me, close enough round but Froch starting to land his power more often and hurt Groves, groves starting to look ragged and losing his form.

Round 9
The finishing round, Froch landing power and big, looking mean and surging for a finish, Sky commentating that Groves is ragged, on his way out, then totally change their mind when they realise george has been stopped. A preamture stoppage no doubt, but the Scottish one again can't give Froch much credit.

Overall score going into Round 9
Groves 77-74 Froch

So Groves winning by 3 points going into Round 9, a round which he was losing soundly, so he'd be 2 points ahead with 3 rounds to go IF he'd survived - looking ragged and Froch coming on strong.

Overall conclusion - people have been very harsh to Froch in the aftermath of this one! The one-sided commentary on Sky certainly won't have helped public perceptions.

Commentary in US can be quite good, they usually call the fight a lot more, saying who's landed etc, UK commentary seems to be just pick a side and stick with it and ignore the other guy and anything he lands. Time to get rid of the Scottish blinkered one and his laughable sidekick Halling who offers nothing.

I agree with the majority of your post.
Watt is rubbish, incapable of changing tack and sometimes biased in his commentary. I'd have binned him years ago.

But please stop making reference to his nationality. It has zero relevance to his ability (or lack of) as a commentator.
And as a jock it kind of grates on me that you've repeatedly refered to him as the scottish one/rat/nutcase as if it has any relevance to the point your making

I'm not going to be that arsehole that plays the r..... card. But please dont keep making reference to his nationality, it's got eff all to do with it
froch has made a cock of himself throughout last weekends broadcast and i've repeatedly called him a cock on here. At no time has he been an english cock!

TheCobra wrote:Just one more point, look at Groves face bruising and body reddening up throughout the fight. Froch was landing and hurting Groves in quite a few rounds, from the Sky Commentary you'd think Groves just gave out a one-sided boxing lesson to Froch, winning every round and that the stoppage was just a random unexpected event at the end.

Froch is tentative x 50
Froch can't land his jab x 100
ooooh groves that was was class x 1000

Evander wrote: It was fixed just tell it the way it is.
Watching some in British Boxing scrambling to cover it up is just plain shameful.
We got Darren Barker coming up soon, dont worry they have a rematch clause in the contract to fight back in the U.K so you'll be able to fix that one too if it doesnt go your way,

Quix wrote:

TheCobra wrote:Just one more point, look at Groves face bruising and body reddening up throughout the fight. Froch was landing and hurting Groves in quite a few rounds, from the Sky Commentary you'd think Groves just gave out a one-sided boxing lesson to Froch, winning every round and that the stoppage was just a random unexpected event at the end.

Froch is tentative x 50
Froch can't land his jab x 100
ooooh groves that was was class x 1000

This is what i pointed out on the night of the fight and was derided for it. I agree with a lot you are saying. I too noticed that all of Froch's work was ignored, whilst the commentary team, Watt in particular was going way overboard about Groves. I had Groves four rounds ahead when the fight was stoppped and it was a premature finish in my eyes. But as you say, look at Groves' face !! It's clear that Froch was connecting a lot earlier than people realised. The problem is mate, that unlike you, most people call themselves "independants" who just wanted to see a good fight. The reality is that people either wanted Froch to win or Groves, as was the case with the commentary team, who were obviously pro Groves. If you like Froch then you will justfiy the stoppage, play down the beating he took and narrow the scorecards. If you like Groves, the stoppage will be all wrong, he would have out classed Froch all night long and looked invincible and world class to boot, a certain world champion denied by a bent or stupid referee. It's so predictable really lol.

TheCobra wrote:

Quix wrote:

TheCobra wrote:Just one more point, look at Groves face bruising and body reddening up throughout the fight. Froch was landing and hurting Groves in quite a few rounds, from the Sky Commentary you'd think Groves just gave out a one-sided boxing lesson to Froch, winning every round and that the stoppage was just a random unexpected event at the end.

Froch is tentative x 50
Froch can't land his jab x 100
ooooh groves that was was class x 1000

This is what i pointed out on the night of the fight and was derided for it. I agree with a lot you are saying. I too noticed that all of Froch's work was ignored, whilst the commentary team, Watt in particular was going way overboard about Groves. I had Groves four rounds ahead when the fight was stoppped and it was a premature finish in my eyes. But as you say, look at Groves' face !! It's clear that Froch was connecting a lot earlier than people realised. The problem is mate, that unlike you, most people call themselves "independants" who just wanted to see a good fight. The reality is that people either wanted Froch to win or Groves, as was the case with the commentary team, who were obviously pro Groves. If you like Froch then you will justfiy the stoppage, play down the beating he took and narrow the scorecards. If you like Groves, the stoppage will be all wrong, he would have out classed Froch all night long and looked invincible and world class to boot, a certain world champion denied by a bent or stupid referee. It's so predictable really lol.

Yeh, I follow british boxing, I was a groves fan going up to the fight but have followed Froch for years so obviously was swaying towards him to win, I wanted a good fight as much as anyone and was annoyed at the stoppage, all I've asked is a bit more balance in the arguments.

Some people don't seem to be able to view things with any balance, it's just all or nothing.